E=mc2....the laws of physics....consciousness

Ameriscot said:
My husband has a degree in physics. He says he sometimes dreams about formulas etc. He tries to explain it to me but I tell him my brain is full! :D
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Glad to learn a bit more about him. Was he perhaps your reason for living over there? No prying, mind you, curious, but none of my business (or anyone else's). I would like to ask him if he has considered the physics of the activity going on during the fermentation within those beer kegs! imp
 

chic said:
The opposite of order is not chaos, it's randomness. Is randomness chaotic? No. It's just less predictable. What is normal to the spider is chaos to the fly.

Consciousness is not necessary for the passage of time to occur, only one's awareness that time is passing. I agree with Underock1. It's the tree in the forest question again and of course the tree makes a sound because the laws of physics are not subject to the presence or absence of man. It would be pompous to think so.

Good thread though.
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Chic, chaos, per se, is no longer the single-definition concept we once thought it was. Chaos theory is now successfully used to study and define, of all things, the movement of those individual muscle cells in the human heart, as I mentioned. The result? New understanding of Atrial Fibrillation, or uncontrolled fluttering of the heart muscle. Science finds a way.......imp
 
Unprecedented Proof of my Deranged position

Never was moved to answer so many posts fueled by only one beer, er.....coffee. The references to "time" got me whirling. We all know that a given event occurring at a given place, is a discrete thing happening during the passing of "time", like a guy filling his gas tank on the corner of Las Vegas Blvd. and Sahara Ave.

Science is now real close to proving that under certain circumstances the exact same given event can be occurring simultaneously at two locations far apart from each other, even millions of light-years apart in time.

It's called "Worm Hole Theory". (Gulp). :lost:


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imp said:
As both a lunatic (deserving of special consideration), and deranged (entitled nowadays to free help), I COULD be offended by this. :rolleyes:

Thinkin' about it, anyway, ......imp
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And exactly HOW would you be offended?

Lunatics are no longer placed in asylums, so no special consideration. Deranged? I had that for breakfast.

Sorry - my flag remains at full staff.
 
imp said:
Chic, chaos, per se, is no longer the single-definition concept we once thought it was. Chaos theory is now successfully used to study and define, of all things, the movement of those individual muscle cells in the human heart, as I mentioned. The result? New understanding of Atrial Fibrillation, or uncontrolled fluttering of the heart muscle. Science finds a way.......imp
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One of my favorite models is Brownian movements - like when you watch dust motes in a sunny windows. They dance!

But not totally chaotically - they have a rhythm, if only you can discern it.
 
imp said:
Glad to learn a bit more about him. Was he perhaps your reason for living over there? No prying, mind you, curious, but none of my business (or anyone else's). I would like to ask him if he has considered the physics of the activity going on during the fermentation within those beer kegs! imp
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I don't mind sharing. I met him online in 1999 and married him in 2000. I had an interest in living in Ireland or UK and got very lucky to meet the right man.

He says he doesn't think so much about the physics of the brewing but the biology of the yeast and the oxygen and the sugars, etc.
 
Einstein said time was the 4th dimension, so could conscious humans aware of the passage of time and the 4th dimesnsion reverse time through metaphysics?
Sadly Einstein, who believed the universe was losing order to randomness, died before he could expound on the dimension of time except to conclude that if a human travels at the speed of light, time stands still for that individual.
 
I believe the current thinking is that people can travel back in time but not forward - the science escapes me but I'm pretty sure that's what I read.
 
chic said:
Einstein said time was the 4th dimension, so could conscious humans aware of the passage of time and the 4th dimesnsion reverse time through metaphysics?
Sadly Einstein, who believed the universe was losing order to randomness, died before he could expound on the dimension of time except to conclude that if a human travels at the speed of light, time stands still for that individual.
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I am not a fan of metaphysics or even philosophy for that matter. Way too much time spent trying to define the meanings of words. The brain is truly amazing and mental processes are still largely unknown but, Yuri Geller not withstanding, I do not see it capable of moving a physical body through thought. I don't think anyone's going anywhere.
 
