Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis

chic said:
I think some people feel better wearing a mask and seeing others masked because it makes them believe they are doing something to protect themselves and others.

For myself, I've survived 13 months going everywhere maskless so I think the whole mask thing is a crock. No mask mandate, Texas and Mississippi, are doing better than many Northern mandate states.
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Sweden is another excellent example of same outcomes without masks as with them.
 

Murrmurr said:
I remember early on that specialists discovered COVID-19 starts replicating (weaponizing itself) as soon as it gets in your nose. Previous coronaviruses didn't replicate until they got in your throat, bronchials, or lungs. Soon after that discovery, those specialists and others said that, because of the nasal replication, wearing a mask was ineffective, arguing that, mask or no mask, you have to exhale, and all masks allow you to do that. But you're exhaling a live, possibly already weaponized virus. That's why coming to what is a safe distance became so important.

Also, that's why they talked about respirators and people having to wear tanks on their backs, and about the cost and practicalities of that being prohibitive.

I clearly remember this whole argument. It was pretty short-lived.
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We keep learning more everyday.
 
With all the hoopla about distancing, masking, etc., here's another contrarian voice, whose testimony to the Alberta, Edmonton city council was recorded. Assuming this is a valid person/recording, his credentials and testimony are interesting. Link is HERE.

I hope you consider this as just another data point and not some political debate or stance to be attacked and vanquished.
 
I was not able to get to your link JonDouglas. I got a message saying, "502 Bad Gateway," whatever that means. I'd be interested to hear his statement. Can you find a print version?
 
Sunny said:
I was not able to get to your link JonDouglas. I got a message saying, "502 Bad Gateway," whatever that means. I'd be interested to hear his statement. Can you find a print version?
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The link (https://www.brighteon.com/9ddc4729-ddeb-4516-86e1-2ac563ae4fb9) , which is working for me, is a recording of the doctor/ virologist's testimony. There is no text. I am guessing your browser is blocking it. If interested, suggest you try a different browser. He's basically saying what all the "experts" said early on before they changed their tune to advocate masking and distancing but gives medical reasons in layman's terms.
 
I'm not a scientist, or medical expert. So, if there is a good chance that wearing a mask, keeping socially distant, and getting vaccinated can reduce my risk of getting ill, or spreading this virus, I will continue to do so. A mask can be a minor nuisance, staying away from others in public can be a bit difficult, we got our shots with no problems. The alternatives are far worse....as the millions who have been infected, or died, should be a good "warning".
 
JonDouglas said:
With all the hoopla about distancing, masking, etc., here's another contrarian voice, whose testimony to the Alberta, Edmonton city council was recorded. Assuming this is a valid person/recording, his credentials and testimony are interesting. Link is HERE.

I hope you consider this as just another data point and not some political debate or stance to be attacked and vanquished.
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Sunny said:
I was not able to get to your link JonDouglas. I got a message saying, "502 Bad Gateway," whatever that means. I'd be interested to hear his statement. Can you find a print version?
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This video was posted and discussed very shortly after it was first released several months ago.
See post #3
https://www.seniorforums.com/thread...n-to-stop-spread-of-virus.54741/#post-1550145

Youtube has removed the video with the statement: "This video has been removed for violating YouTube's Community Guidelines."
 
JonDouglas said:
With all the hoopla about distancing, masking, etc., here's another contrarian voice, whose testimony to the Alberta, Edmonton city council was recorded. Assuming this is a valid person/recording, his credentials and testimony are interesting. Link is HERE.

I hope you consider this as just another data point and not some political debate or stance to be attacked and vanquished.
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Thanks Jon. That was great & is what I have believed for the past year. I don't think those who have fallen for this will ever be able to believe the truth of what the doctor has said. It's gone too far for them. But for those who are undecided it might be just the thing that helps them understand how much the media has created this.
 
So, I wonder who this guy is? A quack, being paid by the business interests to encourage us to hurry up and reopen? Or maybe not even a quack, he could be a very good actor.

A lot of what he says seems to go counter to what all the research has shown us. Whether or not the masks work (or at least, help) should be easy enough to prove, one way or the other. Just look at the statistics of what happens when large groups congregate indoors without masks on. Is there a sudden spike in cases of the disease, a few days later?
 
Also, something in his tone sounds a little "off." Why would a doctor be ridiculing people for wearing masks, calling them "lemmings?" Good grief, most of us are wearing masks because we are required to by law! It isn't a matter of choice, if we want to go into a building. That will probably change now, hopefully soon.

And he calls it a "bad flu." Huh? It isn't the flu, good or bad. It's a different virus. Doesn't he know that?

I am very dubious about this guy even being a doctor. He sounds a lot like the covid-deniers of a year ago, before all the deaths proved how wrong they were.
 
Sunny said:
Also, something in his tone sounds a little "off." Why would a doctor be ridiculing people for wearing masks, calling them "lemmings?" Good grief, most of us are wearing masks because we are required to by law! It isn't a matter of choice, if we want to go into a building. That will probably change now, hopefully soon.

