EVs should just be part of the mix of multiple power sources for transportation. Their strengths and weaknesses will determine what is used and where. Personally, I would consider a small EV for running errands around town and my gas powered car for trips.
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Aunt Mavis
I have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo
Yup.
Jean-Paul
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Lawrence oddly the every écologique law, mandat or requirements from the government or activists has the side effects of limiting our freedom further.
After the new laws effect, we discovered that the intended benefits never materialize or the result is opposite the,good intention. But the laws are ne per repealed or revised, despite the continuing failure of these central control socialiste schemes throughout the centuries.
Also we see that the taxpayers money that is needed to fund the schemes ultimately winds up in the pockets of the cronies, oligarchy and commercial friends of the politicians and beurocrats that foist this garbage upon us.
Enjoy!
From an optimist in the nuclear age
Jon
squatting dog
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That may already be in the works... Interesting item buried within the “infrastructure” legislation, which passed in August 2021, and is awaiting presidential signature. In it, there is a measure to install vehicle kill switches into every new car, truck, and SUV sold in this country. (USA).
The bill states that the kill switch, which is referred to as a safety device, must “passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired or partaking in any form of “illegal” activity".
That means the government will now have the power to shut off your vehicle if they determine you are partaking in any form of “illegal” activity.
So, who gets to determine what is "illegal activity"? Or who determines who has access to this switch? This folks is scary stuff.
These are all interesting replies and I thank you all for your
input.
I still can't understand why induction drops away, this I am
sure can be addressed, maybe have something steel or iron
above the cable in the ground, plus, the number of volts and
current has to contribute.
Induction is a strange thing, somebody in a workshop, made
a distribution panel for one of my jobs, where the supply came
in, he drilled 4 holes, 3-inches each, he didn't realise that, that
was wrong, neither did the man who connected the incoming
supply cable, a 4 core cable at 120mm2, one leg through each
hole, at 415 volts AC, after half an hour, the induction had melted
the metal plate with holes in it and caused a minor explosion, I
then had to explain to the men concerned why it happened and
how to prevent it, having witnessed such power at a low voltage
I am still convinced that it should be able to be done.
My training is preventing induction from causing trouble.
Mike.
input.
I still can't understand why induction drops away, this I am
sure can be addressed, maybe have something steel or iron
above the cable in the ground, plus, the number of volts and
current has to contribute.
Induction is a strange thing, somebody in a workshop, made
a distribution panel for one of my jobs, where the supply came
in, he drilled 4 holes, 3-inches each, he didn't realise that, that
was wrong, neither did the man who connected the incoming
supply cable, a 4 core cable at 120mm2, one leg through each
hole, at 415 volts AC, after half an hour, the induction had melted
the metal plate with holes in it and caused a minor explosion, I
then had to explain to the men concerned why it happened and
how to prevent it, having witnessed such power at a low voltage
I am still convinced that it should be able to be done.
My training is preventing induction from causing trouble.
Mike.
SeniorBen
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"Electrified" roadways, which have wireless charging infrastructure under the asphalt, could keep EVs operating around the clock, with unlimited range — a big deal for transit buses, delivery vans, long-haul trucks and even future robotaxis.I used to be an Electrical Engineer, still am I suppose, but retired,
a fairly good one, I like to think!
A few months ago, I suggested that if the High Voltage power lines
were buried properly, under the motorways, one phase and earth
under each lane and a receiver in each vehicle, to collect the induction
that would come from the power cables and constantly boost the
batteries, you could get from one end of your journey on the highway,
to the other, without depleting your battery.
The people who I was trying to convince were young and Pooh, poohed,
my idea, they didn't really understand, I fear.
Education here is very poor I think, they are taught to pass an exam, they
never learn the subject properly.
During my technical education, any test had at least 85% pass requirement,
some more, today a friend who went to university in his 40s, told me that the
pass mark was 45%, that tells you something.
Mike.
https://www.axios.com/2022/02/02/a-roadway-will-charge-your-ev-while-youre-driving
Nemo2
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"We are living in the future I'll tell you how I know
I read it in the paper fifteen years ago
We're all driving rocket ships and talking with our minds
And wearing turquoise jewelry and standing in soup lines"
John Prine.....circa 1980
I read it in the paper fifteen years ago
We're all driving rocket ships and talking with our minds
And wearing turquoise jewelry and standing in soup lines"
John Prine.....circa 1980
Geezer Garage
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It's going to be much like the horse vs automobile. Many will be dragged screaming into a new era. The advancement of electric vehicles will necessarily bring about the modernization of the infrastructure to support it, which is really a win-win. I love dino powered vehicles, but you can see the writing on the wall.
Sawfish
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Definitely, there's a fair amount of virtue posturing that goes into purchasing all EV.
Suckers really feel great to drive as opposed to ICE cars.
Sawfish
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Yep. Talk's cheap and posturing is fun.
Sawfish
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I hear about this kinda stuff and it makes me glad I'm old. Hopefully, it'll be someone else's problem...
...hate to be that way, but I've got to find consolation in some fashion, huh? :^)
Thank you SeniorBen, this has to be an induction set-up,
as they cannot beam electricity any other way, unless it
is magic and the senior electrical engineer is called Merlin.
Mike.
Jean-Paul
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Dear Mike, I am unsure the "induction" incident you mentioned or its relationship to the proposed power transfer to future EV.
