Evictions going into effect here in AZ....

Aneeda72 said:
Well, in all honesty I’ve owed my mother a beat down for decades and, yes, I should have done it years ago. But now she is 96 years old 🤦🏻‍♀️, and still a horrid person. Frankly in a fight, she would win since she has beat down experience.

it the rules say the bench goes, then the bench goes. Has nothing to do with the age of the tenant, the rules are the rules.
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"Has nothing to do with the age of the tenant, the rules are the rules."


True-that.
 

Seems to me there is some confusion here on the compassion vs moratorium extension issue. I think compassion for poor folks who can't pay the rent should be an issue separate from the covid relief thing. The covid relief eviction moratorium, and other support, was intended to be short term to get us past the economic and social shock of the pandemic. Like what it was or not I think it is pretty clearly time to move on and stop the covid relief things. This is not the same as stopping housing support for the poor, different issue.

And on the eviction moratorium I am not sure of all the ins and outs of how that worked, but to expect a landlord to let anyone stay rent free is like expecting Walmart to let poor people shop without paying, not fair or sustainable. The only way I can see an eviction moratorium ever making sense is if the government steps in and pays the rent. And there are reasons for eviction that have nothing to do with rent, some tenants are dangerous, damaging to property, or don't follow the rules. Had a friend who evicted renters for selling drugs out of the apartment, he tried the police first and only evicted when that did not work. And sometimes landlords need to have a property empty to repair, sell or put to other use. Eviction can be for many reasons.
 
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Colleen said:
Don't know what the rest of the country is doing concerning evictions from apartments, but in Phoenix, all extensions have run out (even though there's plenty of money received by the government) and even if someone applied in March, their application hasn't even been processed yet. On the news last night there was a story about a single mother working 2 jobs with a son in high school and her landlord is kicking her out the end of this month. She applied in March but has never had any help. What a shame.
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Maybe Arizona needed that money to pay incentives to successful business people every Friday night. Wouldn't be surprised if that government account has been empty for a while now. Just sayin'
 
Colleen said:
Obviously, you don't know how much rent is, especially in Phoenix. Not everyone got that $300 and how far do you think those meager stimulus checks went when they have families? Not very compassionate, are you?
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Here's something crazy - I personally know a young couple who have over $10,000 in savings, and they didn't start saving till April. They've paid their rent (on a low-income rental), paid the utility bills, and bought groceries. They even bought a used car. The kicker is that it's been 4 years since either of them had a job. She worked for 6 weeks once at a pizza shop, and he worked for five months at a discount store. That's it; their entire work history. But they each got the extra $300/wk unemployment benefit, the 3 stimulus checks, and they're getting a $300/mo-per-child retroactive stimulus check for 2019 and 2020. They have 3 kids, so $900/mo.

Seems like that woman made the mistake of earning an honest living. Seems she disqualified herself from getting all the goodies.
 
Colleen said:
On the news last night there was a story about a single mother working 2 jobs with a son in high school and her landlord is kicking her out the end of this month. She applied in March but has never had any help. What a shame.
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These "single mother." stories never mention the child's father. It's hard enough for working class people to bring up children on two incomes these days. It can be almost impossible on one. Yes, she's working two jobs but she has to sleep sometime and children, even teens shouldn't be left alone. The pandemic has just pointed out one of our biggest problems and it's this epidemic of choosing to have children without getting married first.

Just thinking more about this; other than the fact that she got three stimulus checks she wouldn't have normally received, what does the pandemic have to do with her situation? Unlike a lot of people, she didn't lose her job because of it. If she could afford the rent before the pandemic why can't she afford it now? If her pay was too low for the rent she wouldn't have been granted a lease in the first place. What is she spending her money on? Food is the easiest thing to get free or half-priced when you're low-income.
 
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Della said:
These "single mother." stories never mention the child's father. It's hard enough for working class people to bring up children on two incomes these days. It can be almost impossible on one. Yes, she's working two jobs but she has to sleep sometime and children, even teens shouldn't be left alone. The pandemic has just pointed out one of our biggest problems and it's this epidemic of choosing to have children without getting married first.

Just thinking more about this; other than the fact that she got three stimulus checks she wouldn't have normally received, what does the pandemic have to do with her situation? Unlike a lot of people, she didn't lose her job because of it. If she could afford the rent before the pandemic why can't she afford it now? If her pay was too low for the rent she wouldn't have been granted a lease in the first place. What is she spending her money on? Food is the easiest thing to get free or half-priced when you're low-income.
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You note many of the questions I have. ........... The entire second sentence.

IMO, just another gaming the system .
 
Della said:
These "single mother." stories never mention the child's father. It's hard enough for working class people to bring up children on two incomes these days. It can be almost impossible on one. Yes, she's working two jobs but she has to sleep sometime and children, even teens shouldn't be left alone. The pandemic has just pointed out one of our biggest problems and it's this epidemic of choosing to have children without getting married first.

