Federal Indictments of George Floyd's killers

oldiebutgoody said:
True, Floyd wasn't the mass murderer Paul was, that's for sure.

The apostle certainly wouldn't approve of confining people into the ghettoes, imposing racialist policies that keep people poor and that promote drugs or other hazards which kill. Redlining has a tendency to do such things such as promoting gangs. "The War on Drugs is the root cause of the significant increase in violent crime ... Princeton Sociology Professor Douglas Massey argues that the perpetual cycle of inner-city black violence is unlikely to end as long as high levels of black segregation continue to exist in central metropolitan areas. He "links high rates of black crime to two features of U.S. urban society: high rates of black poverty and high levels of black segregation."

A. The Disproportionate Rate of Violent Black Offenders is Caused By Systemic Racism - Page 2 - Page #1



It's the old story of injustice leading to disorder or, as it says in the Bible, no justice, no peace ~ Isaiah 59:8.
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OK, I see where you're coming from.

And Isaiah 59:8 says "The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings; they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace." There's no mention of justice, just judgment.

So you're distorting that, just like you're distorting everything else you talk about. Calling St. Paul a "mass murderer" sounds cool, but it's a gross misrepresentation of how he's described in the Bible.

Shall we agree on mutual use of the Ignore button?
 

White people commit "white collar" crimes all the time. Just read the newspaper, rgp. Some of them do eventually get caught and arrested, many get away with it. The "crime" Floyd was accused of was passing a phony $20 bill. Maybe knowingly, maybe not. If there was a rash of counterfeit money being passed around in MN at the time, it's pretty likely he didn't even know it. How often do any of us microscopically examine our dollar bills to be sure they are genuine? Do you?

And even if he was a habitual, well-known counterfeiter, did that give an insane cop the right to murder him?
 

JimBob1952 said:
OK, I see where you're coming from.

And Isaiah 59:8 says "The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings; they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace." There's no mention of justice, just judgment.

So you're distorting that, just like you're distorting everything else you talk about. Calling St. Paul a "mass murderer" sounds cool, but it's a gross misrepresentation of how he's described in the Bible.

Shall we agree on mutual use of the Ignore button?
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Isaiah 59:8 8The way of peace they do not know; there is no justice in their paths. They have turned them into crooked roads; no one who walks along them will know peace.



both judgment and justice are used - however, more often than not it is justice that is used:

Isaiah 59:8 - Bible Gateway



Strong's Concordance translates the word mispat as justice in this context:

4941 [e]
miš·pāṭ
מִשְׁפָּ֖ט
justice
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Isaiah 59:8 8The way of peace they do not know; there is no justice in their paths. They have turned them into crooked roads; no one who walks along them will know peace.



both judgment and justice are used - however, more often than not it is justice that is used:

Isaiah 59:8 - Bible Gateway



Strong's Concordance translates the word mispat as justice in this context:

4941 [e]
miš·pāṭ
מִשְׁפָּ֖ט
justice
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My Bible (at least the one I picked up first) says "judgment." And "No justice, no peace" is still a gross distortion of the verse. Just like saying the reason black people commit more crimes than other people is because of "selective law enforcement" or white racism. It might be just that they commit more crimes, period.
 
Lara said:
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@oldiebutgoody - Strong's Concordance is not a Bible. It's someone's interpretation of the Bible. Why don't you go directly to the source and figure out the truth for yourself?
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Strong's Concordance is recognized by literary and biblical scholars as the definitive source for encyclopedic information about the Bible, its sources, definitions, and all manner of data which enable people to understand the Bible. Professor Strong was recognized as one of the greatest biblical scholars of his time (1890s). Because it is primarily an index and dictionary, it is not slanted in any way and does not have any denominational bias.

I am a literary scholar who was an honor student as an under graduate and have a mastery of the English language. However, I do not know the Greek or Hebrew languages. Because of this I need a source that readily translates biblical words and enables me to fully understand the book. Strong's Concordance does all that for me.
 
I appreciate your explanation, oldiebutgoody. I used to have a Strongs Concordance as well and it was helpful when I first began reading the Bible as a new Christian. I remember it was red & white, huge and heavy. Lots of information.

My post above sounded flippant but I didn't mean it that way. I just found when I stopped using the concordance, and began relying on what God wanted to reveal to me, I started getting a better understanding spiritually and felt good about that.

But hey, what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another and I respect that totally.
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Lara said:
I appreciate your explanation, oldiebutgoody. I used to have a Strongs Concordance as well and it was helpful when I first began reading the Bible as a new Christian. I remember it was red & white, huge and heavy. Lots of information.

My post above sounded flippant but I didn't mean it that way. I just found when I stopped using the concordance, and began relying on what God wanted to reveal to me, I started getting a better understanding spiritually and felt good about that.

But hey, what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another and I respect that totally.
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Like you I have read the Bible and participated in many biblical debates over the years. Many moons I ago I challenged the Antichrists Garner Ted and Herbert W Armstrong to debates about the mythical garbage they spewed on their radio and tv shows and the worthless literature they distributed. Both declined to have any such debate. My understanding of the Bible increased immensely thanks to resources such as Strong's.
 
ohioboy said:
Sunny white collar crimes have nothing to do with race, unless you were creating a pun.
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Ohioboy, go back and read note #71. Then you may understand what I was referring to.

Although I should add that of course, all the crimes committed by White people are not of the "white collar" variety. And no, there was no pun involved. I was thinking of all the corruption, theft, stealing, etc. done by White people, often high level business executives, that we read about in the paper all the time.

But there's plenty of violent crime committed by White people also. (Think about the Mafia, for starters.) To imply that more crimes, of any variety, are committed by Blacks, is racist nonsense, and obviously a lie. Crimes are committed by criminals, period, of all shades of coloring.
 
Regardless of "race", etc., I'm of the belief that we will see rising crime rates in the future. These recent "police" shootings, and all the publicity they've received, is causing more current police to leave that career. That, coupled with movements to reduce funding for the police departments in many cities/states, will only embolden the criminals.
 
Don M. said:
Regardless of "race", etc., I'm of the belief that we will see rising crime rates in the future. These recent "police" shootings, and all the publicity they've received, is causing more current police to leave that career. That, coupled with movements to reduce funding for the police departments in many cities/states, will only embolden the criminals.
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That may be true, but the ubiquity of surveillance cameras makes it highly likely the perpetrators will be identified, caught, and prosecuted, so there's that deterrent—even with a smaller police force. It's the whole risk vs. reward scenario.

What we need to do is provide people with a way out of poverty so they don't resort to crime. I don't see politicians proposing viable solutions, though. It's not high on their "things to do" list.
 
Sunny said:
Ohioboy, go back and read note #71. Then you may understand what I was referring to.

Although I should add that of course, all the crimes committed by White people are not of the "white collar" variety. And no, there was no pun involved. I was thinking of all the corruption, theft, stealing, etc. done by White people, often high level business executives, that we read about in the paper all the time.

But there's plenty of violent crime committed by White people also. (Think about the Mafia, for starters.) To imply that more crimes, of any variety, are committed by Blacks, is racist nonsense, and obviously a lie. Crimes are committed by criminals, period, of all shades of coloring.
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Ok thanks for the clarification Sunny. :)
 

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