Fast food employees

tnthomas said:
Their mama is a schnauzer and the daddy is a fast talkin Pomeranian. :)
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excellent mix, which I prefer:) I had a peke, pom, malt & shz tsu, supposedly that was her heritage, lol! Best of dogs:) A house isn't a home without a dog, for me anyway;)
 
Debby said:
I think these days, that argument just doesn't work. In the province I live in, it isn't unusual at all to see 65 year olds working full time flipping burgers at McDonalds or cashiering at Walmart because they can't afford to retire. The concept you mention works if the community is vibrant enough that only the teenagers are taking those jobs and then you could consider them entry level jobs. But in a depressed area it's all ages who are forced to accept those minimum wage jobs and they need to live too.
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Oh, I totally agree. That was just the standard rejoinder in most of these discussions.
 

Debby said:
I think these days, that argument just doesn't work. In the province I live in, it isn't unusual at all to see 65 year olds working full time flipping burgers at McDonalds or cashiering at Walmart because they can't afford to retire. The concept you mention works if the community is vibrant enough that only the teenagers are taking those jobs and then you could consider them entry level jobs. But in a depressed area it's all ages who are forced to accept those minimum wage jobs and they need to live too.
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So these 65 year olds have been flipping burgers all their lives and never got a raise? Or maybe they left higher paying jobs without having good plans for retirement. If they couldn't afford to retire they should keep working at their original jobs.


Looking at the protestors holding the $15 minimum wage signs, I see mostly youngsters.
 
You make a good point RK. I think most of the older folks I see working at Mickey D's or other fast-food, have gone "back" to work and are usually retired from other types of work. And also, some that just want something to do. I guess they can still force you to retire? Someone's saying "yeah, fire them", arggggggg!
 
rkunsaw said:
So these 65 year olds have been flipping burgers all their lives and never got a raise? Or maybe they left higher paying jobs without having good plans for retirement. If they couldn't afford to retire they should keep working at their original jobs.
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That's not always an option, though. Especially when 1/3 of the country is unemployed. They all didn't decide to leave their jobs one day.


Looking at the protestors holding the $15 minimum wage signs, I see mostly youngsters.
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Yeah, those damned kids!

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nwlady said:
You make a good point RK. I think most of the older folks I see working at Mickey D's or other fast-food, have gone "back" to work and are usually retired from other types of work. And also, some that just want something to do. I guess they can still force you to retire? Someone's saying "yeah, fire them", arggggggg!
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Yes, that's exactly what happens - restructuring and downsizing forced many near retirement age employees to take small buyout packages if they are lucky, or just plain laid off with no package if not so lucky. They take low paying jobs to make ends meet and/or to keep active.
 
Cookie said:
Yes, that's exactly what happens - restructuring and downsizing forced many near retirement age employees to take small buyout packages if they are lucky, or just plain laid off with no package if not so lucky. They take low paying jobs to make ends meet and/or to keep active.
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I know that happened for me at Intel, but it was in the 90s, so it still goes on:( What a crock:(
 
Yup, I was downsized in 2009 - given a severance package and shown the door. In some industries (IT) employees are escorted out immediately by security guards. I wasn't eligible for EI (employment insurance) until the severence money ran out. Ended up taking a crappy low paying office job, but working conditions were so bad I quit after a few months.
 
I was an admin assist, but yes, I was escorted out. Talk about insult to injury, like I was a criminal. Ok, just for spite I smuggled out a paperclip, no wait, he gave me that on my severence, and 401k paperwork, hah! Would you believe I never got another decent job. Not for more than 3 months. Some were through temp agencies, but 2, what I thought, were going to be real keepers, told me after 30 days it wasn't a good match.

I'm a good worker, always on time etc., but many times (and I knew it) I was hired into jobs I really thought I could do, but knew it was going to be a struggle because of my lack of experience. I got a lot done for some, cleaned it up, straightened up their accounts and poof, next thing I knew it was bye bye. But they were careful never to promise, which was smart on their part.
 
I understand completely, because much the same happened to me. Needless to say, I became very disillusioned with the whole employment 'game' and glad I'm out. Much of the same is still going on with people I know - very brutal out there nowadays. I had so many jobs, some through agencies, some permanent - some fun, some terrible.

It's no wonder people in fast food industry and low wage jobs are unhappy - it really is a 'doggy dog world'.:)
 
Back in the day, people get a job in highschool, and even get hired on permanent, work there all their life. Times are sure changing:( I thought I would be "in like Flint" at Intel, was so danged excited to get hired there, fresh out of biz college, nope, and I was using temp agencies so much I decided to see America. I could go anywhere almost and work for temps, so that part was neat, doesn't help on benefits or SS that's for sure, oh well, water under the bridge;) I've had fun in spite, met lots of cool people and still meeting them;)
 
Those sound like good times, Denise. Things really have changed, it used to be so easy to get work, but now as an older person, I'd be lucky to get a job as a store clerk, so I don't bother, luckily because I don't really have to, but if I did, I would. :)
 
I hear you Cookie, as long as I can make it (and I don't require much to be happy) with a roof that don't leak, and indoor plumbin, I'll be content;) Oh yeah, plus internet, plus a new, hidden object game once in awhile, oh yeah, and a new book to read, and soap, got to have soap, LOL!!
 
