God has a plan. An observation and a question.

Bottom line, there's plenty of room for doubt
However, there's hope
Throughout The Word
Throughout living, learning, listening

This experience has changed me
It has given me joy, peace....heh, even patience (that's a bit of a miracle)

There's nothing else on this planet that has done that

I won't soon let that go
 
Gary O' said:
Bottom line, there's plenty of room for doubt
However, there's hope. Throughout The Word. Throughout living, learning, listening. This experience has changed me
It has given me joy, peace....heh, even patience (that's a bit of a miracle)
There's nothing else on this planet that has done that, I won't soon let that go
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There is a line or phrase that goes "Faith, Hope, and Love, are important, and the greatest of these is "Love" (apologies I can't remember it properly, but you're lucky to have those three elements in your life, especially the third, and maybe we can't live or be truly alive without at least one of them! :)
 
Gary O' said:
1Corinthians 13: 12-13

Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love.
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The real quote is so much better, especially when set in context:

1.Corinthians 13: 12-13 "Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love, but the greatest of these is love."

If you'll forgive me I'll add something more about "love", (the word our UK family law fails to use, and legal practitioners try to dissuade those parents entering the system for their assistance not to use!).

"Denial of love" to be shown to the excluded parent cannot be included in the deliberations of those assessing whether or not to lift a finger to assist someone being checked out of their children's lives, (for no good reason, such as abuse etc.).

I've read an old-ish document where parents enjoying the companionship (and maybe love) does get a mention, but I think it was in a review produced by a retiring top family court judge, (HHJ Wilson maybe twenty or more years ago - I found it by an interrogation our government website dealing with divorce and children, and found only six entries or documents where the word love was mentioned).
 
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I found it by an interrogation our government website dealing with divorce and children, and found only six entries or documents where the word love was mentioned).
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Happening for centuries already, much much moreso today, every day.

www.biblegateway.com › passage › ?search=Matthew+24:12-14&version=CJB

and many people's love will grow cold - Bible Gateway​

Matthew 24:12-14 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) 12 and many people's love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah. 13 But whoever holds out till the end will be delivered. 14 And this Good News about the Kingdom will be announced throughout the whole world as a witness to all the Goyim. It is then that the end will come.
https://www.biblegateway.com › passage › ?search=Matthew 24:12&version=NASB

Matthew 24:12 NASB - Bible Gateway​

Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold. Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold. Back to classic site · Take a Tour. Read the Bible; Reading Plans ... Matthew 24:12 Lit the love of many; Matthew 24:12 in all English translations. New American Standard Bible (NASB)
https://www.biblegateway.com › passage › ?search=Matthew 24:12&version=NASB1995

Matthew 24:12 NASB1995 - Because lawlessness is increased, most - Bible ...​

12 Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold. Read full chapter. Footnotes. Matthew 24:12 Lit the love of many; Matthew 24:12 in all English translations. Matthew 23. Matthew 25. New American Standard Bible 1995 (NASB1995)
 
"Young's Literal Translation
And he hath turned back the heart of fathers to sons, And the heart of sons to their fathers, Before I come and have utterly smitten the land!"

@chic , the good news is that at least some will be recovered before the land is utterly smitten. Not everyone will be broken forever.
 
Just Jeff said:
"Young's Literal Translation
And he hath turned back the heart of fathers to sons, And the heart of sons to their fathers, Before I come and have utterly smitten the land!"

@chic , the good news is that at least some will be recovered before the land is utterly smitten. Not everyone will be broken forever.
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What is tricky for me is some of those children turning their backs on their fathers are just that "children" but woe betide you if you suggest what they're saying should not be taken over the word of a decent loving father, "they must be listened to and taken seriously" the law decrees, (or those administering it, "because that's in their best interests"!).

You are very aware of saying from the bible, and passages from the bible, where in the bible does it say, "the child's interests must come first", (or be paramount over everything else)?

My guess is it does not say such a thing, not least because ultimately there is no God in a system where the child becomes set above all else, (and the power of that phrase I keep quoting about children's interests coming first is said to have almost "mystical power" according to expert observers of family law).

A fellow fathers rights campaigner told me he once told the judge deliberating over his contact with his three boys, "don't play God with my children", and to an extent usurping loving fathers is playing God, deciding who can show love to their children and fulfill the role good/decent dads should be able to decide for themselves how to fulfill! :)
 
Em in Ohio said:
- and many of the bible passages are controversial subjects. I know in the church that I attended, they started to 'soften' the life-in-a burning hell concept by the time I left.
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I bit of an update in regard to my studies


Matt 10:28 says
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
and Rev 20 says "fire came down and devoured them" .
Ezek 28 says even Satan himself is "reduced to ashes" and "will be no more forever".

Sure seems the torment forever thing isn't holding up, scripture wise.
I'm still studying, however.
 
Gary O' said:
I bit of an update in regard to my studies


Matt 10:28 says
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
and Rev 20 says "fire came down and devoured them" .
Ezek 28 says even Satan himself is "reduced to ashes" and "will be no more forever".

Sure seems the torment forever thing isn't holding up, scripture wise.
I'm still studying, however.
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Bibles are definitely good for at least one thing - critical analysis! But as a compilation goes, it could certainly have done a better job with consistency and clarity, in my opinion. It is fascinating to see the different ways folks interpret passages. Enjoy your studies!
 
The bible as a source of stories has some really interesting tales. I wonder though why Jesus was never associated with female companionship. Always with men & not military men. :unsure:
 
Yes I was taught she came to him and confessed and became a disciple
Others believe they were married and she is reckoned to be the women next to him in Da Vinci's painting of the last supper.
 
He never chose women to teach men nor to in any way break a commandment at all, ever.

Notice, though, that the first ones Jesus appeared to after the Resurrection were women.

I think they were also the first ones to go to the grave to anoint Him with various ointments , when they thought He was still in the grave.
 
Em in Ohio said:
Bibles are definitely good for at least one thing - critical analysis! But as a compilation goes, it could certainly have done a better job with consistency and clarity, in my opinion. It is fascinating to see the different ways folks interpret passages. Enjoy your studies!
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You're going some if you think anyone could have done a better job as seen through the eyes of a modern western society upbringing, where technology and luxuries are all around to make our lives easier, and we don't really have to face most of the painful realities they faced 2k years ago! :)
 
The feminine seeming personage in The Last Supper is John, "the “disciple Jesus loved” (John 13:23)". Leonardo was gay and I believe he was suggesting Jesus was too. His artistic interpretation is based on his need to suggest if Jesus is gay then nothing wrong with it.
 

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