Florida legalizes smoking medical marijuana....

[Camper6]

I drink about 8oz of red wine most every night with my main meal. I was born in Italy and even as a toddler my mother would give me little sips of red wine, Italians consider wine healthy. In fact, though, as to the total alcohol consumption, the US ranks 48 in total alcohol consumption and Italy ranks 87. The ''drunkest'' countries are in east Europe, Belarus is the top one.

I drink wine with my meal because they claim that red wine keeps the arteries healthier. It could be just PR to help the wine industry, but I have read that the majority of centenarians have a small glass of alcohol at night, most drink spirits or red wine. Most things are okay as long as done in moderation, alcohol is one of those things. And even sex! I never approved of pot because I thought it was addictive and they always show them acting goofy. But, I now in my old age have constant lower back pain and the day will come when I will start using CBD oil (not the other kind, THC?), so far I'm just doing stretches when the pain gets unbearable and it helps a little. I hate taking ANY kind of medicine and at 76 do not take any, except for rare ear infections every few years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

Right on. Even coffee is addictive.

 

[Keesha]

Kesha you are overly sensitive and I don't need your forgiveness.

I have done nothing wrong.

Im opposed to legalizing marijuana in Canada for recreational purposes.

We have enough problems with alcohol and street drugs. It's an epidemic sucking up police and medical resources.

Medicinal by prescription has been available.

So it's not like we are holding back from treating pain.

You went from debating marijuana to personal attacks on my character implying and assuming things that you were WRONG about.

Once again you are judging my character claiming I’m overly sensitive.
So now I’m a sensitive uneducated drug addict.:shrug:?

Can you see where I am going with this?
You can be as opposed to Canada legalizing marijuana as you want, the fact of the matter is, that it is.
Marijuana being illegal was sucking up more police resources than anything else.
Once again, there has never been a recorded case of death from the use of marijuana. EVER!!
Zero! Nada!

How many deaths each year are alcohol related ?
How many deaths per year are cigarette related?
How many deaths per year are from prescribed dangerous narcotics?

That in itself speaks volumes?

 

[Keesha]

And besides which, this thread isn’t about Canada legalizing cannabis, it’s about Florida becoming legal.
Perhaps you could write letters to the state of Florida in protest.

 

[Camper6]

You said you wouldn't discuss it anymore.

You forgot?

 

[Keesha]

You said you wouldn't discuss it anymore.

You forgot?

No. You couldn’t / wouldn’t answer my questions because you knew your information was all fabricated by you AND I wanted to let you know you were unfairly assaulting my character, which you already knew.

I don’t forget much Camper and I’m still not adding the 6.
That I’ll never forget. :lol:

 

[gumbud]

Camper you have expressed many thoughts on this topic but scant evidence - whereas Keesha [who you are attacking personally by the way - and that is often a sign of loss of control or habitual thinking?] has given you numerous pieces of evidence and facts. For you to add weight to your arguments [without the need to constantly insult a person] you do need to provide evidence [ research that is] of your own - otherwise you loose by an easy knock out?

 

[Sunny]

I guess you don't understand human nature. We are inclined to become addicted. If it's not available you won't try it.

Gosh, how about all the people who are addicted to eating chocolate? Many of them are already obese and the chocolate is making it worse. And it contributes to the diabetes epidemic.

So, chocolate should be banned, right? As you just said, Camper, if it isn't available, people won't eat it.

 

[Camper6]

Camper you have expressed many thoughts on this topic but scant evidence - whereas Keesha [who you are attacking personally by the way - and that is often a sign of loss of control or habitual thinking?] has given you numerous pieces of evidence and facts. For you to add weight to your arguments [without the need to constantly insult a person] you do need to provide evidence [ research that is] of your own - otherwise you loose by an easy knock out?

This is an adult forum. If you are overly sensitive to criticism you should look for another venue.

I have experienced among friends and others the devastating effects of addiction to drugs and alcohol. Our emergency services in our city are overtaxed with daily incidents requiring medical care and police action. I don't make that stuff up.

If enough people break the law then legalize it and suddenly all the problems will disappear?

Now try telling me sucking in smoke is good for you.

Excerpt with link:
The use of marijuana is not only harmful to the pot smoker himself. He can also become a risk to society.

Research clearly shows that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life. A study of 129 college students found that, among those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the 30 days before being surveyed, critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were seriously diminished. A study of postal workers found that employees who tested positive for marijuana had 55% more accidents, 85% more injuries and a 75% increase in being absent from work.

In Australia, a study found that cannabis intoxication was responsible for 4.3% of driver fatalities.


https://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/marijuana/behind-the-smoke-screen.html

 

[gumbud]

This is an adult forum. If you are overly sensitive to criticism you should look for another venue.

