Elder people face eviction and homelessness

Vida May said:
Property owners will say the laws favor the renters. Jeni seems to be opposed to recognizing special needs and we do have many different special needs populations. Where I live there is special housing for different groups, physically disabled, mentally disabled, elderly, and we finally are getting it together for dealing with the chronic homeless population.

We are humans and we have different problems and different needs. I am not Christian and I do not believe there is a God who takes care of people. If we are to have a civilization it is up to humans to take care of each other. The US is lagging behind other nations when it comes to social concerns.

However, in the 1960's when John Kennedy was in office we passed the Older Americans Act that did recognize the needs of older people and did declare older people are entitled to basic things. This is not a one way, give services to the elderly. It is also very much about keeping the elderly involved and actively engaged in society and giving them the opportunity to contribute to society.

We are entitled to housing, food, education, and transportation.
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Gee, I am only entitled to what I can afford to pay for. And this seems to be true for most folks. Severely disabled excepted..
 

Buckeye said:
Gee, I am only entitled to what I can afford to pay for. And this seems to be true for most folks. Severely disabled excepted..
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The Administration on Aging​

The Older Americans Act created the Administration on Aging, the main federal agency tasked with carrying out the objectives of the Act. The Administration on Aging provides services and programs designed to help aging individuals live independent lives in their homes and communities. Perhaps the most well-known of these programs is the communal and home delivered meals program, sometimes referred to as "Meals on Wheels." In addition to meals, this program focuses on health and nutrition education.

The Administration's Office of Elder Rights Protection focuses on protecting older individuals from elder abuse, neglect, and exploitation through strategic planning and research. The Long-Term Care Ombudsman Program provides full-time ombudsmen, or public advocates, to help represent the interests of people in long-term care environments, such as assisted living facilities. Finally, the OAA funds employment and training programs for low-income, unemployed people 55 years old and above, which has helped more than 1 million participants enter or re-enter the workforce.

https://www.findlaw.com/elder/what-is-elder-law/what-is-the-older-americans-act.html
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This act led to senior centers and low-income housing for people over 55 or in some places 62. We can audit college classes for free if there is room in the class. We can ride the bus for free. I am a senior companion and get a stipend of $3.00 an hour to visit with seniors and, take them places. For a year I was a foster grandparent and that is a school volunteer program. The Senior Companion Program and Foster Grandparent Program are for both the people served and the low-income seniors who get a stipend. One of the most popular programs is seniors mentoring people who are starting a business.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
I believe the problem is "Uncle Charlie's" ability to keep his apartment livable. If he can't, it's not really the property manager's burden to clean Chalie's place. There's only two choices- get someone to clean the place or put Chalie in a home. If he can't do either, he's out on the street. That's the economic reality of the situation.
I was in a nursing home> I'm back in my own home now, but I don't know what to do if my savings ran out while i was in the nursing home.
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What if you were uncle Charley? I am very worried about my 94-year-old friend who is in an independent living community, that provides meals and some cleaning because her funds could run out, and the idea of her being on the streets is totally unacceptable to me!

At 11 I will help a friend who is in her 80 and showing signs of dementia. Her kitchen absolutely has to be cleaned! I hope to get glass bottles out of her apartment and put them in recycling today! That kind of hoarding is a sign of dementia. I pray once her kitchen is under control she will get the rest of her apartment done.

The gentleman I have been helping has made great strides forward. He started throwing away stuff that seriously needed to be thrown away. Sometimes when people are overwhelmed, a little bit of help can get them back on track.

For one friend, all I had to do for her was sit in her living room for an hour while she organized a paper mess. I think I need to find another hour for her. I suspect her problem is more one of loneliness and depression. That seems to be something all the 70-year-olds I help are dealing with as well as signs of dementia.

One of my dear friends was very refined and at one time taught a college class, and I think she died in her car because I lost contact with her. She made the mistake of living with a man without marriage, and when he died she lost everything! She was trying to live on $400 a month which meant being homeless when she could not find work and at her age, there were not many jobs and when covid hit, there were no jobs for her. I would have taken her into my home if I could have, but I rent and would have been evicted.
 

