Florida legalizes smoking medical marijuana....

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If you don't mind me saying so that's a dumb correlation. Chocolate is not a drug that has to be prescribed by a doctor or legislated to be made legal.

You can become obese and unhealthy eating anything in excess.

Um, Camper, that chocolate thing was a JOKE! It was meant to be satirical. But in its way, it does make a point. Your way of dealing with a substance that MIGHT be harmful if used in excess is to have the government just ban that substance. My satirical suggestion about chocolate was meant to show how absurd that idea is.

Now, some substances are so toxic, with few if any known benefits, that they should be banned. Some of those lethal opiates floating around come to mind. Heroin, fentanyl, etc. But marijuana (and yes, chocolate) are usually not fatal, do not incite crime, and apparently both give much pleasure to people. So why throw out the baby with the bath water?
 

Um, Camper, that chocolate thing was a JOKE! It was meant to be satirical. But in its way, it does make a point. Your way of dealing with a substance that MIGHT be harmful if used in excess is to have the government just ban that substance. My satirical suggestion about chocolate was meant to show how absurd that idea is.
I never said that.

Now, some substances are so toxic, with few if any known benefits, that they should be banned. Some of those lethal opiates floating around come to mind. Heroin, fentanyl, etc. But marijuana (and yes, chocolate) are usually not fatal, do not incite crime, and apparently both give much pleasure to people. So why throw out the baby with the bath water?

I don't advocate that at all. My argument is that marijuana is a harmful substance and not the panacea it's painted as.

It's still illegal in the U.S. Canada has adopted it instead of the maple leaf.

To me that's just asking for trouble.

And for recreational purposes people smoke it.
 

Hi camper - do you happen to be a member of the Church of Scientology? - because the url you provided links to the drugfreeworld.org a subsidiary branch of the church. The C of Scientology has been well researched and studied and found to have significantly faulty practices in which it rips of many thousands of dollars of gullible clients? https://www.businessinsider.com/scientology-costs-leah-remini-recap-episode-3-2016-12/?r=AU&IR=T.

at the bottom of the url page you provided there are four references cited no 36-39 ; where are the rest is this a cover up? AND what relationship do these references have to your dialogue - this is not the scientific way to provide ' a supposedly evidence based document'

Sounds like you yourself are highly biased and therefore not unnaturally are using biased organisations and references in an attempt to support your biased view? would you care to elucidate?

Oh yes I am highly biased against smoking period whether it's tobacco or weed.

If the argument is against using biased organizations then I have already explained. I picked the first site I came to. If you have an argument about that then counteract the article instead of claiming I picked it for biased purposes. So what in the article is not correct?

No matter what site I would have picked someone would claim it's biased because they support legalizing marijuana. I don't and I'm honest about it.
 
what source - the unreliable one?? oh the church of the scientology - yes seen that and commented - rubbish!

Your opinion that it is rubbish is your opinion. But you don't back up your argument. Anyone can say it's rubbish. I say legalizing marijuana for recreation purposes is rubbish.

I can give you multiple sites other than the one I provided. Your answer will be the same no matter what.
 
Um, Camper, that chocolate thing was a JOKE! It was meant to be satirical. But in its way, it does make a point. Your way of dealing with a substance that MIGHT be harmful if used in excess is to have the government just ban that substance. My satirical suggestion about chocolate was meant to show how absurd that idea is.

Now, some substances are so toxic, with few if any known benefits, that they should be banned. Some of those lethal opiates floating around come to mind. Heroin, fentanyl, etc. But marijuana (and yes, chocolate) are usually not fatal, do not incite crime, and apparently both give much pleasure to people. So why throw out the baby with the bath water?

Sunny the connection to crime is well noted. So you are wrong on that matter.
 
Sunny the connection to crime is well noted. So you are wrong on that matter.

It is? Some facts, please? I've never heard of any such connection, except the one that makes it a "crime" to use it when it is banned. But what other crime is marijuana connected to, outside of the fact that our laws make it "criminal" to use or sell it ? If you can show me some reliable proof that such is the case, I will admit that you're right.
 
It is? Some facts, please? I've never heard of any such connection, except the one that makes it a "crime" to use it when it is banned. But what other crime is marijuana connected to, outside of the fact that our laws make it "criminal" to use or sell it ? If you can show me some reliable proof that such is the case, I will admit that you're right.