I have experienced among friends and others the devastating effects of addiction to drugs and alcohol. Our emergency services in our city are overtaxed with daily incidents requiring medical care and police action. I don't make that stuff up.

If enough people break the law then legalize it and suddenly all the problems will disappear?

Now try telling me sucking in smoke is good for you.

Excerpt with link:
The use of marijuana is not only harmful to the pot smoker himself. He can also become a risk to society.

Research clearly shows that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life. A study of 129 college students found that, among those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the 30 days before being surveyed, critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were seriously diminished. A study of postal workers found that employees who tested positive for marijuana had 55% more accidents, 85% more injuries and a 75% increase in being absent from work.

In Australia, a study found that cannabis intoxication was responsible for 4.3% of driver fatalities.


https://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/marijuana/behind-the-smoke-screen.html

Hi camper - do you happen to be a member of the Church of Scientology? - because the url you provided links to the drugfreeworld.org a subsidiary branch of the church. The C of Scientology has been well researched and studied and found to have significantly faulty practices in which it rips of many thousands of dollars of gullible clients? https://www.businessinsider.com/scientology-costs-leah-remini-recap-episode-3-2016-12/?r=AU&IR=T.

at the bottom of the url page you provided there are four references cited no 36-39 ; where are the rest is this a cover up? AND what relationship do these references have to your dialogue - this is not the scientific way to provide ' a supposedly evidence based document'

Sounds like you yourself are highly biased and therefore not unnaturally are using biased organisations and references in an attempt to support your biased view? would you care to elucidate?

 

[Keesha]

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Don't be so content with legalizing anything.

I never gambled before. It was legalized and we now have a casino in the city.

I am addicted. What do I need it for?

So you’re blaming the government because you made the choice to gamble over and over again ?:shrug:
Whats that got to do with the topic?

I was the first to notice you blaming the government for your addictions. You state that you wouldn’t have tried it if it wasn’t legal, which like others have stated, shows lack of self control. People who greatly lack self control shouldn’t drink or do any drugs. Drugs and alcohol should be used responsibly by responsible adults.

I agree, the government didn't put a gun to Camper's head and demand that he start gambling. What if they put a cliff near your house, would you go jump off it and blame the government? You have free will.

Making it legal means you can do it without worrying about being a criminal.

I made the choice? I couldn't have made the choice if it wasn't available.

And HERE are your very words. So as long as it’s legal and you don’t have to feel like a criminal, that’s good enough for you.

I guess you don't understand human nature. We are inclined to become addicted. If it's not available you won't try it.

I didn't blame the government. What I said was don't be too thrilled with legalizing marijuana.

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Yes you did blame the government. Please refer to YOUR first post I quoted. Your very words in blacks& white.

By the way, Camper, I have two casinos about 6 miles from me and I've only visited one once. I'm just not into gambling and never was.

Of course you weren't addicted to gambling. And I'm not addicted to smoking. Tried it once. Hated it. But it's legal.
How about alcohol? Don't we have enough problems without adding one more?

When PVC also pointed out that she has legal casinos near here and she’s not addicted, here was your answer.
You spout out all this BS and never answer any questions people ask you

Cigarettes have nothing to do with this conversation.
Casinos have nothing to do with this.

Yes they do. We are talking about legalizing marijuana, therefore there is a comparison to be made if you want to talk about addiction. At one time gambling was illegal. Tobacco has always been with us and the harmful effects on health are completely obvious. The social problems caused by addiction of all kinds are astounding except for those in denial.

Here you are making comparisons between tobacco and marijuana. Tobacco cause cancer. Marijuana doesn’t and has been known by some professionals to cure it.
You also make comparisons between alcohol and marijuana. Once again, they are completely different. Alcohol can cause death if overly consumed. There have been thousands if not millions of people who have died from it. Marijuana ..... NONE!

The amount of people who are suddenly going to try marijuana for the simple fact that it’s legal is slim to none.

That's nonsense. They are lining up to buy it now. You are kidding yourself if you think it's only previous users.

The amount of people lining up to buy marijuana is 99% from people who are / were already users. Instead of hooking up with their local drug dealer, and not sure what they are actually getting, they decided to check out a store with multiple strains to choose from. That way they can get a strain that is more suitable to them.

That's like saying I couldn't have made the choice to throw a rock through a window if it wasn't available.
Take responsibility for yourself. Don't blame your government for allowing something you personally have trouble with.
Adults are expected to make informed choices themselves.
I guess you don't understand human nature either. Since you KNOW we are "inclined to become addicted",,, why did you go to the casino in the first place? Don't you understand human nature?
I have no more to say on this view of yours. You may have the last word and I'm good with agreeing to disagree.

