Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis

It would be interesting to know what percentage of new covid cases are people who've already been vaccinated. I read one report that it's up to 60% but valid statistics are hard to come by these days, as is knowing who's really sponsoring or pushing what.
 

JonDouglas said:
It would be interesting to know what percentage of new covid cases are people who've already been vaccinated. I read one report that it's up to 60% but valid statistics are hard to come by these days, as is knowing who's really sponsoring or pushing what.
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Somehow I find that hard to believe, Jon. Maybe they tested positive for carrying it, but a full blown case? Unless, of course, they received faulty vaccine which changes the picture entirely.
 
Lewkat said:
Somehow I find that hard to believe, Jon. Maybe they tested positive for carrying it, but a full blown case? Unless, of course, they received faulty vaccine which changes the picture entirely.
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Should it be true that, say, the vaccine is only 50 percent effective (e.g. how effective was regular flu vaccine?), it would be a good bet the folks in charge won't tell you, lest people stop taking it.
 

JonDouglas said:
As I recall, the anti-malaria drug you are referring to was open source, no longer protected by patents and, thus, not not the great revenue generator. If my recollection is bad, let me know. Also, when you see one party trying to embarrass, slander or denigrate another, you can almost be assured there's money, power or ego at stake, not righteousness. I believer Socrates said something about that.
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You are correct.
 
Lewkat said:
Somehow I find that hard to believe, Jon. Maybe they tested positive for carrying it, but a full blown case? Unless, of course, they received faulty vaccine which changes the picture entirely.
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It's well publicized that vaccinated people can still get covid, and that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid but protects most of us from having the most serious symptoms. If the injection prevented you from getting covid, it would be called an immunization, not a vaccine.
 
Murrmurr said:
It's well publicized that vaccinated people can still get covid, and that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid but protects most of us from having the most serious symptoms. If the injection prevented you from getting covid, it would be called an immunization, not a vaccine.
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COVID vaccines: The mystery of “breakthrough” infections after shots​


CDC reports 5,800 COVID-19 infections, 74 deaths in fully vaccinated people​


https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/04...ections-74-deaths-in-fully-vaccinated-people/
 
Becky1951 said:

COVID vaccines: The mystery of “breakthrough” infections after shots​


CDC reports 5,800 COVID-19 infections, 74 deaths in fully vaccinated people​


https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/04...ections-74-deaths-in-fully-vaccinated-people/
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After I clicked *No Thanks* on a subscription offer, I got redirected to another page, so I had like 3 seconds to read the article. I think it said that the 5,800 covid infections is .00074% of the people who got vaccinated. And then there's the 74 deaths.

The first 2 times my grandmother got a flu shot, she got the flu that year. She stopped going in for flu shots. I've never had a flu shot, and when my doctor asked if I wanted one a couple years ago I said no. She told me that's ok because, in general, flu shots start losing effectiveness in people over 65 anyway, and they're less effective the older you get.
 
asp3 said:
The original article is a health hypothesis, not a formal study. I found one good criticism of the article here:

https://www.amgenbiotechexperience.com/seeing-not-necessarily-believing

And another analysis of the article listing it as false.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...l-hypotheses-journal-article-lacks-evidence-/
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The one about face masks?

tsk. This is why I don't have a strong opinion either way about masks. If the sign says wear one, I do. It's just not a big deal, I take it off soon as I get outside. I don't wear one at my youngest son's house but I do at my oldest son's house because he asked me to - his wife has severe diabetes and is very afraid of covid, and I love her very much. When someone knocks on my door I look through the peep hole and if it's the apt manager, I put on a mask because she prefers it, if it's a neighbor or one of their kids, I don't unless they're wearing one. I don't wear one when I go for walks.

Whether I wear a mask or not has had no impact; I haven't gotten covid. Whether that's because I got vaccinated I'm not certain. I've dealt with the mask issue the same way since they were first recommended over a year ago, and I got the second jab only a couple months ago. A couple months ago is when the new strain was being talked about, so there's that.

I'm gonna keep doing what I've been doing where masks are concerned. I keep some in my car and a couple of them on a table next to my front door.
 
asp3 said:
The original article is a health hypothesis, not a formal study. I found one good criticism of the article here:

https://www.amgenbiotechexperience.com/seeing-not-necessarily-believing

And another analysis of the article listing it as false.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...l-hypotheses-journal-article-lacks-evidence-/
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Thanks for doing the legwork for us. It smelled like bunk when I read it. Surgeons have been wearing surgical masks for hours on end, five or six long shifts a week, year in and year out, for many decades. If ever there were canaries in the mask coal mines, it would have been them.
 
Murrmurr said:
The one about face masks?

tsk. This is why I don't have a strong opinion either way about masks. If the sign says wear one, I do. It's just not a big deal, I take it off soon as I get outside. I don't wear one at my youngest son's house but I do at my oldest son's house because he asked me to - his wife has severe diabetes and is very afraid of covid, and I love her very much. When someone knocks on my door I look through the peep hole and if it's the apt manager, I put on a mask because she prefers it, if it's a neighbor or one of their kids, I don't unless they're wearing one. I don't wear one when I go for walks.

Whether I wear a mask or not has had no impact; I haven't gotten covid. Whether that's because I got vaccinated I'm not certain. I've dealt with the mask issue the same way since they were first recommended over a year ago, and I got the second jab only a couple months ago. A couple months ago is when the new strain was being talked about, so there's that.

I'm gonna keep doing what I've been doing where masks are concerned. I keep some in my car and a couple of them on a table next to my front door.
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Yes, it is about the original article posted by the OP.
 
JonDouglas said:
It would be interesting to know what percentage of new covid cases are people who've already been vaccinated. I read one report that it's up to 60% but valid statistics are hard to come by these days, as is knowing who's really sponsoring or pushing what.
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I completely agree Jon
 
JonDouglas said:
It would be interesting to know what percentage of new covid cases are people who've already been vaccinated. I read one report that it's up to 60% but valid statistics are hard to come by these days, as is knowing who's really sponsoring or pushing what.
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Can you give us the source of the report that said that, Jon? You are right, we all do read all sorts of nonsense, and we have to use our own common sense in deciding what to believe.
 

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