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Jeni said:
the headline says clearly.... COULD be ... that is NOT solid diagnosis......
No one wants to see someone on the street or displaced.... the issues at hand is being Proactive not reactive..... Many refuse to take help early on ... do not think they have a problem ..... only when in crisis then it must be dealt with..
The decisions made with a looming time limit or last minute are Often not the best ones possible..... getting services sometimes takes a month or two etc


looking for or evaluating services and options should be done with a clear head instead of after a warning or worse yet an eviction notice....

If people want to help way before needed a back up plan should be explored .... is there family ? is there people who can pair up? what options are out there for x amount of money?

I have said to a few people "oh i heard Jane has had this issue ...have you thought about what you would do in her shoes?" A few then really examined what ifs ....
BUT far too many still stubborn think too bad that will never happen to me because they do not recognize themselves in the picture ....
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Thank you and that is why I have said, property managers of complexes for the elderly should have some training in gerontology, so they would have the information needed to help the renters and a perspective that is helpful, not judgmental. The need for help should be expected and the management should know what to do when that is needed.

My 94-year-old friend is paying 3 times the rent she was paying and will be thrown out if her savings is gone before she is. The only thing she is getting that she was not getting before is 3 meals in a dining room. The big difference is the expectations. Where she was, she had to keep up with younger people or be evicted. Where she is now, she is expected to need help and if she does need extra help, such as someone managing her medication for her, she will have to pay for it. And she is in one of the most affordable places.

I would love to be in a place where meals are serviced and someone cleans my room once a week but I can not afford it and never will be able to afford it. I think the depression that is causing many people to horde and to give up, and then live in filth, is the reality of no one caring. When we pay a few thousand dollars a month, we are paying people to care. But what if like in the Netherlands, society really did care? What if society thought older people should have the help they need and they should get it simply because that is how a civilized country should be?
 
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Vida May said:
Thank you and that is why I have said, property managers of complexes for the elderly should have some training in gerontology, so they would have the information needed to help the renters and a perspective that is helpful, not judgmental. The need for help should be expected and the management should know what to do when that is needed.

My 94-year-old friend is paying 3 times the rent she was paying and will be thrown out if her savings is gone before she is. The only thing she is getting that she was not getting before is 3 meals in a dining room. The big difference is the expectations. Where she was, she had to keep up with younger people or be evicted. Where she is now, she is expected to need help and if she does need extra help, such as someone managing her medication for her, she will have to pay for it. And she is in one of the most affordable places.

I would love to be in a place where meals are serviced and someone cleans my room once a week but I can not afford it and never will be able to afford it. I think the depression that is causing many people to horde and to give up, and then live in filth, is the reality of no one caring. When we pay a few thousand dollars a month, we are paying people to care. But what if like in the Netherlands, society really did care? What if society thought older people should have the help they need and they should get it simply because that is how a civilized country should be?
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But what if like in the Netherlands, society really did care? What if society thought older people should have the help they need and they should get it simply because that is how a civilized country should be?

(y)
 
Vida May said:
This act led to senior centers and low-income housing for people over 55 or in some places 62. We can audit college classes for free if there is room in the class. We can ride the bus for free. I am a senior companion and get a stipend of $3.00 an hour to visit with seniors and, take them places. For a year I was a foster grandparent and that is a school volunteer program. The Senior Companion Program and Foster Grandparent Program are for both the people served and the low-income seniors who get a stipend. One of the most popular programs is seniors mentoring people who are starting a business.
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So which is it? If we have these senior centers and low income housing, etc, why would "elder people face eviction and homelessness"?

And "riding the bus for free" is not much of an entitlement for free transportation. I would have to drive my car about 6 miles to take a free bus ride.

I have no sense of being "entitled" to anything at someone else's expense.
 
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Paco Dennis said:
But what if like in the Netherlands, society really did care? What if society thought older people should have the help they need and they should get it simply because that is how a civilized country should be?

(y)
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Great - let's just send all of our homeless elderly to the Netherlands and let them, God Bless their Hearts, take care of them.