Then RaddishRose points out your illogical nonsense. Adults ARE expected to make informed decisions. People who lack this ability should NOT be using. It’s a good thing you decided to decline using marijuana. You aren’t responsible enough.

Those are lofty ideals you quote for humans but that's why the medical system is overloaded and the jails are full.

Being responsible is a ‘LOFTY idea.’ :shrug:

I completely agree Rose. We should take responsibility for our own actions and not depend on the government to take everything away from us to 'protect' us, like putting paint thinner on the top shelf so the toddler who can't make his own reasonable decisions doesn't drink it. The weakest of people can usually get help in overcoming their addictions no matter what they may be, the rest of the population can enjoy everything in moderation with no issues.

Even Seabreeze joins in and agrees with RaddishRose, PVC and I.

Why are the police chiefs against it? Are doctors for it for recreational use? Would you give it to your kids? Would you like your kids to grow up without using it?
Is it harmful in any way to your health. If you smoke it is it good for you?
Marijuana has a criminal element to it. Black market sellers try to get kids hooked and they do.
It affects the brain. Same as alcohol.
This purporting to claim it's the be all and end all to all the problems is amusing.
When I was only twelve years old I told my baseball team that they should quit smoking if they want to be good ball players.
At the time doctors were promoting advertisements touting it's qualities.
Will we never learn?

It does NOT affect the brain like alcohol. If it did you would have read about the thousands of deaths it’s caused but the fact of the matter is, there isn’t because it’s nothing like alcohol.
You complain about the black market trying to get kids addicted to it. Isn’t this a comment FOR legalization then. Surely the government won’t be trying to get kids hooked on it or other harsher drugs.

Kesha you are overly sensitive and I don't need your forgiveness.
I have done nothing wrong.

How do you figure I am the one being sensitive? Just because I disagree with you? The only reason why you are picking on me is because I’m the only one here admitting to doing it. I have no reason to lie.
You have at least 6 other people disagreeing with you but I noticed you didn’t suggest any of them were ‘sensitive.’

Right on. Even coffee is addictive.

Yes even coffee is addictive. Food can be addictive. Over the counter drugs can be addictive. Apparently mouth wash can be addictive. Sugar is addictive and ruins kids teeth. Should the government ban ALL things that could be potentially addictive to us humans OR should the government allow us to become RESPONSIBLE ADULTS.

Camper you have expressed many thoughts on this topic but scant evidence - whereas Keesha [who you are attacking personally by the way - and that is often a sign of loss of control or habitual thinking?] has given you numerous pieces of evidence and facts. For you to add weight to your arguments [without the need to constantly insult a person] you do need to provide evidence [ research that is] of your own - otherwise you loose by an easy knock out?

Now Gumbud also notices your personal attacks. He must be sensitive too huh?

Gosh, how about all the people who are addicted to eating chocolate? Many of them are already obese and the chocolate is making it worse. And it contributes to the diabetes epidemic.
So, chocolate should be banned, right? As you just said, Camper, if it isn't available, people won't eat it.

Yes should chocolate be banned for our protection? Perhaps Sunny is being too sensitive. She disagrees with you also.

This is an adult forum. If you are overly sensitive to criticism you should look for another venue.

I have experienced among friends and others the devastating effects of addiction to drugs and alcohol. Our emergency services in our city are overtaxed with daily incidents requiring medical care and police action. I don't make that stuff up.

If enough people break the law then legalize it and suddenly all the problems will disappear?

Now try telling me sucking in smoke is good for you.

Excerpt with link:
The use of marijuana is not only harmful to the pot smoker himself. He can also become a risk to society.

Research clearly shows that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life. A study of 129 college students found that, among those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the 30 days before being surveyed, critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were seriously diminished. A study of postal workers found that employees who tested positive for marijuana had 55% more accidents, 85% more injuries and a 75% increase in being absent from work.

In Australia, a study found that cannabis intoxication was responsible for 4.3% of driver fatalities.


https://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/marijuana/behind-the-smoke-screen.html

This IS an adult forum. Adults who SHOULD have self control. If you have no self control and need to have the government BAN things that could be ‘potentially’ dangerous for you , then you probably shouldn’t leave your house without supervision.

NOTE: Drugs and alcohol aren’t for whimps or irresponsible people. If you have no self control and are easily addicted to substances, then marijuana is NOT for you.

