God has a plan. An observation and a question.

squatting dog said:
Does God have a plan? Of course he does.

Me: Hey God.
God: Hello, my love.
Me: I'm falling apart. Can you put me back together?
God: I would rather not.
Me: Why?
God: Because you aren't a puzzle.
Me: What about all of the pieces of my life that are falling down onto the ground?
God: Let them stay there for a while. They fell off for a reason. Take some time and decide if you need any of those pieces back.
Me: You don't understand! I'm breaking down!
God: No - you don't understand. You are breaking through. What you are feeling are just growing pains. You are shedding the things and the people in your life that are holding you back. You aren't falling apart. You are falling into place. Relax. Take some deep breaths and allow those things you don't need anymore to fall off of you. Quit holding onto the pieces that don't fit you anymore. Let them fall off.
Let them go.
Me: Once I start doing that, what will be left of me?
God: Only the very best pieces of you.
Me: I'm scared of changing.
God: I keep telling you - YOU AREN'T CHANGING!! YOU ARE BECOMING!
Me: Becoming who?
God: Becoming who I created you to be! A person of light and love and charity and hope and courage and joy and mercy and grace and compassion. I made you for more than the shallow pieces you have decided adorn yourself with that you cling to with such greed and fear.
Let those things fall off of you. I love you! Don't change! Become! Become! Become! Become who I made you to be. I'm going to keep telling you this until you remember it.
Me: There goes another piece.
God: Yep. Let it be.
Me: So...I'm not broken?
God: No - but you are breaking like the dawn. It's a new day. Become!! Become!!
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And some people die from being broken. Great plan. :(
 
spectratg said:
We have survived so long because of our large forebrain, through evolution, which took 4.5 billion years to get there. We are now the apex predator, the ruler of the planet which is why we claim (self-appointed) to have dominion over every other species. Dominion in this case the destruction of these other species. "The Holocene extinction, otherwise referred to as the sixth mass extinction or Anthropocene extinction, is an ongoing extinction event of species during the present Holocene epoch (with the more recent time sometimes called Anthropocene) as a result of human activity." We also manage massacre of other members of our own species, in massive numbers.
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Your post is very intriguing. You are obviously well read and have a realistic perspective regarding this thread. I would love to know about some of your reading that has formed and given you this perspective. Would you share some of that with us. I am being genuine in this request. If you would, please respond with a reply, it would be much appreciated.
 
Sunny said:
The people who believe this stuff do so because they have been taught to believe it, and in many cases have had fear instilled in them if they doubt any of it. It's a system of control of other people. But no one knows any more than you do about the ultimate meaning of the universe, even if they claim to.
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Some people look at the telescope images of the Universe and are so in awe of the majesty and vastness of it all they believe there must be a creator behind it all. Other people look at the same pictures and say, I didn't see God, just billions of stars, so God must not exist. By that system cars and antelopes don't exist either.

If religion is a system of control of other people, it's not working half as well as Instagram influencers and not generating as much fear as conspiracy theories on message boards.
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As for Jesus being gay or having an affair with Mary Magdalene. Just no. He was first and foremost a devout Jew who followed The Law, he admonished people in his sermons to not only obey the commandments, but to take them a step further. to follow not only the letter of The Law but the spirit of The Law. For example he said, not only don't commit adultery, don't even lust in your heart. If he had broken commandments his enemies would have been all over it and it would have been brought up during his trial.
 
Della said:
Some people look at the telescope images of the Universe and are so in awe of the majesty and vastness of it all they believe there must be a creator behind it all. Other people look at the same pictures and say, I didn't see God, just billions of stars, so God must not exist. By that system cars and antelopes don't exist either.
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Let's suppose you are going to create as [ to make or bring into existence] a box, to create that box you have to recognize that box was never there.

So given the common understanding of create & the new info the Webb telescope provides concerning the heavens that were supposedly created. Is it realistic to think that a being billions of years old outside that massive expanse is somehow planning what over 7 billion inhabitants of earth are going to experience?
 
Knight said:
Let's suppose you are going to create as [ to make or bring into existence] a box, to create that box you have to recognize that box was never there.

So given the common understanding of create & the new info the Webb telescope provides concerning the heavens that were supposedly created. Is it realistic to think that a being billions of years old outside that massive expanse is somehow planning what over 7 billion inhabitants of earth are going to experience?
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Creating and having a plan are two different things. I believe there was or is a Creator. Whether or not this creator had a plan for us or not, I don't know.
 
Pepper said:
There is no plan. There is no god.
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Believe what you wish, but in my honest opinion the nature and vastness of the universe is beyond our comprehension. We may know a great deal, but not all by a long shot, so why should we presume to scorn beliefs that bring joy and understanding to so many of our friends and neighbors? That is why I am an agnostic.
 
ElCastor said:
Believe what you wish, but in my honest opinion the nature and vastness of the universe is beyond our comprehension. We may know a great deal, but not all by a long shot, so why should we presume to scorn beliefs that bring joy and understanding to so many of our friends and neighbors? That is why I am an agnostic.
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I respect all ideas too whether I agree or not. There are so many theories and beliefs. I decided perhaps they are all true for whoever believes them. And they can change. After all we live in a wonderous universe which we do not yet fully comprehend so maybe we are creators of our own worlds.. LOL at different times and circumstances we certainly can create chaos or happiness for ourselves and for others....
 