And he calls it a "bad flu." Huh? It isn't the flu, good or bad. It's a different virus. Doesn't he know that?

I am very dubious about this guy even being a doctor. He sounds a lot like the covid-deniers of a year ago, before all the deaths proved how wrong they were.
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Well, LOL, it's probably fair to say there's some who don't like what he said. Anyway, here's what's out on the internet as his credentials.

Dr. Hodkinson is the CEO and Medical Director of MedMalDoctors. He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).​
He is in good Standing with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and has been recognized by the Court of Queen’s Bench in Alberta as an expert in pathology.​

As I said, he's a contrarian voice. Unlike what happened in Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, etc.; having opposing viewpoints is a healthy thing. Censorship is not a healthy thing and should be considered as a warning flag that something's amiss.
 
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Sunny said:
Also, something in his tone sounds a little "off." Why would a doctor be ridiculing people for wearing masks, calling them "lemmings?" Good grief, most of us are wearing masks because we are required to by law! It isn't a matter of choice, if we want to go into a building. That will probably change now, hopefully soon.

And he calls it a "bad flu." Huh? It isn't the flu, good or bad. It's a different virus. Doesn't he know that?

I am very dubious about this guy even being a doctor. He sounds a lot like the covid-deniers of a year ago, before all the deaths proved how wrong they were.
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The word flu is short for influenza - an acute contagious viral infection of humans, characterized by inflammation of the respiratory tract and by fever, chills, muscular pain, and headaches, and requires strict bed rest and even hospitalization.

Nowhere in that presentation was there a denial about the coronavirus. They questioned the sensibility of quarantining the healthy for over a year, the effectiveness of masks, and the authority of government, and I do, too. Not everyone will agree, but I won't judge.
 
Murmurr, as far as I know, the influenza virus is a different bug than the coronavirus. The symptoms may be similar, at least for younger people. For older people, it's a whole different story. But having similar symptoms doesn't mean they are the same thing.

From what I've been able to find on the internet, I get the feeling that this doctor is a bit of a loose cannon. Some of what he claimed a few months ago has been discredited. And he seems to have gone silent on the subject.
 
Sunny said:
Murmurr, as far as I know, the influenza virus is a different bug than the coronavirus. The symptoms may be similar, at least for younger people. For older people, it's a whole different story. But having similar symptoms doesn't mean they are the same thing.

From what I've been able to find on the internet, I get the feeling that this doctor is a bit of a loose cannon. Some of what he claimed a few months ago has been discredited. And he seems to have gone silent on the subject.
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I truly believe that many doctors, professionals, and scientists who dare to question current methods and theories are discredited and/or silenced even when their arguments are supported with facts and statistics.

If you look at a world map highlighting the spread of C-19 you'll see wide covid-free swaths in Africa where people are commonly given an anti-malaria drug. When well respected doctors at African hospitals argued that the dirt-cheap drug, already in production and available in large quantities, could literally prevent people from contracting the covid, they were shut down...by Pfiser. I'd like to show you proof of that, but I can't anymore; the 3 websites where I found articles about it have taken the articles down. Basically, those doctors asked Big Pharm to fund the required studies, and not only did Big Pharm say no, they publicly embarrassed the doctors at a congressional hearing.
 
Murrmurr said:
I truly believe that many doctors, professionals, and scientists who dare to question current methods and theories are discredited and/or silenced even when their arguments are supported with facts and statistics.

If you look at a world map highlighting the spread of C-19 you'll see wide covid-free swaths in Africa where people are commonly given an anti-malaria drug. When well respected doctors at African hospitals argued that the dirt-cheap drug, already in production and available in large quantities, could literally prevent people from contracting the covid, they were shut down...by Pfiser. I'd like to show you proof of that, but I can't anymore; the 3 websites where I found articles about it have taken the articles down. Basically, those doctors asked Big Pharm to fund the required studies, and not only did Big Pharm say no, they publicly embarrassed the doctors at a congressional hearing.
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As I recall, the anti-malaria drug you are referring to was open source, no longer protected by patents and, thus, not not the great revenue generator. If my recollection is bad, let me know. Also, when you see one party trying to embarrass, slander or denigrate another, you can almost be assured there's money, power or ego at stake, not righteousness. I believer Socrates said something about that.
 
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We are inundated daily by millions of viruses around us. Some good and some bad. We all carry a ton of viruses within our own bodies and if we have a DNA that produces good cells, we express them to fight off cancers and the like. Not all are so fortunate, sadly, and the media seems to have jumped on those less fortunates to exploit the statistics. The constant swabbing in various health facilities where there is no longer any evidence of COVID raises suspicions. It would seem as though a lot of money is being spent in the name of a search for statistics. So it is with COVID or any other virus causing disease. Some will win and others not. Vaccinations will help some. If a person is comfortable wearing a mask, I say, go for it. Cannot hurt anyone around them at all.
 

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