Equality for men

And who has sent men (or anyone) to war? Other men, that's who. Maybe you might try being pissed about that?

But you might have something there. If our Congress (and higher) had to send their daughters to war, maybe they might think twice about being so quick about war altogether. But you know darn well, anyone with any kind of pull and power would see to it that only other people's daughters (and sons) would have to serve at all.

Maybe get mad about that inequality.
 

Traveler said:
You claim I am maintaining an aura of superiority over women. I did not say, or imply that. You saying it does not make it true.

Women are sexually assaulted in and out of the military. I don't see any special distinction. If a woman is assaulted, she should file a charge. If the man is found guilty he should pay the price with prison time and a dishonorable discharge.
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Wrong! I did not specify the gender of the "inferior beings". You jumped to that conclusion all on your own. Dealing with sexual assault/rape is, of course, in need of greater enforcement both in private life and in the military; however, in the military, women have a greatly decreased choice of who, what, where and when while there are greater choices in private life.
 
I give up. I can't handle the tag-team. I have been out-numbered and worn down. One giant gang bang.

Anything you folks want is fine with me. You want to believe woman are just as rough and tough as any man, any day, any where? Fine, no problem. It is just fine when he fights and dies for you but God forbid if he seeks any sort of parody. Divorce him, take his kids away, take his house and 1/2 of everything he owns, take all the alimony you can squeeze from him, take all the child support and leave him in poverty. He is your slave. But you knew that as soon as you married him.

The next time you are in serious trouble and need help, call a woman. Wind blew a big tree down into your living-room ? Call a woman. Car stuck in the snow? Call a woman . Transmission on your car needs replacing ? Call a woman. Just don't ask for my help, cause you aren't going to get it.
 

Australian SES volunteers - the ones who come to your house when a big tree crashes through the roof.
None of them are conscripts and all of them have other jobs that they drop when called on for help.



You don't call a woman, but you are likely to get a few turn up.
One might even be wearing a hijab.
 
You are winning, keep going without varying your manner of posts

Traveler said:
If I had won custody of my daughter it sure as hell would have made me happy.

Men and women have different styles of raising children. There is no two mothers about it. Just two parents. I feel you are confusing child rearing with motherhood and labeling the caregiver as a "mother". At no point when I was caring for my daughter did I identify myself as "mother".

I am confused about why you would disagree that the welfare of the child should take priority ? Really confused !
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I will try to very briefly then explain my objections to the phrase "the welfare of the child should take priority".

I am sure no one on the planet feels it should not be "one of the priorities" of family law to ensure the welfare of the child, but the moment our family laws are framed to say "the welfare of the child should be THE priority" all kinds of negative consequences become possible. For example no one can adequately define the best interests of the child, so in practise in means some court appointed officials making the judgement, and furthermore its a judgement they can revisit at any time to deem you as a parent no longer in your child's best interests, and believe me it is very hard to challenge or question.

A professor called Akira Morita has objected to the best interests of the child principle on the grounds it ignores the fact that what the child needs is the relationship with the parent, not some notion of children's rights, i.e. the children's right to contact with the parent, as opposed to the parent's right. I know that sentence is confusing, and I will struggle to explain it more simply or thoroughly I'm afraid. If you can accept my assurance our family law in Western countries are bedevilled by arguments surrounding a child's best interests, and all kinds of travesty's based upon it then I'll have achieved something. A former UK top politician, who held most of the high offices of state did attempt to challenge the best interests of the child principle back in 2001, and in his view "the system was not working", and I believe it will never work until the wisdom of his words are properly understood, and reflected in our family laws.

Other than that I would urge you not to change your style of posting, as the attacks you are under are not unique and should oddly be considered compliments in my view.
 
In Norway and Sweden conscription is compulsory for men and women.

