Execution with Nitrogen gas

Don M.

Don M.

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Today, Alabama executed a killer using Nitrogen, It sounds like the killer experienced quite q bit of "stress", as his brain became deprived of oxygen. He probably deserved the "punishment", but this will probably trigger all sorts of protests.

Alabama executes a man with nitrogen gas, the first time the new method has been used

However, if the States are looking for a way to rid society of these thugs, a cheap, and quick solution might be to give them a tablespoon of the huge amount of Fentanyl that is flooding our nation.
 

There's quite a bit of controversy about the death penalty, not only about the ethics involved but also the methods used. I don't understand why this is a problem. Why not use the same system veterinarians use—an injection that puts the animal to sleep followed by another that stops their heart? We had to do this with one of our pups, and she left this world very peacefully. However, I'm of the opinion that if someone commits a crime so heinous that they are deemed unfit to remain in our society, then I don't really care how they're dispatched.
 
Rich said:
There's quite a bit of controversy about the death penalty, not only about the ethics involved but also the methods used. I don't understand why this is a problem. Why not use the same system veterinarians use—an injection that puts the animal to sleep followed by another that stops their heart? We had to do this with one of our pups, and she left this world very peacefully. However, I'm of the opinion that if someone commits a crime so heinous that they are deemed unfit to remain in our society, then I don't really care how they're dispatched.
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I forget which country in SE Asia - Laos, I think - but one of them allows all the family members of murder victims to line up and slap the guilty party across the face after they're sentenced (to death).

I prefer that to a series of victim impact statements that the guilty party can tune out, or even laugh at.

Smack that POS across the face, and make it memorable.
 
Even though politically I have always been on the left, nevertheless I have always been in favor of capital punishment. This come from living in New York City for 15 years. Every day I was either reading or hearing about rapes, killings, rapes and killings, or other murders. I have no pity what so ever towards anyone who forced rape on a woman, or murdered an innocent person. Nor do I believe in rehabilitation for murderers. I don't believe it will work, and even if it does, they don't deserve it. Someone is no longer alive, because of them. We're better off without them alive anymore. Let's concentrate our feelings on those who are no longer alive, that weren't supposed to die yet.

No tears for that Alabama murderer.:mad:
 
Don M. said:
cheap, and quick solution might be to give them a tablespoon of the huge amount of Fentanyl that is flooding our nation.
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That's the drug (along with ativan) I will use when my time comes. Unlike many, I'm not interested in living past about 75, or when the last of our current generation of cats goes, whichever comes first.

Because I am an atheist, I don't believe in an afterlife but if I'm wrong (I might be) I hope for the Rainbow Bridge. I don't believe in it, but if there is an afterlife, that's what I want.

But it stands to reason, I have no awareness of what was before me, so I won't have awareness after I'm gone.
 
Teacher Terry said:
I’m against the death penalty. It costs us more to execute someone than it does to keep them alive for life. It’s not a deterrent to crime and we have executed a fair number of innocent people.
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You're going to have to provide a source that proves that statement. Please...
 
Teacher Terry said:
I’m against the death penalty. It costs us more to execute someone than it does to keep them alive for life. It’s not a deterrent to crime and we have executed a fair number of innocent people.
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"Costs"??? Do some research. The taxpayers pay out $50K per year to keep a person in prison....whereas pumping a killer up with a lethal drug would probably be less than $1K. The ONLY ones who benefit from our current system are the lawyers who get filthy rich filing endless appeals and dragging the process out for decades.

How Much Does It Cost To Keep a Prisoner? - Prison Inside

If a person commits a murder, and the evidence is irrefutable, and the criminal even Admits to the crime, society should have NO obligation to support them, IMO. These billions of dollars would be far better spent helping honest low income people.
 
They're saying it took 22 minutes and his body experienced convulsions before he was declared dead. How much he was actually aware of is unclear.

Heard part of the issue in executions is pharmacy companies won't sell to prisons for execution purposes. So they have to come up readily available methods of killing. Hence things like nitrogen gas
 
Capt Lightning said:
What he did was more than 'pretty cruel'. Too much sympathy for the criminal and not enough for the victims.
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I agree that what the guy did was horrible, but with Alabama choosing this method of suffocation instead of an overdose of fentanyl, it points to a certain depravity of the people who decided on it. Is that really what people want to encourage and accept in any society? Do we want to live in a world where deliberate cruelty is acceptable?
 
WhatInThe said:
They're saying it took 22 minutes and his body experienced convulsions before he was declared dead. How much he was actually aware of is unclear.

Heard part of the issue in executions is pharmacy companies won't sell to prisons for execution purposes. So they have to come up readily available methods of killing. Hence things like nitrogen gas
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That's because most pentobarbital is manufactured in Europe, and the countries won't sell to prisons any more because of the death penalty.
 
C50 said:
Where did you get that information?
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  1. Cost: Various studies have indeed found that the cost of the death penalty exceeds that of life imprisonment. For instance, a study found that death penalty cases are about 1.4 to 1.5 times more expensive than cases where the death penalty could have been sought but wasn’t1. Another study found that the cost of each execution is approximately $3.2 million, or approximately 6 times what it would cost to keep the person in prison for life2.
  2. Deterrence: The effectiveness of the death penalty as a deterrent to crime is a subject of ongoing debate. Some studies suggest that the death penalty has a strong deterrent effect, with each execution deterring between 3 and 18 murders3. However, other research indicates that the majority of Americans (63%) believe the death penalty does not deter people from committing serious crimes3.
  3. Innocence: Since 1973, at least 196 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated4. A study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences estimated that at least 4% of people on death row were and are likely innocent5.
These points highlight the complexity of the issue and the need for careful consideration and ongoing discussion. It’s important to note that views on this topic can vary greatly, and the information I provided is based on available data and does not reflect any personal opinion.
Learn more
1ballotpedia.org2ojp.gov3deathpenalty.procon.org
 
Debrah N. said:
I agree that what the guy did was horrible, but with Alabama choosing this method of suffocation instead of an overdose of fentanyl, it points to a certain depravity of the people who decided on it. Is that really what people want to encourage and accept in any society? Do we want to live in a world where deliberate cruelty is acceptable?
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Totally agree. Klonopin followed by Fentanyl seems a lot more "humane."
 
Teacher Terry said:
I’m against the death penalty. It costs us more to execute someone than it does to keep them alive for life. It’s not a deterrent to crime and we have executed a fair number of innocent people.
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True and true. Does anybody seriously think that a would-be murderer is going to stop and think: "on gosh, I better not rape and murder or else I might get executed". Of course not!

Executing innocent people in order to make sure "somebody" pays for the crime is not justifiable under any conditions.
 
 

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