Just thinking more about this; other than the fact that she got three stimulus checks she wouldn't have normally received, what does the pandemic have to do with her situation? Unlike a lot of people, she didn't lose her job because of it. If she could afford the rent before the pandemic why can't she afford it now? If her pay was too low for the rent she wouldn't have been granted a lease in the first place. What is she spending her money on? Food is the easiest thing to get free or half-priced when you're low-income.
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Why are you assuming she didn't get married first? Was her children's father her husband or boyfriend? Was her boyfriend helping until he got himself in trouble and is now incarcerated? Did he get sick and die or was he killed? Was she earning a good living but circumstances happened to bring bad luck her way? These are things you don't know, yet you are assuming. This reminds me of decades ago when I was talking about the mother of the young woman who eventually became my DIL to one of my coworkers. Her mother had heart problems, couldn't work for awhile which becomes a struggle when you have 5 children. Well we're Black and my co-worker asked accusingly "Well where's the kids' father?" And there was some question about having 5 children in the first place. I felt she was assuming herself right into the spewing stereotypes mode about Black men as fathers and about Black unwed mothers. Anyway, I informed her that the mother was widowed. She and her husband had two sets of twins and another girl. Her husband got cancer at a young age and died when he was in his late 30's or early 40's.

These days, many young people are choosing to have children without the benefit of marriage (both women and men) which was not the case back in our day. Also re getting free food or accessing food at all. What neighborhood does she live in? What's available in her area? I saw an expose not long ago about how hard it is for people in poor neighborhoods to get decent food. The grocery stores may be hard to get to. The quality in poorer neighborhoods is not that good and if it's a small supermarket, the prices are higher, not lower. If you make a dollar over what is considered poverty level, you don't get any benefits. I know people (all races) who only get $16 a month in (formerly called) food stamps. The system isn't always fair and what's easy for some isn't easy for others.

Re the OP: It bugs the hell out of me that the government in this country can throw money at those who are already rich, bail them out, pardon them from paying their fair share of taxes, give billions of aid to other countries, spend wastefully on so much stuff but don't have enough to help the poor, the elderly, the children who are suffering right here in the U.S.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Why are you assuming she didn't get married first? Was her children's father her husband or boyfriend? Was her boyfriend helping until he got himself in trouble and is now incarcerated? Did he get sick and die or was he killed? Was she earning a good living but circumstances happened to bring bad luck her way? These are things you don't know, yet you are assuming. This reminds me of decades ago when I was talking about the mother of the young woman who eventually became my DIL to one of my coworkers. Her mother had heart problems, couldn't work for awhile which becomes a struggle when you have 5 children. Well we're Black and my co-worker asked accusingly "Well where's the kids' father?" And there was some question about having 5 children in the first place. I felt she was assuming herself right into the spewing stereotypes mode about Black men as fathers and about Black unwed mothers. Anyway, I informed her that the mother was widowed. She and her husband had two sets of twins and another girl. Her husband got cancer at a young age and died when he was in his late 30's or early 40's.

These days, many young people are choosing to have children without the benefit of marriage (both women and men) which was not the case back in our day. Also re getting free food or accessing food at all. What neighborhood does she live in? What's available in her area? I saw an expose not long ago about how hard it is for people in poor neighborhoods to get decent food. The grocery stores may be hard to get to. The quality in poorer neighborhoods is not that good and if it's a small supermarket, the prices are higher, not lower. If you make a dollar over what is considered poverty level, you don't get any benefits. I know people (all races) who only get $16 a month in (formerly called) food stamps. The system isn't always fair and what's easy for some isn't easy for others.

Re the OP: It bugs the hell out of me that the government in this country can throw money at those who are already rich, bail them out, pardon them from paying their fair share of taxes, give billions of aid to other countries, spend wastefully on so much stuff but don't have enough to help the poor, the elderly, the children who are suffering right here in the U.S.
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My disabled son gets 130 dollars a month in food stamps-try living on that
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Why are you assuming she didn't get married first?
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Because she's not described as a divorcee, or a widow, but as a single mother.

You're right that there are all sorts of things I don't know about her. But so often we're expected to have a knee jerk reaction of sympathy when we hear certain words like "single mother," when we know nothing else about them. You are the one assuming all sorts of things which may not apply. Why are you assuming she's poor and black? Maybe she's a white woman making lots of money and spending it all on clothes and cars, we simply don't know.

Aneeda's son has my sympathy, he is disabled and there would be much more money for the disabled if so much wasn't going to support children who should be supported by their parents.
 
Della said:
Because she's not described as a divorcee, or a widow, but as a single mother.

You're right that there are all sorts of things I don't know about her. But so often we're expected to have a knee jerk reaction of sympathy when we hear certain words like "single mother," when we know nothing else about them. You are the one assuming all sorts of things which may not apply. Why are you assuming she's poor and black? Maybe she's a white woman making lots of money and spending it all on clothes and cars, we simply don't know.