Selling it when it's not legal. Buying it when it's not legal. What other facts do you need. Breaking the law means it's a crime.

Selling it to minors especially can get you a jail term.

Marijuana possession remains a federal offense, and the federal law applies to offenses committed on federal property, which includes the Capitol grounds and the mall within DC, as well as all national parks and military property nationwide, and other land under federal control.

Federal law also applies to offenses involving interstate commerce and importation from other countries.


https://norml.org/laws/item/federal-penalties-2
 
Florida, condo and apartment haven. But does one want to live in one where the neighbors regularly smoke pot although it be legal.

Sorry but pot smoke/odor is just as much a stence as cigarette smoke.
 
Don't be so content with legalizing anything.

I never gambled before. It was legalized and we now have a casino in the city.

I am addicted. What do I need it for?

So you’re blaming the government because you made the choice to gamble over and over again ?:shrug:
Whats that got to do with the topic?
You forgot you wrote this and I keep having to remind you. Yes you blamed our government for the fact that you have no self control and are addicted.

I agree, the government didn't put a gun to Camper's head and demand that he start gambling. What if they put a cliff near your house, would you go jump off it and blame the government? You have free will.
No the government has nothing to do with Camper’s irresponsible decision.

Making it legal means you can do it without worrying about being a criminal.

I made the choice? I couldn't have made the choice if it wasn't available.
Here once again you blame the government for your bad decisions by saying if I wasn’t legal you wouldn’t have done it. Again you display no self control.

If you don't mind me saying so that's a dumb correlation. Chocolate is not a drug that has to be prescribed by a doctor or legislated to be made legal.

You can become obese and unhealthy eating anything in excess.
Sunny used the sugar as an example of how silly your logic is. You claimed that you couldn’t get addicted to the substance if it wasn’t legal so many of us showed examples of things that were addictive AND legal proving it’s not up to the government to control what substances we use and or abuse. Many people abuse sugar with devastating results but it’s still legal. The only people who have a problem with it are those with a lack of self control.

Kesha you are overly sensitive and I don't need your forgiveness.

I have done nothing wrong.

Im opposed to legalizing marijuana in Canada for recreational purposes.

We have enough problems with alcohol and street drugs. It's an epidemic sucking up police and medical resources.

Medicinal by prescription has been available.

So it's not like we are holding back from treating pain.
Once again Camper, this thread isn’t about Canada legalizing recreational marijuana. It’s about Florida legalizing medicinal marijuana. Please STICK to the topic!

And besides which, this thread isn’t about Canada legalizing cannabis, it’s about Florida becoming legal.
Perhaps you could write letters to the state of Florida in protest.

Gosh, how about all the people who are addicted to eating chocolate? Many of them are already obese and the chocolate is making it worse. And it contributes to the diabetes epidemic.

So, chocolate should be banned, right? As you just said, Camper, if it isn't available, people won't eat it.
Sunny’s post made perfect sense.

This is an adult forum. If you are overly sensitive to criticism you should look for another venue.

I have experienced among friends and others the devastating effects of addiction to drugs and alcohol. Our emergency services in our city are overtaxed with daily incidents requiring medical care and police action. I don't make that stuff up.
I have also experienced amongst friends and others , the devastating effects of addiction to drugs and alcohol . Our emergency services ARE over taxed with daily incidents and police action. VERY TRUE! How many of these serious incidents are due to marijuana? Since not one person has ever had a fatality using marijuana, it obviously isn’t THAT drug but ALL the other drugs out there. The drugs made by humans kill hundreds daily.

At least you got one thing right but this claim goes against your dispute, not for it, like some of your other claims.

Nope. I'm not a member of the Church of Scientology. I'm presenting an alternative view. The first one I came to.

Are they wrong?
So after all your years worth of researching this subject, you made the decision to pick the first article you came to and then you have the nerve to ask US to verify it for you?

Why don’t you use the years worth of research you have done on the subject like you claimed?:shrug:
Why you ask? Because he hasn’t studied it for years. The proof is in his posts. ‘His’ referencing to you Camper.
I prefer to refer to experts who have. The question I asked was. Were they wrong?
In your opinion, religious cult leaders are experts in marijuana.
That says it all Camper. It’s no wonder you are confused and have your facts all messed up. You believe everything you read online is true.:laugh:

The link who else. Attacking the source instead of the content.
Questioning references is part of responsible researching but of course you are not interested in accurate research. You’re ok with just picking the first article you find.

what source - the unreliable one?? oh the church of the scientology - yes seen that and commented - rubbish!