Camper made a very wise decision to not JUST SAY NO! :yes:

Pleeeease!!raying:

 

[Keesha]

Hi camper - do you happen to be a member of the Church of Scientology? - because the url you provided links to the drugfreeworld.org a subsidiary branch of the church. The C of Scientology has been well researched and studied and found to have significantly faulty practices in which it rips of many thousands of dollars of gullible clients? https://www.businessinsider.com/scientology-costs-leah-remini-recap-episode-3-2016-12/?r=AU&IR=T.

at the bottom of the url page you provided there are four references cited no 36-39 ; where are the rest is this a cover up? AND what relationship do these references have to your dialogue - this is not the scientific way to provide ' a supposedly evidence based document'

Sounds like you yourself are highly biased and therefore not unnaturally are using biased organisations and references in an attempt to support your biased view? would you care to elucidate?

This is his years of research :lofl: :getit:

 

[norman]

:lofl:I have never met a successful person who smoked weed every day, and I have met a lot of people. If we all start smoking weed in 100 years or so, we will be living in tents, but we won't be worried about taxes, fighting traffic on the interstate, $1200 a month house payments, paying off college tuition loans and repairs on the BMW. Just say in..

 

[Camper6]

Gosh, how about all the people who are addicted to eating chocolate? Many of them are already obese and the chocolate is making it worse. And it contributes to the diabetes epidemic.

So, chocolate should be banned, right? As you just said, Camper, if it isn't available, people won't eat it.

If you don't mind me saying so that's a dumb correlation. Chocolate is not a drug that has to be prescribed by a doctor or legislated to be made legal.

You can become obese and unhealthy eating anything in excess.

 

[Camper6]

Nope. I'm not a member of the Church of Scientology. I'm presenting an alternative view. The first one I came to.

Are they wrong?

 

[Keesha]

Nope. I'm not a member of the Church of Scientology. I'm presenting an alternative view. The first one I came to.

Are they wrong?

Why don’t you use the years worth of research you have done on the subject like you claimed?:shrug:

 

[Camper6]

Why don’t you use the years worth of research you have done on the subject like you claimed?:shrug:

I prefer to refer to experts who have. The question I asked was. Were they wrong?

 

[gumbud]

were who wrong?

 

[Keesha]

That's fine by me. I can see by your posts that you are hopelessly hooked on marijuana as if it's the greatest invention since sliced bread.

It's a drug and it's harmful to the brain. I'm not grossly uneducated about the subject. I have studied it for years. You are the one that is uneducated on the subject that's why you are grossly overly supporting it.

Oh so you weren't addicted but you broke the law to use it?

I haven't seen anyone using marijuana that were high and spoke intelligently.

Here is where you state that I am uneducated on the subject and that you have studied it for years. Since you are the one debating that there’s nothing good about it , then you need to put in information that proves your point.
You have yet to do that.

I prefer to refer to experts who have. The question I asked was. Were they wrong?

Ok so refer to them and give us the reasons for your disapproval.
Thats what I did. I took a course ( degree ) in Biology, a course in holistic nutrition, as well as two courses on healing with herbs. Cannabis was part of the curriculum.
After that I studied it independently through the many books printed, as well as information from experts online.
I’ve also experimented independently with it for decades , including growing it for myself and others licensed by Health Canada and am willing to speak openly, honestly and candidly about my findings. I’d match the strain they needed for their specific disorders and found the work to be most rewarding. At one point in time I was growing 17 different strains.

So for all the information you post that corresponds with the claims that you made, I will do the same , like I have been doing all along.

That’s what makes a fair debate otherwise it’s just you flapping at the gums posting about a subject you know nothing about yet are passionately against it. Reading through your posts, you seem to be the sensitive one.

I have asked you several questions and so have others which you have conveniently avoided and then when you finally randomly pick the first information you find online, ask us if it is wrong.

YOU were the one who claimed to know lots about the subject and studied it for years.
Surely you must know whether the information is true or not before you decide to post it as evidence ?:shrug:

 

[ronk]

Legalizing Marijuana sounds like a nice idea. Right now it's a gamble. It makes no sense if your state legalizes it, but the Federal government does not. I don't want to take a chance.

 

[gumbud]

Legalizing Marijuana sounds like a nice idea. Right now it's a gamble. It makes no sense if your state legalizes it, but the Federal government does not. I don't want to take a chance.

And you trust the Federal government - why do you trust them - they're archaic!

 

[Camper6]

were who wrong?

The link who else. Attacking the source instead of the content.

 

[gumbud]

what source - the unreliable one?? oh the church of the scientology - yes seen that and commented - rubbish!

 

[RadishRose]

If the tree is rotten, I question the fruit.

 

[Keesha]

Yes because all information from cults is 100% truthful & accurate.. :shrug:
Now drink your purple koolaid.

 

[Keesha]

The link who else. Attacking the source instead of the content.

You failed miserably Camper. I know it’s difficult to admit:grin: