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Arkansas, and also Florida
So I guess there's truth here.

San Francisco has implemented strict mask mandates and has one of the highest vaccination rates in the nation as 70% of residents are fully vaccinated.
San Francisco just tied its highest-ever case rate.
Are we ever going to deal with the uncomfortable truth?

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Not everyone wants to deal with an uncomfortable truth, so they create their own reality. There are a few reasons for that.
Some don't want to acknowledge anything that weakens their faith.
Some are content to let others do their thinking for them.
Some have medical professionals in their families & want to show their support for them by not contradicting or criticizing anything they say.
Some have a "Hero Worship" complex for the Fauci's & Ferrer's & anyone with capital letters after their name.
 
Someone in another forum asked an interesting question.

"Has anyone noticed that after all the news articles pushing the vaccine due to the Delta variant and scaring people into being vaccinated, there is now a higher surge of Covid, after so many were vaccinated"

Well I hadn't noticed but.....it does seem that way after thinking about it.

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Becky1951 said:
Someone in another forum asked an interesting question.

"Has anyone noticed that after all the news articles pushing the vaccine due to the Delta variant and scaring people into being vaccinated, there is now a higher surge of Covid, after so many were vaccinated"

Well I hadn't noticed but.....it does seem that way after thinking about it.

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The fools getting the virus are the ones that are not vaccinated. This Delta version is transmitted via aerosol versus by droplets like the original. That means tighter fitting masks makes sense. You also left out the rising numbers of people that have changed their minds and are now getting the vaccine.
 
"The fools getting the virus are the ones that are not vaccinated."

This is just so far, there are several more states, towns that have a smaller count so far.

Yes of course it's only the unvaccinated fools. 🙄

79 fully vaccinated died.

https://www-bostonglobe-com.cdn.amp...id-cases-vaccinated-people-is-incredibly-low/

31 fully vaccinated have died

https://fox17-com.cdn.ampproject.or...ent-says-breakthrough-case-virus-coronavirus-

79 fully vaccinated have died

https://www-bostonglobe-com.cdn.amp...3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

CDC says roughly 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough infections after vaccination​


Or died? Can't they tell the difference?

https://www-bostonglobe-com.cdn.amp...3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Nearly 400 people have been hospitalized and 100 have now died in Massachusetts

https://www-nbcboston-com.cdn.amppr...-cases-in-massachusetts-what-we-know/2457920/
 
fmdog44 said:
The fools getting the virus are the ones that are not vaccinated.
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Not true. Vaccinated cases tend mostly (but there are exceptions) to be milder and less deadly, but the percent of hospitalizations has changed from 98% unvaccinated to 85% unvaccinated locally over the past couple of weeks. TPTB made a grievous error in not honestly stating from the first that vaccinated individuals with mild cases could spread the Delta variant. They lagged by nearly a month (while surely knowing) in admitting that vaccinated, infected people could spread the virus and needed to resume wearing masks. The Provincetown MA outbreak busted them and they were forced to admit it.

There has never been an effective vaccine against any coronavirus and what's currently available is not going to eradicate the disease. It may mitigate severity now, but more variants will emerge. The Delta variant originated in India where overpopulation and malnutrition are prevalent; there are plenty more areas of the underdeveloped world with similar conditions that are the perfect incubators for mutation.

Provincetown MA data from the CDC

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During July 2021, 469 cases of COVID-19 associated with multiple summer events and large public gatherings in a town in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, were identified among Massachusetts residents; vaccination coverage among eligible Massachusetts residents was 69%. Approximately three quarters (346; 74%) of cases occurred in fully vaccinated persons (those who had completed a 2-dose course of mRNA vaccine [Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna] ... Overall, 274 (79%) vaccinated patients with breakthrough infection were symptomatic. Among five COVID-19 patients who were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated...​
 
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fmdog44 said:
The fools getting the virus are the ones that are not vaccinated. This Delta version is transmitted via aerosol versus by droplets like the original. That means tighter fitting masks makes sense. You also left out the rising numbers of people that have changed their minds and are now getting the vaccine.
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The fools are the ones with their heads in the sand, who don't want to hear what they don't want to believe.
 
John cycling said:
The biggest vaccine skeptics are the vaccinated people still afraid they'll get sick. :ROFLMAO:
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John, I usually don't waste time answering your nonsense, or even reading it for that matter. But I did just come across your statement above, and it's got to be the most ridiculous statement ever made on the subject, certainly among the top ten.

Where I live, virtually everyone has been vaccinated, except for a very small number with medical conditions that don't allow it. And they are worried. Everybody else has said repeatedly how protected they feel, having gotten the vaccine. The only "skepticism" is the suspicion that the anti-vaxxers are too stubborn to admit that they have backed the wrong horse.