If the tree is rotten, I question the fruit.

Um, Camper, that chocolate thing was a JOKE! It was meant to be satirical. But in its way, it does make a point. Your way of dealing with a substance that MIGHT be harmful if used in excess is to have the government just ban that substance. My satirical suggestion about chocolate was meant to show how absurd that idea is.

Now, some substances are so toxic, with few if any known benefits, that they should be banned. Some of those lethal opiates floating around come to mind. Heroin, fentanyl, etc. But marijuana (and yes, chocolate) are usually not fatal, do not incite crime, and apparently both give much pleasure to people. So why throw out the baby with the bath water?
Exactly. Great post. I have no idea why Camper compares marijuana to fatally harmful drugs. It makes no sense but none of his posts makes sense as others have noted.
​Just wondering, has anyone here smoked weed?
This conversation sounds like something from high school students.
Oh yes I am highly biased against smoking period whether it's tobacco or weed.

If the argument is against using biased organizations then I have already explained. I picked the first site I came to. If you have an argument about that then counteract the article instead of claiming I picked it for biased purposes. So what in the article is not correct?

No matter what site I would have picked someone would claim it's biased because they support legalizing marijuana. I don't and I'm honest about it.
How do you know we would have claimed any other information as bias if you picked it? Out of all the years of research you did on this topic, you chose to randomly pick the first thing you found online. If this is how you do your research, then it’s no wonder you are confused.
What difference does it make?

Your opinion that it is rubbish is your opinion. But you don't back up your argument. Anyone can say it's rubbish. I say legalizing marijuana for recreation purposes is rubbish.

I can give you multiple sites other than the one I provided. Your answer will be the same no matter what.
Once again , the subject isn’t about legalizing marijuana for recreational purposes. The subject is about Florida legalizing medical marijuana. Please stick to the subject Camper.

Of course. Can't you tell just by reading the posts?
No! Can you? I can’t tell from reading any of the posts, who has smoked marijuana. I would have guessed you from all your distraction and confused posts

Sunny the connection to crime is well noted. So you are wrong on that matter.
Please show proof of your comment. What connection is there?

It is? Some facts, please? I've never heard of any such connection, except the one that makes it a "crime" to use it when it is banned. But what other crime is marijuana connected to, outside of the fact that our laws make it "criminal" to use or sell it ? If you can show me some reliable proof that such is the case, I will admit that you're right.
Thats ALL he’s got. People have used it when it wasn’t legal.

So why legalize it if it's so readily available?
So that it can be controlled and monitored responsibly. That was one of YOUR complaints was that the black market is selling to kids and getting them hooked.

Selling it when it's not legal. Buying it when it's not legal. What other facts do you need. Breaking the law means it's a crime.

Selling it to minors especially can get you a jail term.

Marijuana possession remains a federal offense, and the federal law applies to offenses committed on federal property, which includes the Capitol grounds and the mall within DC, as well as all national parks and military property nationwide, and other land under federal control.

Federal law also applies to offenses involving interstate commerce and importation from other countries.


https://norml.org/laws/item/federal-penalties-2
Yes people who used cannabis broke the law when it was illegal.
So what? Black people started sitting at the front of the bus too. That was also illegal but was done. NOW people of ALL colour and ethnic diversity can sit wherever they want on the bus ALL BECAUSE OF ONE GUTSY woman. God bless her. God bless all the brave souls who fight for fair change.

Now that's a joke.

You can't even remember what you post.
What is it that I’m forgetting ?
Whats hilarious about this is the lack of your ability to understand.
Most of us here in this thread have had to go over things multiple times just for your benefit but you STILL don’t understand.
Perhaps you have some type of cognitive impairment? :shrug:
 
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camper have you ever experience being tied up in knots?? - cos you just have - we'll untie you in about a weeks time meanwhile we've left a stash of hash to help you to relax a bit before you start your next discussion?? ps: don't set the place on fire!!
 