ElCastor said:
Believe what you wish, but in my honest opinion the nature and vastness of the universe is beyond our comprehension. We may know a great deal, but not all by a long shot, so why should we presume to scorn beliefs that bring joy and understanding to so many of our friends and neighbors? That is why I am an agnostic.
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Bully for you.
 
Della said:
Creating and having a plan are two different things. I believe there was or is a Creator. Whether or not this creator had a plan for us or not, I don't know.
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Creation by a sentient being <--- would have had to take place billions of years ago. While still outside the "creation" the creator according to those with faith did plan & continues to plan for billions of people. If that gives you comfort then I am happy for you. I could be wrong but that those that didn't fare to well in the plan probably didn't/don't find the same comfort
 
Knight said:
Creation by a sentient being <--- would have had to take place billions of years ago. While still outside the "creation" the creator according to those with faith did plan & continues to plan for billions of people. If that gives you comfort then I am happy for you. I could be wrong but that those that didn't fare to well in the plan probably didn't/don't find the same comfort
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I know many, many people who didn't fare too well in the plan who have found much comfort from their faith. They think things will be better at the end of this life. You keep mentioning "billions of years ago" but they are expecting to live in a better place for billions of years into the future.
 
Della said:
I know many, many people who didn't fare too well in the plan who have found much comfort from their faith. They think things will be better at the end of this life. You keep mentioning "billions of years ago" but they are expecting to live in a better place for billions of years into the future.
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Kind of makes a person wonder what they will think when they see all the misery taking place doesn't it. Like who is responsible?
 
Sunny said:
The people who believe this stuff do so because they have been taught to believe it, and in many cases have had fear instilled in them if they doubt any of it. It's a system of control of other people.
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I've gotta whole heartily agree with you @Sunny

Certain types of teaching/learning is quite harmful

I wrote something in wunna my old threads that seems pertinent;

There’s knowledge…then…..there’s knowledge

Been in many a conversation with folks of knowledge
Not talkin’ barroom confabs
Those usually lead to yelling matches and/or the introduction of mr knuckle to mr nose

No, serious discussions

Closed door conference room exec brainstorming, fix it meetings
Sometimes planned
Sometimes starting in hallways
Sometimes starting in washrooms
Sometimes after quarterly reports

Or

A fireside chat
One on one
Sipping an acceptable single malt
Maybe accompanied by a fine cigar
Those are nice

anyway

What I’ve noticed is, there’s at least two forms of knowledge

Experience
Academic

I can appreciate the academic in his quest to display what he’s been taught
But
That’s pretty much where it ends with me
No dis on him, no, it’s just that the academic usually has no way, no tool, to break down what he’s trying to convey into laymen’s terminology
It’s gotta be very frustrating for him
Then again, maybe even he doesn’t have that great of a grasp if he can’t…..

Had the pleasure of working alongside an older gentleman by the name of Moshofski
Heavily degreed
And had the savvy to back it up
With a pencil, a sketch, a few words of logic
accompanied with sweeping gestures of his pencil/wand, depicting thrust, while sketching something as simple as a tiny radius
molded into the inside of a 90° corner of the leg of a golf cart design
a very simple kindly gentleman
with the ability to break down his genius for the common man

He saved our little company a quarter million dollars in fifteen minutes of his time

These types have no need to belittle, to talk down, to put the subject under a microscope
No, they just kindly, gently show what they know
Then smile
Looking up at yer face, hoping to read understanding in the furrows of yer brow

Life is enjoyable around these folks

Quite the learning experience
 
I totally reject the image or concept of "God," and His alleged plan. I also totally object to the idea that you could pray to God and be delivered from danger, etc. Look at the thousands or millions of "good Christians" who died despite their faith, etc.

Having said that, I do have a feeling that there is something "greater than man." I can't help wonder at "Big Bang," and the wonder of Evolution. But I totally reject Man's effort to make such things in Man's own image.
 
ElCastor said:
Believe what you wish, but in my honest opinion the nature and vastness of the universe is beyond our comprehension. We may know a great deal, but not all by a long shot, so why should we presume to scorn beliefs that bring joy and understanding to so many of our friends and neighbors? That is why I am an agnostic.
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I'm best described as agnostic. I don't believe in gods or many of the stories in the bible(s). My beliefs that these are fictions can be supported and argued, ad nauseam, scientifically and historically - but can't be proven to the satisfaction of those who choose to believe.

Did some super-powered, non-corporeal intelligence create matter out of nothing or did matter just exist? That is my question.
 
Patricia said:
A couple of days ago, I mentioned that your speech pattern, writing, was different that than the others, regardless there are people from your area of the world on the forum. Just now when I noticed your post above Gary O, I realized the two of you both have an unusual language in wording style. Your threads the language is fluent and Gary more broken but ... Look on your earlier date threads, as the comment you made today doesn't so much reflect what I'm talking about that seemed consistent in your language writing earlier on. Are you two from the same area? What is the language difference from other people from the UK?
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I think Gary O and I were twin brothers, separated at birth, and serendipity has brought us together again on this forum, (I'm hoping so anyway, though what my dear old mum would have to say about it, or his dear old mum for that matter, I dont know!). :);)
 
dseag2 said:
I don't think God has a plan for my life.
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Proverbs 3:5-6​

Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.


Proverbs 16:9​

The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.
dseag2 said:
I think I am responsible for the decisions I make and the resulting life that I have.
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So true
 

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