As an EE, I cannot know your definition of " induction" but suspect you mean coupling of energy by electric fields. For efficient, reliable and substantial energy transfer the accepted methods are high frequency TEM ( radio waves or microwaves), close by E fields like diathermy, then closeby magnetic fields as in transformers and the MagLev monorail.
One must go deeply into electromagnetic theory to explain the decrease in coupling and transfer with distance. The relationship depends on many paramètres.
To summarize, the defined system ( whatever it is) might be simulated in some FEM software, Matlab, etc, but will proove to be inefficient and impractical for EV autos on the roads.
Cordialement
Jon
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leastlongprime
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Did you know that Capitol Toyota (Salem) was at one time a top seller of Prius in the US.
We have a Prius ll, early 2009 model. Placed on waiting list in July 2008 and told to expect delivery in Jan-Feb 2009, ~70 orders ahead of us. By Thanksgiving, Great Recession 2008, we were at the head of the line. ... orders had vanished. We have now 100,000 miles on it, and accumulating <80miles/mn.
No we are not going to purchase a new car, not even a BEV or another hybrid.
leastlongprime
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@Swordfish
When wife was driving to Albany, in the winter, her Prius ll milage, increased.
The Prius is and was garaged.
Learn something the other day for Prius, The E Battery&Charging has a cooling system, even has a reservoir for the coolant expansion.
When wife was driving to Albany, in the winter, her Prius ll milage, increased.
The Prius is and was garaged.
Learn something the other day for Prius, The E Battery&Charging has a cooling system, even has a reservoir for the coolant expansion.
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The precursor to the kill-switch was the seat belt interlock.
1973 – The Seat Belt Interlock Mechanism Is Introduced
It all began in 1973, when the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration required all new cars to install a seat belt interlock mechanism. The inexpensive device prevented a car from starting until the driver's seat belt was buckled.
Here are a couple of videos that support my idea, the first
one is a static service for Uber Taxis, in Norway.
The second one is at an airport in Sweden, there they have
put induction coils under the road surface, they have also
fitted induction coils under the bus, they didn't specify how
many, but it is an experiment and the road is only one mile
long, the bus is also travelling slowly, to go further at speed
might need stronger everything, but is out there.
Mike.
The second one is at an airport in Sweden, there they have
put induction coils under the road surface, they have also
fitted induction coils under the bus, they didn't specify how
many, but it is an experiment and the road is only one mile
long, the bus is also travelling slowly, to go further at speed
might need stronger everything, but is out there.
Mike.
ElCastor
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Our last car was a Prius. I liked it and we did save on gas, but at 100K the batteries gave out. Replacing was not cheap, even with a rebuilt pack, but had to do it. Decided to buy a new car. Did the math. Factored in the premium tacked on the price of a new hybrid as well as the cost of a replacement battery pack, against a tax incentive and gas savings and couldn’t see much advantage, if any. Of course I couldn’t have foreseen the skyrocketed increase in the cost of gas. Quite a coincidence? I suppose our next car might be electric, but I will have to once again do the math.
Murrmurr
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My son bought a Rivian, aka, EAV, Electric Adventure Vehicle. He ordered it before the company actually built it, but he went to see their models, and took a couple of them for a test-drive. He ordered the truck, and it was delivered just a week or two ago.
He and his wife drove it to Kansas to spend the holiday with their son and grandchildren. They left on Christmas Eve, and severe blizzard conditions hit the Sierra Mountains just before they had to cross them. They used a special map that the Rivian company gave them that shows all the charging stations across the US, and planned their trip accordingly. Trouble was, the blizzard caused closures on some of the highways and streets they needed to stop on to charge up.
They got home at about 4 this morning. Grant (my son) said it was the worst trip he's ever taken in his entire life. That's saying a lot because he does a lot of traveling for work, and he and his wife take at least 2 long-distance trips a year, always in their own vehicle. They were totally stressed out for most of this trip. They used the Rivian's computer and their phones to look for charging stations on the detour routes, which was good except when internet connection was bad, and 2 of the charging stations they found needed charging themselves because of power outages.
He said the trip was an absolute nightmare. It took a day and-a-half longer than planned because road closures meant doubling back as far as 60 miles and having to find reliable charging stations on roads they hadn't planned to take. To top it all off, their windshield was hit by a pebble or something that left a divot. He repaired it as well as he could with a kit he bought at a charging station, but with a storm raging the whole time, the resin probably didn't cure well.
He's still very, very happy with the truck, though. They just won't be taking it over the Sierras during winter. "Electric Adventure," to be sure.
Timewise 60+
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Nope, we won't ever own one!
By the time they are a competitive viable alternative I will be too old to drive...
By the time they are a competitive viable alternative I will be too old to drive...
Aunt Mavis
I have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo
Good feedback. I’d probably take it to the nearest lot and lose $25k turning it in. Lol. I’m pretty sure those are close to $100k unless it’s the base base model.
Aunt Mavis
I have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo
Typical Nordic country though, forward thinkers.
squatting dog
Remember when... thirty seemed so old.
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Wonder when they stopped doing that. All my vehicles merely have a light or buzzer if I don't buckle up.
Murrmurr
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It was over $100K but this thing is loaded with awesomeness! It's got a truck bed, of course, but there's also a nice, roomy cargo area under the rear seats, from one side to the other with an exterior door on both sides, right next to the passenger doors, plus there's a "trunk" under the hood, because no engine there.
And all of it is beautifully carpeted, and everything is so smooth and well-crafted. It's got several "courtesy lights" and the computer graphics are great, air conditioning and sound systems are great. It's just a really gorgeous truck, man.