SifuPhil said:
I believe the current thinking is that people can travel back in time but not forward - the science escapes me but I'm pretty sure that's what I read.
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I used to think that you could look back into the past if you could get to a point where the light given off from an event had not yet traveled. I think that idea may have been discredited now. Should check some of this stuff out, but getting lazy in my old age.
 
Underock1 said:
I am not a fan of metaphysics or even philosophy for that matter. Way too much time spent trying to define the meanings of words. The brain is truly amazing and mental processes are still largely unknown but, Yuri Geller not withstanding, I do not see it capable of moving a physical body through thought. I don't think anyone's going anywhere.
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Perhaps not in the way you envision, but it HAS been scientifically proven that a person can regulate certain physiological functions - breathing, pulse, blood pressure, etc. - by mind alone.

If you think metaphysics is hung up on words you should take a gander at a scientific paper or two - they're positively OCD compared to metaphysics.
 
Underock1 said:
I used to think that you could look back into the past if you could get to a point where the light given off from an event had not yet traveled. I think that idea may have been discredited now. Should check some of this stuff out, but getting lazy in my old age.
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Such as looking at stars?
 
Scientific proof of God

E=MC[SUP]2[/SUP]

This most cited and powerful equation is also, ironically, one that causes all of G_d's earthly creation to be seconds away from complete annihilation at any moment in time, as it was the source of the secret of the power of the atom and the development of the atomic bomb.

Here's the E=MC[SUP]2[/SUP] math and the Theology, all rolled up into one:

Step One: Add all of the matter on Earth and contained in the rest of G_d's creation, 100 billion galaxies, each with about 100 billion stars, Step Two: Multiply that amount of Matter by the speed of light,
Step Three: Square that number ...

and then understand that every gram of that incalculable amount of matter has the energy of a Hiroshima nuclear bomb.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/albert-einstein-and-the-s_b_800936.html
 
I'm one step away from annihilation regardless. Don't need 100 billion galaxies. Just have to stub my toe and hit my head on the floor. Oh well. :coffee:
 
So you so you had better let the good times roll while you can, just don't walk on uneven surfaces...;)
 
SifuPhil said:
Perhaps not in the way you envision, but it HAS been scientifically proven that a person can regulate certain physiological functions - breathing, pulse, blood pressure, etc. - by mind alone.

If you think metaphysics is hung up on words you should take a gander at a scientific paper or two - they're positively OCD compared to metaphysics.
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The mind can do amazing things. The brain and body are inextricably connected, each affecting each other in many ways. No doubt about it. I know that there is much debate over what constitutes thought, consciousness, mind, etc. I see them all as being purely physical processes or the result of physical processes. I grant you that scientific papers are saturated with multi syllabic words, mostly in Latin or German making them inaccessible in many cases. They do have exact meanings related to measurable physical processes. Metaphysics and philosophy are dealing with much more nebulous subjects difficult to describe so the discussions tend to get bogged down in disagreeing over what a particular word means.
I expected a bigger blow back from you, Phil. I know metaphysics is or at some point has been a big thing to you.
Its not for me, but I must qualify that by saying I have only looked at it from the outside.
 
Underock1 said:
I am not a fan of metaphysics or even philosophy for that matter. Way too much time spent trying to define the meanings of words. The brain is truly amazing and mental processes are still largely unknown but, Yuri Geller not withstanding, I do not see it capable of moving a physical body through thought. I don't think anyone's going anywhere.
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Oh, everybody is gong somewhere...Even standing still, you're traveling at a mind boggling speed. The earth spins at 1,500 kilometers per hour...it goes around the sun at 100,000 kilometers per hour...and our solar system travels through the galaxy at 500,000,000 miles per hour. Is it any wonder everybody is so dizzy?

I like your comment on the brain...I think our thoughts travel at the speed of light....and once we are able to use the full potential of our brain, I think we may be able to line up all our atoms on a thought beam, and transport ourselves where ever we want to be in an instant. That may be the answer to time travel.
 
Ralphy1 said:
So you so you had better let the good times roll while you can, just don't walk on uneven surfaces...;)
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Every step is an adventure, but I do have wall to wall carpeting. I think the good times rolled under the bed some where and I can't get down there to find them.
 

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