From March 2017...... "With its reintroduction of the draft, Sweden will for the first time join Norway to become only the second country in Europe where military service is compulsory for women and as well as men."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...duce-conscription-amid-rising-baltic-tensions

Then there's the 'Jegertroppen', Norway's all female miliary special forces unit. Unit member Tonje, 22, said: “We’re carrying the same weight in backpack as the boys. We do the same tasks. I’m the smallest, so I carry as much weight as I myself weigh.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...first-all-female-special-forces-unit-military

Switzerland are also considering military conscription for women.

https://www.thelocal.ch/20170523/switzerland-takes-step-closer-to-military-conscription-for-women
 
I think if women want to be "equal" to men, then we should share the equality. #1 is to be given an equal footing in family courts, as Traveler noted. Men are obliged to "pay" for their kids, while not being allowed to be with them. Too many of divorced men have the visitation of their kids used as a weapon against them. I also see no reason why women cannot be conscripted into the service. The concept that all males are big, muscular towers of strength just isn't true. If wimps can make it in the army, so can women. I just don't believe women are these flitty, weak, needy, overly emotional waifs. I believe the idea that women are those things has made for the inequality between men and women.
 
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@fuzzybuddy
BLAH! Ok, now that that's over with:
I worked in Family Court. Women legally pay equal to men in NYS. Period. That's the law.
Conscription. You're not saying bring back the draft, because I'll be yelling about that. However, if there were to be a circumstance where Congress declares war and our nation is at stake OF COURSE women will be drafted! They already volunteer in record numbers.
 
Traveler said:
I give up. I can't handle the tag-team. I have been out-numbered and worn down. One giant gang bang.

Anything you folks want is fine with me. You want to believe woman are just as rough and tough as any man, any day, any where? Fine, no problem. It is just fine when he fights and dies for you but God forbid if he seeks any sort of parody. Divorce him, take his kids away, take his house and 1/2 of everything he owns, take all the alimony you can squeeze from him, take all the child support and leave him in poverty. He is your slave. But you knew that as soon as you married him.

The next time you are in serious trouble and need help, call a woman. Wind blew a big tree down into your living-room ? Call a woman. Car stuck in the snow? Call a woman . Transmission on your car needs replacing ? Call a woman. Just don't ask for my help, cause you aren't going to get it.
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The trouble is, that like so many things, the whole equality thing has been taken to extremes. Yes, both genders are equal but they are not the same.
Women like shalimar seem to think that being equal to men means being the same as men, behaving like men,etc. It doesn't. All women know we are not inferior but that doesn't mean we can't be soft and feminine. Many of us get fulfilment from being a home-maker and taking care of babies. We don't all want to be mechanics,etc.
Men still think they are superior...wise women will let them keep that illusion!
 
Rosemarie said:
The trouble is, that like so many things, the whole equality thing has been taken to extremes. Yes, both genders are equal but they are not the same.
Women like shalimar seem to think that being equal to men means being the same as men, behaving like men,etc. It doesn't. All women know we are not inferior but that doesn't mean we can't be soft and feminine. Many of us get fulfilment from being a home-maker and taking care of babies. We don't all want to be mechanics,etc.
Men still think they are superior...wise women will let them keep that illusion!
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“Women like Shalimar” My goodness, I think I have just been stereotyped. Lol. I am a mother, a fine cook, and a superb baker. I have green thumbs to my elbows, trees in my living room, and a hanging garden of Babylon type garden on my balcony. I love interior design, my house is full of colour and

beautiful creative things. Macrame hangings created by my own hands and other objects add ambience to the sacred sanctuary that is my home. Act like a man, well no. I am a highly feminine woman, hair past my hips, wearer of bracelets, and soft feminine clothes. Soft? You

bet. I weep with the families of the vets dying of Covid. These same vets I say goodbye to via telephone. It hurts me when women, my sisters, deny my femininity simply because my choices are different than theirs. I fully support stay at home moms. The service they do is invaluable. It is about choice.
 
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In the interest of clarity. Previously, I have shared the story of the hell that was my childhood, how I ended up on the streets of Vancouver at seventeen. A vet found me in an alley, bloody and broken,

after being raped by multiple men. I had fought hard, but there were too many of them. He had PTSD, lost his only daughter to drugs and the streets. We were each other’s redemption. I

became a psychologist because of him, and I have been paying it forward ever since. I believe that, as a woman, I offer a healing feminine softness and warmth to my vets. How can I expect them to risk everything if I refuse to risk anything at all? 🌺
 
All of the issues being discussed in this thread could have so easily been avoided throughout history if people would simply see each other as people rather than dividing as we seem to need to do. We have dividing by skin color, gender, beliefs, political leanings, and whatever else can set "dese guys" against "dose guys". We come up with various labels to hang o people so we can make them into better defined targets. I see terms such as "snowflake", "woken", "far left", "far right", and on and on. In short, we are the problem and we all need to just...stop.