I'll pitch in on the cost of the plane ticket! (y)
 
Vida May said:
Some older people are evicted for hoarding and this should not happen because these people have a problem and need help.
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Sorry, if I own a house and the tenant turns out to be a hoarder, that tenant is going out on the street post-haste. My responsibility is to provide housing within code specifications at the agreed price, not to be a mental health counselor.
 
Paco Dennis said:
But what if like in the Netherlands, society really did care? What if society thought older people should have the help they need and they should get it simply because that is how a civilized country should be?

(y)
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Buckeye said:
lol - let's face it - comparing the Netherlands to the US is meaningless.
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Let's cut our defense spending to Dutch levels (about 1.4 percent of GDP instead of 3.5 percent). That way, when the Russians invade Ukraine and the Ukrainians ask for arms, we can send them...what? Wheels of Gouda cheese?
 
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OneEyedDiva said:
These situations are so sad. I know of some elderly who couldn't or didn't take care of their apartments. They were not evicted but boy what messes were left for their loved ones to take care of after they passed.
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It is indeed sad. So sad that too many people here on earth only look at the elderly who need help as sources of income or as being worthless. And the elderly aren't the only ones who are looked at that way either.
 
One of the biggest reasons for why housing...especially rentals...is becoming so pricey is due to corporations and wealthy people buying up properties as an "investment" and making a bunch of money as prices continue to rise. They have been able to get away with this Scam because new housing construction is lagging far behind demand.

Eventually, construction will pick up a bit, and there will be another "housing bubble", and these greedy types will see their investments plummet.
 
I saw a news story today about how rents are up well over 30% in Miami and over 20% in Dallas. The news anchor interviewed a young guy in Miami whose rent had increased from over $3,000 to over $6,000 a month. He was interviewed while sitting in a huge apartment overlooking the ocean. I thought "poor baby". He could certainly find something further inland for what he was previously paying.

Why weren't they interviewing people who were living month-to-month, paying $800 per month and whose rent had increased to $1,500 per month? These are the people who are losing housing completely. BTW, rhetorical question.
 
Buckeye said:
Great - let's just send all of our homeless elderly to the Netherlands and let them, God Bless their Hearts, take care of them.

I'll pitch in on the cost of the plane ticket! (y)
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I think hiring several cruise ships with a few round trips would be needed.
 
Don M. said:
One of the biggest reasons for why housing...especially rentals...is becoming so pricey is due to corporations and wealthy people buying up properties as an "investment" and making a bunch of money as prices continue to rise. They have been able to get away with this Scam because new housing construction is lagging far behind demand.

Eventually, construction will pick up a bit, and there will be another "housing bubble", and these greedy types will see their investments plummet.
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This is also the reason young people can't buy their first homes. These corporations are buying up entire developments and are not allowing people to buy but only rent during a housing shortage.
 
Vida May said:
Thank you and that is why I have said, property managers of complexes for the elderly should have some training in gerontology, so they would have the information needed to help the renters and a perspective that is helpful, not judgmental. The need for help should be expected and the management should know what to do when that is needed.

My 94-year-old friend is paying 3 times the rent she was paying and will be thrown out if her savings is gone before she is. The only thing she is getting that she was not getting before is 3 meals in a dining room. The big difference is the expectations. Where she was, she had to keep up with younger people or be evicted. Where she is now, she is expected to need help and if she does need extra help, such as someone managing her medication for her, she will have to pay for it. And she is in one of the most affordable places.

I would love to be in a place where meals are serviced and someone cleans my room once a week but I can not afford it and never will be able to afford it. I think the depression that is causing many people to horde and to give up, and then live in filth, is the reality of no one caring. When we pay a few thousand dollars a month, we are paying people to care. But what if like in the Netherlands, society really did care? What if society thought older people should have the help they need and they should get it simply because that is how a civilized country should be?
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I am in total agreement with all you have said.
Renting from Property management places is unfair treatment for sure as I see it.
I found the issues are this way is partly by government systems to it seems to make a gain of jobs for younger people without the Respect for the elderly.
I remember long ago thinking if I married I would have a family to care for and on return as I earned it means I would be respected by my needs being taken care of by my own family that now is estranged to me.
And why. Because of interfering government jobs listing to keep the children away from their parents meaning social services.
I feel these bad forms of jobs are keeping parents stuck away in high Risers meant for children who grew up to not include their parents.
Less family seems has been striped of this keeping parents on their own places blinding those to not want to care as on visiting and small helpful needed household duties. They are busy paying taxes so the government can takeover without the parents permission to become a useless thought in the systems idea of controlling as in divide and conquer.
 