You forgot you wrote this and I keep having to remind you. Yes you blamed our government for the fact that you are have no self control and are addicted.


No the government has nothing to do with Camper’s irresponsible decision.


Here once again you blame the government for your bad decisions by saying if I wasn’t legal you wouldn’t have done it. Again you display no self control.


Sunny used the sugar as an example of how silly your logic is. You claimed that you couldn’t get addicted to the substance if it wasn’t legal so many of us showed examples of things that were addictive AND legal proving it’s not up to the government to control what substances we use and or abuse. Many people abuse sugar with devastating results but it’s still legal. The only people who have a problem with it are those with a lack of self control.

Once again Camper, this thread isn’t about Canada legalizing recreational marijuana. It’s about Florida legalizing medicinal marijuana. Please STICK to the topic!



Sunny’s post made perfect sense.


I have also experienced amongst friends and others , the devastating effects of addiction to drugs and alcohol . Our emergency services ARE over taxed with daily incidents and police action. VERY TRUE! How many of these serious incidents are due to marijuana? Since not one person has ever had a fatality using marijuana, it obviously isn’t THAT drug but ALL the other drugs out there. The drugs made by humans kill hundreds daily.

At least you got one thing right but this claim goes against your dispute, not for it, like some of your other claims.

So after all your years worth of researching this subject, you made the decision to pick the first article you came to and then you have the nerve to ask US to verify it for you?


Why you ask? Because he hasn’t studied it for years. The proof is in his posts. ‘His’ referencing to you Camper.

In your opinion, religious cult leaders are experts in marijuana.
That says it all Camper. It’s no wonder you are confused and have your facts all messed up. You believe everything you read online is true.:laugh:

Questioning references is part of responsible researching but of course you are not interested in accurate research. You’re ok with just picking the first article you find.






Exactly. Great post. I have no idea why Camper compares marijuana to fatally harmful drugs. It makes no sense but none of his posts makes sense as others have noted.

This conversation sounds like something from high school students.

How do you know we would have claimed any other information as bias if you picked it? Out of all the years of research you did on this topic, you chose to randomly pick the first thing you found online. If this is how you do your research, then it’s no wonder you are confused.
What difference does it make?

Once again , the subject isn’t about legalizing marijuana for recreational purposes. The subject is about Florida legalizing medical marijuana. Please stick to the subject Camper.

No! Can you? I can’t tell from reading any of the posts, who has smoked marijuana. I would have guessed you from all your distraction and confused posts


Please show proof as your comment. What connection is there?


Thats ALL he’s got. People have used it when it wasn’t legal.

So that it can be controlled and monitored responsibly. That was one of YOUR complaints was that the black market is selling to kids and getting them hooked.

Yes people who used cannabis broke the law when it was illegal.
So what? Black people started sitting at the front of the bus too. That was also illegal but was done. NOW people of ALL colour and ethnic diversity can sit wherever they want on the bus ALL BECAUSE OF ONE GUTSY woman. God bless her. God bless all the brave souls who fight for fair change.


What is it that I’m forgetting ?
Whats hilarious about this is the lack of your ability to understand.
Most of us here in this thread have had to go over things multiple times just for your benefit but you STILL don’t understand.
Perhaps you have some type of cognitive impairment? :shrug:

A scbolarly discourse if ever I read one - succint ;well thought out and discussed well!!
 
camper have you ever experience being tied up in knots?? - cos you just have - we'll untie you in about a weeks time meanwhile we've left a stash of hash to help you to relax a bit before you start your next discussion?? ps: don't set the place on fire!!

Don't waste the hash on me. I don't need it. Save it for yourself and the rest of those who think it's great and are floating in misty visions and thoughts. Have I ever experienced being tied up in knots? No, is that part of the pot ritual?

None of you have the ability to debate a topic. Instead what you do is discuss the poster instead of the topic.
 
Now that's a joke.

You can't even remember what you post.
YOU are the only person in this thread that can’t debate a topic.
Instead of adding information to your side of the debate you attack me once more but that’s what you have done in ALL these discussions and for the record Camper, I DO NOT smoke tobacco OR cannabis nor do I drink alcohol or do any illegal drugs.

Heres a refresher course on the subject of why it was banned in the first place


Why was Marijuana banned in the first place? Why are people still sent to prison for using it?