Tony
 
So, Now the men are going to ask for reparation? hahaha!

Just kidding! Actually, women have become more masculine , and men have become more emasculated; effiminate.

Ishould add, IMO
 
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Shalimar said:
“Women like Shalimar” My goodness, I think I have just been stereotyped. Lol. I am a mother, a fine cook, and a superb baker. I have green thumbs to my elbows, trees in my living room, and a hanging garden of Babylon type garden on my balcony. I love interior design, my house is full of colour and

beautiful creative things. Macrame hangings created by my own hands and other objects add ambience to the sacred sanctuary that is my home. Act like a man, well no. I am a highly feminine woman, hair past my hips, wearer of bracelets, and soft feminine clothes. Soft? You

bet. I weep with the families of the vets dying of Covid. These same vets I say goodbye to via telephone. It hurts me when women, my sisters, deny my femininity simply because my choices are different than theirs. I fully support stay at home moms. The service they do is invaluable. It is about choice.
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I apologize. I got completely the wrong impression. I imagined a Grunhilda! You're obviously a well-rounded woman who has nothing to prove.
 
Gaer said:
So, Now the men are going to ask for reparation? hahaha!

Just kidding! Actually, women have become more masculine , and men have become more emasculated; effiminate.

Ishould add, IMO
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There is a local radio station around here on which the male announcers seem so politically correct and act as if they are trying very hard not to offend anybody, especially women. I call that the "neutered male syndrome". I sincerely hope it is a fad that will fade sooner than later. Men can be masculine without being offensive.

Tony
 
Gaer said:
So, Now the men are going to ask for reparation? hahaha!

Just kidding! Actually, women have become more masculine , and men have become more emasculated; effiminate.

Ishould add, IMO
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"Actually, women have become more masculine , and men have become more emasculated; effiminate." You say that as if it were a bad thing. ;)
 
tbeltrans said:
There is a local radio station around here on which the male announcers seem so politically correct and act as if they are trying very hard not to offend anybody, especially women. I call that the "neutered male syndrome". I sincerely hope it is a fad that will fade sooner than later. Men can be masculine without being offensive.

Tony
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"neutered male syndrome"? That's HORRIBLE!
OMG!
it is a TERRIBLE THING!
The FACT that no one can see that; that is a terrible thing!
Where have all the REAL MEN GONE?
 
Here's a poem I wrote about this:

Do men still breathe the wild air?

Domenexist not bridle bound?
Whostand lone in morn's rise?
Men not bent to soft dispose.
by yarded fence or women's cries?

What men assert thisrebel stance,
who fiery fights mundane,
revels boldly with abash
and strides in worldly reign?

who's hearty laugh, unbridled taugnt
who's bond of word stands just?
Whe can't be shackled inrestraint,
for freedomis his lust?

Men who gouge the paths they walk
who'd bearing merges large,
He bends to no one, can't be girthed
who greets his fate with charge?

Do men still breathe the wild air?


Oh,, PLEASE let us keep men as MEN and women as women!
 
Gaer said:
"neutered male syndrome"? That's HORRIBLE!
OMG!
it is a TERRIBLE THING!
The FACT that no one can see that; that is a terrible thing!
Where have all the REAL MEN GONE?
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I suppose you would have to define what you mean by "real men" before any of us could answer that.

What I was referring to by "neutered male syndrome" was the typical DJ on a particular radio station that caters to the young professional crowd. These particular DJ guys seem really wimpy and speak as if they are terribly afraid of offending anybody, especially women, to the point that they sound quite effeminate to me.

To me, a "real man" is a guy who steps to his responsibilities, rather than foisting them on society or the government and blaming everybody else for his troubles (i.e. accepting responsibility for his actions and decisions). This isn't to say that women don't step up to their responsibilities, but we are talking about men here. I don't see a "real man" as somebody who can beat somebody up or can drag a woman into his cave. To me, it is a matter of maturity and responsibility without having to give up his identity as a man as the DJs I mentioned seem to do.

Tony
 
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