Faulty Bra Holster

Your statistics, not ours.
Are you counting the gun deaths in homes under the correct category?
 

Not sorry at all.

The humour on this thread has been amusing until you stop and think about the reality that lies beneath.
The reaction to this death has been quite revealing in that it has only provoked mirth.
Concern and compassion for the dead woman have not been apparent.

Senseless deaths like this one should provide opportunities to learn something that might prevent similar future events.
When it comes to firearms deaths it would seem that many Americans don't see them as tragedies, just acceptable statistics.

A lot of the rest of the world thinks that you are all barking mad.

No, I'm not sorry I brought this up. I like to see how people think about this issue.
The responses make me all the more resolute that I don't want to see my society go down the same path towards an armed citizenry.
To me freedom is being able to go about your daily business without worrying about being confronted by hostile nutters with concealed guns.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Senseless deaths like this one should provide opportunities to learn something that might prevent similar future events.
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Okay - don't allow women to own guns.

When it comes to firearms deaths it would seem that many Americans don't see them as tragedies, just acceptable statistics.
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9/11 was a tragedy.

The Hindenburg was a tragedy.

The Titanic was a tragedy.

In ANY endeavor there is always a certain risk. I believe that the stats reveal an acceptable risk.

A lot of the rest of the world thinks that you are all barking mad.
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Good - if they think that maybe they'll stay in their own countries instead of coming here.

To me freedom is being able to go about your daily business without worrying about being confronted by hostile nutters with concealed guns.
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And yet ... your country has, I believe, experienced a few shootings. Your idea of self-defense is to just stand there like a deer in the headlights and allow them to shoot you?
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Not sorry at all.

The humour on this thread has been amusing until you stop and think about the reality that lies beneath.
The reaction to this death has been quite revealing in that it has only provoked mirth.
Concern and compassion for the dead woman have not been apparent.

Senseless deaths like this one should provide opportunities to learn something that might prevent similar future events.
When it comes to firearms deaths it would seem that many Americans don't see them as tragedies, just acceptable statistics.

A lot of the rest of the world thinks that you are all barking mad.

No, I'm not sorry I brought this up. I like to see how people think about this issue.
The responses make me all the more resolute that I don't want to see my society go down the same path towards an armed citizenry.
To me freedom is being able to go about your daily business without worrying about being confronted by hostile nutters with concealed guns.
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Is concern and passion the reason for you bringing the subject up ?
Can I disagree and still have compassion?
To me all accidental death are tragedies not just ones caused by firearms.
I have seen many in my society fall prey to wicked people. I am glad to see they have a chance to turn the table.
Because I am free I go about my daily business without worry about confrontation. I don't invite it but try to be prepared for it.
 
The reason I brought it up in the first place was to point out that people who are allowed to conceal carry and who presumably have been well trained in the use of firearms are still capable of killing themselves and others. IMO these are accidents that should never happen but they do. I know very little about guns, zilch actually, but why don't they have safety catches, or if they do, why are people so reluctant to use them?

If you read my OP, this was my opening question. It has not been addressed.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
The reason I brought it up in the first place was to point out that people who are allowed to conceal carry and who presumably have been well trained in the use of firearms are still capable of killing themselves and others. IMO these are accidents that should never happen but they do. I know very little about guns, zilch actually, but why don't they have safety catches, or if they do, why are people so reluctant to use them?

If you read my OP, this was my opening question. It has not been addressed.
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People are required to take a drivers test to drive. They have accidents and kill themselves and others.
IMO these are accidents that should never happen but they do. Why? I don't know.

Guns have to be loaded, and cocked in order to fire. In other words they have to be made ready.
Guns have safety catches, they have to be engaged.

Why are people so reluctant to use them? I do not know. But I do know they work.

What we don't hear about is the thousands if not millions of incidents that a gun is handled properly does not go off and kill
or maim somebody.

I admit I got to reading the replies and got caught up in the foolishness.

If I might add when the word "nutters" keeps getting thrown in I for one tend to get on the offensive and get the impression
that your are trying to make an argument rather than looking for answers.

If you got this far thanks for listening.
 
Sid, if you look through my responses you will see that initially I too got caught up in the nonsense. It's easy to do.

I'm not calling anyone on this forum a nutter. Nor am I calling the unfortunate dead woman a nutter, although I might consider her very foolish not to be more careful.
Nutter is not even a word I use customarily but it gets used a lot on this forum to explain mass shootings as in "It's not the gun, it's the nutter who wields it" sort of thing.

One of my worries is how to work out who the nutters with guns might be.
I think it is nuts not to make it harder for them to get one in the first place.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
The reason I brought it up in the first place was to point out that people who are allowed to conceal carry and who presumably have been well trained in the use of firearms are still capable of killing themselves and others. IMO these are accidents that should never happen but they do. I know very little about guns, zilch actually, but why don't they have safety catches, or if they do, why are people so reluctant to use them?

If you read my OP, this was my opening question. It has not been addressed.
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Why are you making the assumption that, because a person carries a gun, they are well-trained? It doesn't work that way here, unfortunately. You can take a class in handgun safety, sleep through it and still receive your carry permit.

People don't always use the safeties on guns because, well, they're people. They're fallible. It's just that when you make a mistake with a gun the repercussions are much more serious. People also believe that they can handle their vehicles at high speeds - when they are proven wrong the price they pay is also usually high, sometimes involving others as well. They think they can handle their alcohol / drug intake - when they find out they can't it's sometimes too late.

There are mistakes and there are personal limitations - one seeks to reduce the number of both through training and self-awareness, but not everyone has the ability or desire to perform either.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
It's my reality.
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*shrug*

"My world and welcome to it" ...

Why do you (as in citizens of the US) put up with this situation?
However, in the cases I was referring to - police and military - I would hope the standards are a bit higher than this.
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I didn't realize you were talking about military and police - yes, I would hope the standards are higher and believe they are, but again they're just fallible humans. Defecation occurs. ;)
 
Disagree, there is always room for augmentation and support in many areas.
 

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