Most of us assume it’s because some professional , discovered it was more harmful than other drugs including tobacco and alcohol but that’s not at all what happened.


When you go back in history and research the archives you’ll discover that cannabis was banned in 1930 and here’s why.


In 1929 Harry Anslinger was put in charge of the Department of Prohibition in Washington D.C., but alcohol prohibition had been a disaster . Gangsters took over and alcohol became controlled by criminals which made prohibition even worse.


https://timeline.com/harry-anslinger-racist-war-on-drugs-prison-industrial-complex-fb5cbc281189




Prohibition on alcohol ended but Anslinger was now in charge of a huge department with nothing to do. Up until this point in time he had stated that cannabis was NOT a dangerous drug and doesn’t harm people and that the very idea that it makes people violent is no more than an absurd fallacy.


Since there was nothing for him to do in his prohibition department he decided to change his mind and demonized cannabis instead by announcing to the public what would happen if they smoked it.


First ....you’d fall into a delirious rage
Second...you’ll be gripped by dreams of an erotic character
Third.... you’ll lose the power of connected thought
Finally ... you will reach insanity and it will turn you into a beast.


This is when posters started being published and posted stating that people who use it have wild orgies, go instantly crazy and white women will wish to sleep with black men. Really? It’s never happened to me?:shrug:


Anslinger became obsessed with a case in Florida where a boy hacked his family to death with an axe and decided to link this story with this use of cannabis to scare US citizens to death.


What evidence did Anslinger have ?
NONE! Zero!


He wrote to 30 leading scientists to find out if marijuana was dangerous and ask if there should be a ban. 29 of them wrote back with a report saying NO! He chose the ONE scientist that said yes and linked his findings with the axe murdering case to cause a pandemonium. Deliberately causing a country panic marijuana was banned in the US.


The United States of America then told other countries that they needed to do the same. Most agreed but some countries didn’t including Mexico who decided that their drug policies should be run by doctors not governments. Their research showed that cannabis didn’t cause these problems so refused to ban it. The US was furious and ordered them to fall into line and when Mexico still refused they cut them off from life saving medical supplies and many people died.
This is when Mexico launched its own drug war.


Scientific evidence proves cannabis to be far safer than alcohol. Alcohol KILLS 40,000 people a year in the US alone.
Cannabis has never killed anyone at anytime in the entire world.


A leading doctor, Michael Ball, worried about such drastic measures wrote to Anslinger stating that he had experimented with it and that it hadn’t done all the horrible things Anslinger had claimed. He said it only made him sleepy and suggested that more independent studies be done. Anslinger didn’t like this so cut off all funding for any research of marijuana.


For years many doctors approached Anslinger with evidence that he was wrong and would threaten that they were stepping in dangerous ground and should watch their mouths.


Today, most of the world is still living with the ban on cannabis that Harry Anslinger introduced in a nation wide panic that followed Victor Licatas killing spree.
The craziest thing is that Victor Licata never used cannabis. It was all fabricated to scare the general public and still works for some to this very day.


It turns out that Victor Licata had some serious mental disorders and needed to be institutionalized but wasn’t. His psychiatrists never once mentioned a connection to marijuana regarding him.


https://timeline.com/this-axe-murderer-helped-make-weed-illegal-5696b480b16c




So does cannabis make people mad?


David Nutt is a Chief Advisor on Drugs with the British government explained that if cannabis causes psychosis in a straight forward way, then it would show up in a straight forward way. When cannabis use goes up, psychosis would go up and when cannabis use goes down , psychosis would go down but it doesn’t.


From data taken from MANY countries this isn’t the case. In Britain alone cannabis use had shot up by 40% since 1960 but the rates in psychosis have remained steady; meaning they haven’t changed.
 
What is it that you are forgetting?

Your post #32.

You try to debate with me using misinformation , that I refuse to converse with you about this any further.

You are at post #94 now and still rambling away. You don't converse. You rant.

Anything that affects the brain affects thinking.
 
What is it that you are forgetting?

Your post #32.



You are at post #94 now and still rambling away. You don't converse. You rant.

Wrong. You CALL it ranting because YOU are losing miserably as everyone else in this thread has mentioned.
My posts are most informative which just pisses you off.
Thats MOST clear and I’m not the only one noticing it.
 

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