Fine, Jail And/Or Job Loss For Refusing Vaccine?

Don M. said:
There has been so much hype and fear over this virus, and its "Cure" is being so rushed, that I will probably remain a bit sceptical about any vaccines until several weeks have passed and large numbers have been vaccinated. Given the past history of so many drugs, and all their Side Effects, we will be Very cautious about joining those who get vaccinated. Wearing a mask, and avoiding others is a bit difficult, but I have little faith and trust in the Drug Companies.
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😅 That would make you one of those "Hoaxers," "Anti Vaxxers," or Someone who thinks for himself instead of being a programmed robot. :)
 

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Don M. said:
There has been so much hype and fear over this virus, and its "Cure" is being so rushed, that I will probably remain a bit sceptical about any vaccines until several weeks have passed and large numbers have been vaccinated. Given the past history of so many drugs, and all their Side Effects, we will be Very cautious about joining those who get vaccinated. Wearing a mask, and avoiding others is a bit difficult, but I have little faith and trust in the Drug Companies.
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This is my stance on it precisely.
 
Why be skeptical in a country where J & J talcum powder causes cancer? Vaping increases the spread five fold? Now 16 feet is the safe distance not 6 feet? I wait for looters to storm the pharmacies to sell the needles on the streets. Everything is under control.
 

win231 said:
Just as with drugs, lumping all vaccines into the "Wonderful" category is faulty. Some are useful. Some are useless. Some are dangerous. Intelligent people make an informed decision. And that decision is theirs, & theirs alone.
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Sounds like you might be discussing your country at war and whether you should answer the draft, volunteer, or refuse to enter military service. To hell with the country, just what's best for you as an individual.

If that's your opinion sobeit but lucky most folks don't share that view.
 
DaveA said:
Sounds like you might be discussing your country at war and whether you should answer the draft, volunteer, or refuse to enter military service. To hell with the country, just what's best for you as an individual.

If that's your opinion sobeit but lucky most folks don't share that view.
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My health decisions have nothing whatsoever to do with the draft or military service. That's your asinine interpretation. They have to do with my right to my health decisions.
But hey....if you're comfortable being a robot, have at it.
 
Back when I was a military wife, if your spouse was ordered to a place where you could go along (an accompanied tour), if spouse and children wanted to go along you had to be current on vaccinations. There is one vaccine I have an extreme allergy to and I had to submit medical documentation of that in order to be able to travel without the vaccine. Same for the civilian job I had over there working for the Army -- no vaccines, no job.
 
win231 said:
My health decisions have nothing whatsoever to do with the draft or military service. That's your asinine interpretation. They have to do with my right to my health decisions.
But hey....if you're comfortable being a robot, have at it.
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Win, most of us are comfortable with being "robots." as you put it, when it comes to protecting our own health and the health of our loved ones and the people we come in contact with. Living in the midst of a society means sometimes following the requirements of that society, even if we're not thrilled about it. The alternative is to find an isolated mountaintop somewhere and move there alone, where we won't contaminate the people who are unfortunate enough to come near us.
 
Sunny said:
Win, most of us are comfortable with being "robots." as you put it, when it comes to protecting our own health and the health of our loved ones and the people we come in contact with. Living in the midst of a society means sometimes following the requirements of that society, even if we're not thrilled about it. The alternative is to find an isolated mountaintop somewhere and move there alone, where we won't contaminate the people who are unfortunate enough to come near us.
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Then you should take whatever vaccine or drug that's suggested.
 
gennie said:
Although it might remind some of the Nazi/Jewish emblem/tattoo business AND be impossible to police, I've always thought that those who choose to not be vaccinated should wear an emblem of some sort to let others know that you or your child is not vaccinated so they can decide if they want to be around you.