Read the statistics, John. Nearly all (in the 99% category) deaths and serious complications are happening to the unvaccinated. And your refusal to accept the plain, honest truth is like someone repeatedly proclaiming that the earth is flat.

Have you seen the videos on TV showing victims of this disease, hopefully recovering but having been through hell, literally begging everyone to get vaccinated? "I just didn't get around to it. What a mistake! Don't make the same mistake I did." These are not actors and the videos are real. Even their names are given. Seeing a big, strapping, middle-aged man hooked up to all kinds of tubes and machines, barely able to gasp out a few words, is heartbreaking.

Fortunately, you and your cohorts are a shrinking minority (even on this forum), as more and more people are finally seeing the light and getting vaccinated. It took them long enough, but better late than never.

BTW, the death numbers seem to be going up again. But they are overwhelmingly among the unvaccinated.
 
Pretty obvious the rise started up again when the mask mandate was lifted. As long as there is a significant portion of the population who have not gotten the vaccine, the numbers will climb, especially among those not vaccinated. And the virus has the opportunity to mutate to even more dangerous variants.

Now we're hearing that more and more children are in the hospital with Covid. Once again because of adults making poor choices, the children will suffer.
 
Oh, gosh, yet another Covid thread 🤦🏻‍♀️😂.

Everyone has the right to DIE in their own way and their own time. Death by COVID-19 is as good a way to go as any other for those with a death wish. After all many people still refuse to wear seat belts, and die horrible deaths as well.

I wear my seat belt. I am now, once again, wearing a mask indoors. I’ve got every vaccine needed for my age group. But, I can still slip on a banana peel, hit my head, and die on the sidewalk. I have decided not to wear a football helmet to avoid this fate.

So, don’t wear a mask, don’t get vaccinated, and don’t follow anyone’s confusing medical advice. The population of the world is still too large so decreasing the surplus by any means possible might be what Mother Nature, GOD, and, possibly, the Chinese bats 😂😂😂 had in mind when they passed this disease on to the human race.

I only ask that you remember me in your wills. I’ll take your money 😍. Leave your stuff to deb, she likes yard sales. 🥰
 
I had a conversation with a young friend yesterday. She is the mother of a soon to be two year old. She, her husband and her parents live in the same house and the parents run a used car business. Somehow the father was infected at work and then everyone in the household became infected, including the little one. My friend and her father were hospitalised and although everyone is now testing negative they are still feeling quite ill from the after effects. My friend has been on extended maternity leave and is still unfit to return to work.

No-one in this family was vaccinated because our rollout has been very slow. The controversy about Astra Zeneca didn't help and Pfizer was in short supply. Vaccine was doled out using a priority rating based on highest vulnerability and younger adults and children were last in line.

Right now we are seeing a new wave in my state as the virus escapes the city and starts to manifest in country towns. This is a big problem because regional centres do not have nearly enough hospitals equipped to deal with Covid. Vaccine allocated to the regions was diverted to Sydney when all of a sudden the government urged everyone regardless of age to get the jab. The virus has a way of finding unvaccinated hosts.

Meanwhile Sydney is now in the 7th week of lockdown with no chance of it lifting before the end of this month. No guarantee either that it won't be extended into September. The new cases numbers are growing although not yet exponentially. Deaths are confined to the unvaccinated. Masks are mandated for everyone outside of our homes.

Until 70-80% of the population is fully vaccinated we will just have to put up with unpleasant restrictions and economic damage. It is estimated that because of our slow beginning this cannot be achieved before mid November at the earliest. The government is begging people to get vaccinated but there is quite a wait for appointments at mass vaccination centres. I'm not talking about hours; it can take weeks to get an appointment.

You are so lucky in America. You have plenty of vaccine. IMO you should be grateful to have the opportunity, not only to save American lives, but also to prevent a great deal of unnecessary sickness.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Oh, gosh, yet another Covid thread 🤦🏻‍♀️😂.

Everyone has the right to DIE in their own way and their own time. Death by COVID-19 is as good a way to go as any other for those with a death wish. After all many people still refuse to wear seat belts, and die horrible deaths as well.

I wear my seat belt. I am now, once again, wearing a mask indoors. I’ve got every vaccine needed for my age group. But, I can still slip on a banana peel, hit my head, and die on the sidewalk. I have decided not to wear a football helmet to avoid this fate.

So, don’t wear a mask, don’t get vaccinated, and don’t follow anyone’s confusing medical advice. The population of the world is still too large so decreasing the surplus by any means possible might be what Mother Nature, GOD, and, possibly, the Chinese bats 😂😂😂 had in mind when they passed this disease on to the human race.