Seattle’s $15 minimum wage has claimed its first casualty… and the union-driven, completely arbitrary policy has yet to be implemented. Cascade Designs, an outdoor recreational gear manufacturing company, announced it is moving 100 jobs (20% of the workforce) later this year from Seattle to a new plant it is leasing near Reno, Nevada.

Founder John Burroughs and son David Burroughs (Vice Chair) said that Seattle’s $15 minimum wage “nudged them into action.” Burroughs wants to keep production in the United States, though the company does have a plant in Ireland. Burroughs said Seattle’s new minimum wage would “eventually add up to a few million dollars a year.”
 
My original point was trying to point out that about 60% of those fast food workers are not even worth what they are being paid. and they will never progress any further.

So what happens when they force a higher min wage??? Their job will be replaced with a computer screen. You walk in, touch screen what you want, swipe your card, and presto!!

They are getting real close to being phased out.

Gene
 
darroll said:
Seattle’s $15 minimum wage has claimed its first casualty… and the union-driven, completely arbitrary policy has yet to be implemented. Cascade Designs, an outdoor recreational gear manufacturing company, announced it is moving 100 jobs (20% of the workforce) later this year from Seattle to a new plant it is leasing near Reno, Nevada.

Founder John Burroughs and son David Burroughs (Vice Chair) said that Seattle’s $15 minimum wage “nudged them into action.” Burroughs wants to keep production in the United States, though the company does have a plant in Ireland. Burroughs said Seattle’s new minimum wage would “eventually add up to a few million dollars a year.”
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Wow, that's high for a minimum wage, I thought Oregon was high, geesh! Well, they need to figure a better way, lower the cost of living,LOL! That sounds easy, LOL!!
 
GeneMO said:
My original point was trying to point out that about 60% of those fast food workers are not even worth what they are being paid. and they will never progress any further.

So what happens when they force a higher min wage??? Their job will be replaced with a computer screen. You walk in, touch screen what you want, swipe your card, and presto!!

They are getting real close to being phased out.

Gene
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I understand where you are coming from Gene, really, the work ethic is just not what it used to be, although all through time there's been those not willing to work. You are right, I think, with more and more jobs being replaced with computers/machines. It's already going on, and I guess "has been" if I think about those old-fashioned places where people just bought there lunch out of a place that had those little doors you'd open and get your soup or whatever? I've seen them in movies.

Customer Service is becoming a thing of the past. People are already trading it in for cheaper goods, like at Walmart. Our little stores (small biz) are just empty buildings in my area, many of them anyway. Rarely find a "mom and pop". I am getting more afraid to eat at all restaurants, especially fast-food as the attitudes are so bad god knows what they are cooking for people. I know, the food-police are checking to make sure we are safe, whatever.
 
One of the problems to raising the minimum wage is that if you raise it, then you are going to have to raise wages for people above it, too. I mean, if the minimum wage goes up to $15, everybody now making that at an "above minimum wage" job will demand a raise, too. If I were a secretary making $15 and suddenly burger flippers were making what I was making, I'd sure want more money because my job wasn't a minimum wage job. I think that raising the minimum wage to $15 would force a lot of small businesses out of business, and thus people out of jobs, at least where I live. Here a beginning paralegal makes about $15, and her skills are certainly worth more than a burger flipper's.
 
Butterfly said:
... Here a beginning paralegal makes about $15, and her skills are certainly worth more than a burger flipper's.
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Not to someone who is starving. :p

Seriously, I've always said the same thing. It's like the guy who is stuck in grid-lock traffic and starts blowing his horn and revving his engine - full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. He'll only move as far as the rest of the traffic moves.
 
Here a beginning paralegal makes about $15, and her skills are certainly worth more than a burger flipper's
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True. Companies don't hire people just for the fun of it. They hire people to do work that needs to be done to keep the company in business and making a profit. The pay a person receives depends on what skills a person has to offer and how those skills benefit the company.

As in the quote above, a beginning paralegal makes $15. That is a beginning wage for that particular skill. A more experienced paralegal would make more.

A beginning unskilled worker makes minimum wage. As that worker gains some skills that benefit the company his pay will go up. If the minimum wage is too high that unskilled worker won't be a benefit to the company.

If a company is forced to pay unskilled workers more than the company can benefit from, the company will be forced to either hire less people or not give deserved raises to skilled workers. Either way the company will suffer and in some cases may go out of business.
 
rkunsaw said:
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True. Companies don't hire people just for the fun of it. They hire people to do work that needs to be done to keep the company in business and making a profit. The pay a person receives depends on what skills a person has to offer and how those skills benefit the company.

As in the quote above, a beginning paralegal makes $15. That is a beginning wage for that particular skill. A more experienced paralegal would make more.

A beginning unskilled worker makes minimum wage. As that worker gains some skills that benefit the company his pay will go up. If the minimum wage is too high that unskilled worker won't be a benefit to the company.

If a company is forced to pay unskilled workers more than the company can benefit from, the company will be forced to either hire less people or not give deserved raises to skilled workers. Either way the company will suffer and in some cases may go out of business.
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I see your point totally RK, but that perverbial rock and a hard place. How does a person get skills without getting hired, and then, if he does happen to be trying to support a family what is going to happen to them. I don't see an answer to this except welfare, and I just gotta believe there is another way but things are such a mess, times have changed, for the worse it looks like to me:(
 

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