Aneeda's son has my sympathy, he is disabled and there would be much more money for the disabled if so much wasn't going to support children who should be supported by their parents.
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I'm not assuming anything and neither should anyone else. That was my point. We can't assume anything about her. Maybe some of your scenarios are correct. But your reply just made me think about that conversation about a woman who happened to be Black. I've heard of people referring to formerly married women as being single. In fact, I used the term to describe myself as raising my son as a single mom after I got divorced.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
But your reply just made me think about that conversation about a woman who happened to be Black. I've heard of people referring to formerly married women as being single. In fact, I used the term to describe myself as raising my son as a single mom after I got divorced.
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Okay -- but how else might you refer to yourself -- as a divorced mom? Well, I guess you could.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Why are you assuming she didn't get married first? Was her children's father her husband or boyfriend? Was her boyfriend helping until he got himself in trouble and is now incarcerated? Did he get sick and die or was he killed? Was she earning a good living but circumstances happened to bring bad luck her way? These are things you don't know, yet you are assuming. This reminds me of decades ago when I was talking about the mother of the young woman who eventually became my DIL to one of my coworkers. Her mother had heart problems, couldn't work for awhile which becomes a struggle when you have 5 children. Well we're Black and my co-worker asked accusingly "Well where's the kids' father?" And there was some question about having 5 children in the first place. I felt she was assuming herself right into the spewing stereotypes mode about Black men as fathers and about Black unwed mothers. Anyway, I informed her that the mother was widowed. She and her husband had two sets of twins and another girl. Her husband got cancer at a young age and died when he was in his late 30's or early 40's.

These days, many young people are choosing to have children without the benefit of marriage (both women and men) which was not the case back in our day. Also re getting free food or accessing food at all. What neighborhood does she live in? What's available in her area? I saw an expose not long ago about how hard it is for people in poor neighborhoods to get decent food. The grocery stores may be hard to get to. The quality in poorer neighborhoods is not that good and if it's a small supermarket, the prices are higher, not lower. If you make a dollar over what is considered poverty level, you don't get any benefits. I know people (all races) who only get $16 a month in (formerly called) food stamps. The system isn't always fair and what's easy for some isn't easy for others.

Re the OP: It bugs the hell out of me that the government in this country can throw money at those who are already rich, bail them out, pardon them from paying their fair share of taxes, give billions of aid to other countries, spend wastefully on so much stuff but don't have enough to help the poor, the elderly, the children who are suffering right here in the U.S.
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Miss Diva, I agree with you to a point; the glaring issue in this kind of situation is that single working parents don't qualify for a significant amount of help while non-working parents do. If the working parent's annual income exceeds $13000 (in Calif), it starts counting against them in a big way. Their children should qualify for free full medical and dental coverage, imo, and the family should qualify for enough food stamps to ensure everyone get adequates nutrition. There should be free certified child care, or very low cost at least. Single parents who are employed are a wonderful example for their children, but they're discouraged from working when the struggle to barely get by is so huge and their circumstances are so fragile.
 
Devi said:
Okay -- but how else might you refer to yourself -- as a divorced mom? Well, I guess you could.
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That's how I referred to myself when I was divorced and raising my son. Why shouldn't I have?

I had no child support or alimony and only one minimum wage job, but we got by. I actually felt like I was better off than when I was married to a college educated man who hated to work and spent the money I earned on nice things for himself.

While we were married we never had any sort of welfare although our earnings were far below "poverty level." We had no insurance so when my son was born it was five years before we paid off the hospital. I guess that may be one reason it bothers me when people act like all single mothers need help while all married mothers are sitting at home eating bonbons.
 
rgp said:
OK, I see your point but ......... back to the basics ........ if she can't pay her rent ? Out she goes ....... period.

As someone already noted .... the landlords are not in the business of starting their own welfare program.

Maybe look for a place that is section eight.

But if I owned the dwelling, she is going to be evicted.
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Ebenezer Scrooge lives again!
 
Della said:
That's how I referred to myself when I was divorced and raising my son. Why shouldn't I have?

I had no child support or alimony and only one minimum wage job, but we got by. I actually felt like I was better off than when I was married to a college educated man who hated to work and spent the money I earned on nice things for himself.

While we were married we never had any sort of welfare although our earnings were far below "poverty level." We had no insurance so when my son was born it was five years before we paid off the hospital. I guess that may be one reason it bothers me when people act like all single mothers need help while all married mothers are sitting at home eating bonbons.
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I wish I had some bonbons 😂. Now I want to go get Sees candy. Can not find my blood sugar monitor so I guess I’m ok. I divorced my first husband-was only married a couple years or so although it seemed like a lifetime. He was extremely abusive. So I became a single mother Instead of a punching bag.

I got 15 dollar a week in child support. Tried not to spend it all in one place. 😂😂😂
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I'm not assuming anything and neither should anyone else. That was my point. We can't assume anything about her.
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That's part of the problem with articles that provide minimal info.

At $7.25 & a low 30 hours a week between two jobs & maybe $185.00 a week take home isn't much to live on.

All unknown info like her monthly income, did she receive the stimulus payments, does she have any supplemental income. Some source or sources of income that could be applied to the rent. It's easy to feel sorry for the woman but since there was no mention of the landlords situation I think I'll wait for some follow up on this if there is one.
 
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