I only ask that you remember me in your wills. I’ll take your money 😍. Leave your stuff to deb, she likes yard sales. 🥰
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Your making the assumption that everyone not vaccinated in the world will definitely get Covid and die. There are plenty that have had Covid and survived and now have natural immunity.
 
Warrigal said:
I had a conversation with a young friend yesterday. She is the mother of a soon to be two year old. She, her husband and her parents live in the same house and the parents run a used car business. Somehow the father was infected at work and then everyone in the household became infected, including the little one. My friend and her father were hospitalised and although everyone is now testing negative they are still feeling quite ill from the after effects. My friend has been on extended maternity leave and is still unfit to return to work.

No-one in this family was vaccinated because our rollout has been very slow. The controversy about Astra Zeneca didn't help and Pfizer was in short supply. Vaccine was doled out using a priority rating based on highest vulnerability and younger adults and children were last in line.

Right now we are seeing a new wave in my state as the virus escapes the city and starts to manifest in country towns. This is a big problem because regional centres do not have nearly enough hospitals equipped to deal with Covid. Vaccine allocated to the regions was diverted to Sydney when all of a sudden the government urged everyone regardless of age to get the jab. The virus has a way of finding unvaccinated hosts.

Meanwhile Sydney is now in the 7th week of lockdown with no chance of it lifting before the end of this month. No guarantee either that it won't be extended into September. The new cases numbers are growing although not yet exponentially. Deaths are confined to the unvaccinated. Masks are mandated for everyone outside of our homes.

Until 70-80% of the population is fully vaccinated we will just have to put up with unpleasant restrictions and economic damage. It is estimated that because of our slow beginning this cannot be achieved before mid November at the earliest. The government is begging people to get vaccinated but there is quite a wait for appointments at mass vaccination centres. I'm not talking about hours; it can take weeks to get an appointment.

You are so lucky in America. You have plenty of vaccine. IMO you should be grateful to have the opportunity, not only to save American lives, but also to prevent a great deal of unnecessary sickness.
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Remember,We did not have plenty in the beginning and lots of us died, and lots of us got sick
 
 
Aneeda72 said:
Wow, ten out of how many thousands of vaccinated people? Please give the complete numbers.
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79 fully vaccinated died.

https://www-bostonglobe-com.cdn.amp...id-cases-vaccinated-people-is-incredibly-low/

31 fully vaccinated have died

https://fox17-com.cdn.ampproject.or...ent-says-breakthrough-case-virus-coronavirus-

79 fully vaccinated have died

https://www-bostonglobe-com.cdn.amp...3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

CDC says roughly 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough infections after vaccination​

Or died? Can't they tell the difference?

https://www-bostonglobe-com.cdn.amp...3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Nearly 400 people have been hospitalized and 100 have now died in Massachusetts

https://www-nbcboston-com.cdn.amppr...-cases-in-massachusetts-what-we-know/2457920/


Just since I posted about Massachusetts yesterday, today they added another additional 6 fully vaccinated have died from Covid. Numbers are slowly rising.

106 Fully Vaccinated People Have Died From COVID in Mass. Now its 106, 6 new fully vaccinated people have died from Covid, the numbers are rising and this is just in one state

https://www-nbcboston-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcboston.com/news/coronavirus/100-fully-vaccinated-people-have-died-from-covid-in-mass/2463080/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16286904577047&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcboston.com%2Fnews%2Fcoronavirus%2F100-fully-vaccinated-people-have-died-from-covid-in-mass%2F2463080%2F
 
Becky1951 said:
Your making the assumption that everyone not vaccinated in the world will definitely get Covid and die. There are plenty that have had Covid and survived and now have natural immunity.
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NO @Becky 1951, you are the one making assumptions.

I am not making any assumptions since my daughter, her husband, and the baby all got Covid and my son and his girlfriend got Covid. None of them are dead. They are all now fully vaccinated. Natural immunity last less than 6 months from what I read and what the kids were told.

None of them have long Covid issues. All are now masking up. Delta is nasty and extremely contagious.

I have simply volunteered to take any money that is left behind by those no longer needing it-the dead. I am a good samaritan. I will clean up the money which is, after all, just paper. I will recycle that paper in order to save room in a land fill 😂😂😂.
 
Scientists know that anecdotal data is unreliable so I am trying to find data that compares actual death rates from Covid in vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

While I search for the stats I offer this article for consideration.

99% of COVID deaths are now of unvaccinated people, experts say​

With the delta variant running rampant in the US, COVID cases are on the rise in what is now a "pandemic of the unvaccinated," the CDC says.

COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths are rising again as the extremely contagious delta variant of the coronavirus takes hold as the dominant strain in the US. In some parts of the country, there are more hospitalizations and cases of COVID than there were last winter, the peak of the pandemic.

The vast majority of people being hospitalized with COVID and dying from the disease haven't been fully vaccinated, according to public health officials. More than 97% of hospitalizations from COVID right now are of unvaccinated people, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, said at a press briefing Friday, adding: "There is a clear message that is coming through: This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated." In early July, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the president's chief medical advisor, told CBS that 99.2% of COVID deaths are now of unvaccinated people.

In Texas, 99.5% of people who died from COVID from February through July 14 weren't vaccinated, per the Texas Tribune's reporting on preliminary data from the Texas Department of State Health Services. (Vaccines became available to adults in the state at the end of March. At-risk people were able to get them sooner.) In southern Missouri, an area that leads the nation as a delta variant hot spot, "almost every COVID-19 patient in Springfield's hospitals is unvaccinated," the Atlantic reported. The dozen or so that were vaccinated, according to the report, were elderly or immunocompromised -- people for whom studies have shown vaccines are likely not as effective.

Scott Gottlieb, head of the Food and Drug Administration during the Trump administration, told CBS Sunday that the delta variant of the coronavirus is so contagious that most people will get it if they haven't been vaccinated or previously infected with COVID.

"And for most people who get this delta variant, it's going to be the most serious virus that they get in their lifetime in terms of the risk of putting them in the hospital," Gottlieb said.

There is more information re adverse effects of the various vaccines here: 99% of COVID deaths are now of unvaccinated people, experts say (cnet.com)
 
Warrigal said:
Scientists know that anecdotal data is unreliable so I am trying to find data that compares actual death rates from Covid in vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

While I search for the stats I offer this article for consideration.

99% of COVID deaths are now of unvaccinated people, experts say​

With the delta variant running rampant in the US, COVID cases are on the rise in what is now a "pandemic of the unvaccinated," the CDC says.

COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths are rising again as the extremely contagious delta variant of the coronavirus takes hold as the dominant strain in the US. In some parts of the country, there are more hospitalizations and cases of COVID than there were last winter, the peak of the pandemic.

The vast majority of people being hospitalized with COVID and dying from the disease haven't been fully vaccinated, according to public health officials. More than 97% of hospitalizations from COVID right now are of unvaccinated people, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, said at a press briefing Friday, adding: "There is a clear message that is coming through: This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated." In early July, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the president's chief medical advisor, told CBS that 99.2% of COVID deaths are now of unvaccinated people.

In Texas, 99.5% of people who died from COVID from February through July 14 weren't vaccinated, per the Texas Tribune's reporting on preliminary data from the Texas Department of State Health Services. (Vaccines became available to adults in the state at the end of March. At-risk people were able to get them sooner.) In southern Missouri, an area that leads the nation as a delta variant hot spot, "almost every COVID-19 patient in Springfield's hospitals is unvaccinated," the Atlantic reported. The dozen or so that were vaccinated, according to the report, were elderly or immunocompromised -- people for whom studies have shown vaccines are likely not as effective.

Scott Gottlieb, head of the Food and Drug Administration during the Trump administration, told CBS Sunday that the delta variant of the coronavirus is so contagious that most people will get it if they haven't been vaccinated or previously infected with COVID.

"And for most people who get this delta variant, it's going to be the most serious virus that they get in their lifetime in terms of the risk of putting them in the hospital," Gottlieb said.

There is more information re adverse effects of the various vaccines here: 99% of COVID deaths are now of unvaccinated people, experts say (cnet.com)
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This is what I keep hearing. Our daughter lives in El Paso, Texas. El Paso is 70% vaccinated and Covid cases are low there. I am a bit nervous traveling, but I am going. Have masks will travel 😁
 
CarolfromTX said:
A majority of the people in my county are vaccinated. Except of course for the thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants who are pouring across the border, untested, not masked, quite possibly COVID positive and shipped across the state.
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Why not just claim millions are pouring across the border?

Cause the entire world wants to gain access to the USA. Besides, the fact that we could use the farm workers, landscapers, kitchen workers, etc. it just is not true. Or, 😂, were you just listening in on the conversation I just had with my older half sister who believes the same thing, kind of?

She believes she is no long safe in her small town because thousands and thousands of people are moving there from, OMG, California. And not the good Californians; but the BAD Californias. The people of color Californians. The lower class scum Californians, the rapists and robbers and the drug addict Californians, the poor Californians-all moving to her small town in Oklahoma.

And bringing the virus. RUN! SISTER RUN! 😂😂😂
 

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