It seems like hoarding becomes more and more an issue as one ages for some. Or, on the other hand, some will start discarding more and more as they age as their interests and hobbies become less. I get rid of more and more while my wife accumulates, although I would not classify my wife as a hoarder. It was kind of the same with my mom and dad.
 
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Buckeye said:
So which is it? If we have these senior centers and low income housing, etc, why would "elder people face eviction and homelessness"?

And "riding the bus for free" is not much of an entitlement for free transportation. I would have to drive my car about 6 miles to take a free bus ride.

I have no sense of being "entitled" to anything at someone else's expense.
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Good question. šŸ˜˜ Why are there homeless elderly people?

There are several reasons for that, personal, educational, cultural, political, economic, and public administration policy.

I helped seniors as a volunteer and never thought of the government being responsible for senior services until I studied gerontology at the University of Oregon.

US culture is backward when it comes to social services in part because we were pioneers just a couple of generations ago. I have known people who grew up on homesteads. Europe preferred villages but with the exception of a few large cities, we preferred to live isolated from each other and developed an attitude about being independent that is not civilized. Civil means living in cities. To this day we are focused on maintaining independence.

Never in the history of humanity have there been so many long-lived people and our consciousness has not caught up with the reality of long-lived people. You scoffed at the notion of being entitled to transportation. What will happen when you lose the ability to drive? If you live long enough, you will lose the ability to drive. Aging is about mental and physical deterioration. I want to be careful with that statement because I believe for a while our thinking is greatly improved and we can be a huge benefit to society, but we are all losing our ability to function and if we live long enough, we will need help maintaining our independence.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Let's cut our defense spending to Dutch levels (about 1.4 percent of GDP instead of 3.5 percent). That way, when the Russians invade Ukraine and the Ukrainians ask for arms, we can send them...what? Wheels of Gouda cheese?
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That is very good Military-Industrial Complex thinking, and what I want to say is a whole different topic. Our conflict with Puttin is like looking in a mirror and finding fault with ourselves. We have lost our understanding of what made the US a world leader and now argue in favor of dumping our disabled people on the streets and using the police to drive them away and keep them out of sight? Poverty kills and civilization might want to pay attention to that. We are the richest nation in the world and what we should be proud of is our military strength? That is like a college being proud of its football team, and not noticing the importance of all the other graduates.
 
Autumn72 said:
I am in total agreement with all you have said.
Renting from Property management places is unfair treatment for sure as I see it.
I found the issues are this way is partly by government systems to it seems to make a gain of jobs for younger people without the Respect for the elderly.
I remember long ago thinking if I married I would have a family to care for and on return as I earned it means I would be respected by my needs being taken care of by my own family that now is estranged to me.
And why. Because of interfering government jobs listing to keep the children away from their parents meaning social services.
I feel these bad forms of jobs are keeping parents stuck away in high Risers meant for children who grew up to not include their parents.
Less family seems has been striped of this keeping parents on their own places blinding those to not want to care as on visiting and small helpful needed household duties. They are busy paying taxes so the government can takeover without the parents permission to become a useless thought in the systems idea of controlling as in divide and conquer.
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Oh God girl we have to talk! I am afraid my time restraints make me look like I am ignoring everyone and then hogging all the attention by posting too much. I am so sorry about this problem.

This is off topic but if you want we can do a different thread about why in the 1970s we announced a national youth crisis. We do not have the family life and social order we expected because we stopped educating for that social order and prepared everyone for the Military-Industrial Complex. Yes, they are busy paying taxes. That is essential to having a high tech military, and when it comes to human values, that is a burden we have rejected.

Next issue, Half our population cared for the young, the old and disabled, and the ill for free! We did it because that is what a good woman does. If we did work we worked for very low wages because it was meaningful work or just because women were locked out of better education and better jobs. I am out of time. But we gave and gave and gave and yes, I think we are entitled!
 

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