A tee shirt with an emblem would do the job.
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Oh, you mean like the armbands so people can be beaten and killed. I think not.
 
win231 said:
You have every right to make your health decisions. Just as I have every right to make mine.
No, I've never had a flu shot, pneumonia shot, shingles shot or colonoscopy. I don't intend to get one & no one can force me get get one.
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You really should have a colonoscopy, you’ve never lived until you’ve had a large tube shoved up there 😂
 
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"No! No! No! I don't want no vaccine! You can't take away my right to make my own health decisions, no matter what the consequences! You're a big, bad robot!"
 
oldman said:
I would welcome the vaccine after it has been determined to be safe and effective.
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How would you know if the vaccine was safe or effective? It would take years to determine that. Most drugs have been on the market for many years before they admit anything negative about them. Even after people get sick & die, it can be difficult to prove that the drug or vaccine was the cause. Suppose they require it now?
Those who recommend it can't be expected to tell you the truth....at least not until they've made back their huge investment, along with substantial profit.
 
gennie said:
Although it might remind some of the Nazi/Jewish emblem/tattoo business AND be impossible to police, I've always thought that those who choose to not be vaccinated should wear an emblem of some sort to let others know that you or your child is not vaccinated so they can decide if they want to be around you.

A tee shirt with an emblem would do the job.
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A wonderful idea. But not so healthy for anyone who tries it on me, unless they have a bulletproof head.
 
win231 said:
Then you shouldn't be concerned with others who choose not to get vaccinated. Your vaccine would protect you from them.
Unless, of course you lack confidence in your decision & need validation from others making the same decision you make.........
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By the time we have a vaccine, Win, I probably wouldn't be all that concerned about those who choose to make themselves and their families sick with that horrible disease. I'd feel sorry for them, but they probably wouldn't be affecting me.

In fact, it might be a kind of natural selection. Darwin would love it.
 
win231 said:
How would you know if the vaccine was safe or effective? It would take years to determine that. Most drugs have been on the market for many years before they admit anything negative about them. Even after people get sick & die, it can be difficult to prove that the drug or vaccine was the cause. Suppose they require it now?
Those who recommend it can't be expected to tell you the truth....at least not until they've made back their huge investment, along with substantial profit.
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I guess no one can be 100% certain, even after new vaccines have been given to thousands of others during testing, but I would be willing to take the risk. If a newly developed vaccine was given to thousands and no one died and the vaccine was proven to be successful through tracking, then I am willing to take the risk, rather than risk getting the disease.

This is from the CDC———-Vaccine Testing
 
I remember when the Salk polio vaccine came out in the 50s, people lined up to get their children vaccinated. My sister and I were among them. One of my school friends had gotten polio (before the vaccine), and was left with limited use of her left leg. Even as a little kid, I was glad to get the vaccine even tho I hated shots. I remember waiting in line at the school where they were vaccinating, and I got a sticker saying I'd gotten the vaccine. Then we did the thing again when the Sabin oral vaccine came out and we lined up again to get our sugar cube with the vaccine on it.
 
I got the Sabin vaccine. It was administered as a yellow liquid in a small paper cup. I remember going up the street to the school on Sunday afternoons with my Father. The adults all thought it was so funny that I looked forward to the 2nd and 3rd doses, because I just loved the taste so much.
 
Butterfly said:
I remember when the Salk polio vaccine came out in the 50s, people lined up to get their children vaccinated. My sister and I were among them. One of my school friends had gotten polio (before the vaccine), and was left with limited use of her left leg. Even as a little kid, I was glad to get the vaccine even tho I hated shots. I remember waiting in line at the school where they were vaccinating, and I got a sticker saying I'd gotten the vaccine. Then we did the thing again when the Sabin oral vaccine came out and we lined up again to get our sugar cube with the vaccine on it.
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Exactly the same for me. My older sister was among the Salk vaccine test group (turned out she'd gotten a placebo). We all got the shot, then when Sabin's came out we took three doses on sugar cubes. Everyone in our small town lined up at the school when it was time to get the Sabin. I don't recall if adults were also administered the vaccine.

While I knew a number of people who'd had polio before the vaccines were available, I never, ever met anyone who contracted it after that big Sabin drive.

I was too young to remember this, but I bet some folks on here recall it:
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/24/elvis-presley-polio-vaccine-world-immunisation-week
 

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