Five dead in shooting at Ft. Lauderdale airport

Its not simply a case of vetting, its that we've been having Muslims immigrate into the UK for decades and allowed them to not only become accepted because no one realised that Islam is totally incompatible to Western democracy and is actually a toxic influence.

We are now at least 25 years further down the road of being colonised and now it is becoming more entrenched exponentially as what were communities silently morphed into self sealing colonies and now have joined up and as they have rather than Islam becoming more liberal the precise opposite is taking place.

Add to that England is a very much more densely populated country than the US and so what will be taking place in the US will not be so obvious ----- yet.
 

oldman said:
Regardless, if it entered his mind or not. It's not a choice thing. The judge isn't going to ask him, "Do you prefer life w/o parole or a needle?" I don't know what barking mad is, but if you are referring to the fact that he may be psychotic, good luck with that. Very few defendants here in the U.S get off with an insanity plea. The judge will ask the psychiatrist if he thinks the defendant knew right from wrong. If the answer is 'yes'. No insanity plea is accepted. (In most states. I don't know about Florida.)
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True here, too.
 
Denise1952 said:
Hi JJ, I think it will continue to get worse. I don't like to sound like a "dooms day" crier, but it sure seems like the world is just getting crazier every day. I know these things have always gone on in some places, but now I hear them every morning on the internet, and some on news. The internet puts out way more info than the news I think. And we get to hear "first-hand" from the people that are actually "there" to see it. We can still get convoluted info, and even lies though.
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Sadly, I think you are correct. That story got hours of top billing on all the news shows. I had no idea guns and weapons were allowed in checked luggage. Probably a lot of other people didn't either, but they know now. Even the unstable ones.

There are many more people in the world every day. Also, more guns and more hatred. Look at our political situation and the out and out hatred between the two sides. It's everywhere. I know families that aren't speaking to each other over the election. Long time friendships have ended. Heck, look at all the hatred in the posts on this forum. It's not friendly discussion anymore among many. And we're a bunch of seniors! I wish I could see a way out, a way for this country to heal. But I don't think that is ever going to happen and I think we will see the demise of this country (or the complete destruction by weapons), maybe within our lifetimes. Divide and conquer. Great strategy.
 

aeron said:
I'm afraid that you have a very great deal to learn about Islam.

In England the same was being said about "Ali down the corner shop" years ago and then we found out that the same Ali and his mates were not the friendly harmless guys we thought they were. The "terrorists" are the edge of the majority who approve of the aims of installing Islam in our world or at the very least don't condemn the MAJORITY who do.



You will learn.

Eventually.
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Wow, please do not patronise me. As for the silent majority not speaking out, I have read/heard moderate Muslims from many countries, including America, Canada, and UK, on the news, continuously, and vigorously condemning radical Islam/terrorism. Of course, sensationalism is much more ratings friendly, so they do not receive the same coverage.The majority of the refugee clients with whom I work left their countries to escape terrorism. With respect, I am far more afraid of your bias than I am of them.
 
Debby said:
I think the difference aeron is that in Canada or even in the USA, we have a greater advantage in being able to do a lot better job of vetting because in order to get off the plane, they have to actually pass through Customs, etc., whereas in the EU or even Britain (up until recently) masses of refugee people have been pouring over borders everywhere with it being possible for bad people to hide in the crowd. I would think that this makes a huge difference in the outcome.

Just this morning, our news was doing a one year update of one Syrian family who settled in Antigonish, Nova Scotia and not only did they start a chocolate company called Peace Chocolatiers that is thriving (in only one year) but they hired 10 more people from the community. Their ambition is to start shops across Canada although they have no intention of leaving the community that welcomed them.
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I read that story also, Debby. Heartwarming. I agree it is much easier for us here and in America to properly vet refugees than in some other places. Still, it is wrong to paint all Muslims in a bad light for the behaviour of a minority.
 
WhatInThe said:
Some preliminary investigation notes. Killer apparently planned this out and had started selling personal possessions including his car. He was charged with trying to strangle his girl friend and had a pending court date in March. Suspect will also face federal charges because it was an international airport.

http://ktla.com/2017/01/07/fort-lau...er-came-here-specifically-to-attack-fbi-says/
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So why was this man permitted to have possession of a firearm and ammunition ?
 
Here is the answer to my question above

Police in Alaska took a handgun from the man accused of a shooting at a Florida airport, but returned it to him last month after a medical evaluation found he was not mentally ill.

Esteban Santiago, a 26-year-old Iraq war veteran, had a history of acting erratically and investigators are probing whether mental illness played a role in the shooting that saw five people killed and six injured in a baggage claim area at Fort Lauderdale's international airport.Marlin Ritzman, special agent in charge of the FBI's Anchorage office, said Santiago walked into the office in November and told agents his mind was being controlled by a US intelligence agency.
He was turned over to local police who took him to a medical facility for a mental evaluation.

Anchorage Police Chief Chris Tolley said a handgun that was taken from Santiago by police during the evaluation was returned to him early last month, adding that it was not clear whether it was the same weapon used in the shooting.
"Santiago was having terroristic thoughts and believed he was being influenced by ISIS [the Islamic State militant group]," he said.

Photo: The suspected gunman, Esteban Santiago, served in Iraq with the National Guard. (Storyful: Instagram/@naota333)

However, Mr Ritzman said there was no evidence he was linked to a terrorist group but concerns have been raised about why Santiago was not placed on a no-fly list.

"During our initial investigation we found no ties to terrorism. He broke no laws when he came into our office making disjointed comments about mind control," he said.

Officials in Anchorage said the gun was returned because Santiago had not been adjudicated to be mentally ill.

"As far as I know, this is not somebody that would have been prohibited [from having a gun] based on the information they had," US attorney Karen Loeffler said.

FBI 'failed' Santiago after request for help, brother says

Santiago's brother Bryan questioned why his sibling was allowed to keep his gun after US authorities knew he had become increasingly paranoid and was hearing voices.

Bryan Santiago said his brother had trouble controlling his anger after serving in Iraq and told his brother that he felt he was being chased and controlled by the CIA through secret online messages.

When Santiago told agents at an FBI field office his paranoid thoughts in November, he was evaluated for four days, then released without any follow-up medication or therapy.

"The FBI failed there," Bryan Santiago said.

Santiago had not been placed on the US no-fly list after the November evaluation and appears to have acted alone, authorities said.
Bryan Santiago said his brother had requested psychological help but barely received any.

"I told him to go to church or to seek professional help," he said.

More here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-...-suspect-had-confiscated-gun-returned/8168294
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I think I would have to agree with the brother.
 
Warrigal said:
So why was this man permitted to have possession of a firearm and ammunition ?
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Nothing was official yet. The strangulation case was in progress. After the FBI had him check into a hospital and was released days later there was no radical diagnosis. Going for psychological treatment doesn't make one unfit especially in the early stages because they don't even have a full assessment yet, apparently nothing presented at that time. This was in November. This transpired pretty fast. He probably should've have at least one follow up session with a doctor or prescribed some kind counseling especially being a vet but how soon should that follow up been.
 
I recall there was a push to use the "no fly" list as a criterion for a gun permit awhile back. This shows the folly of that.
 
Thanks What In The I heard that he converted too and his name was found on My Space, I just wonder why the authorities weren't able to find this information on this Islamist terrorist or if they even tried. Have any of the main stream TV news shows reported these findings if they did I missed it?
 
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