Has Martin Luther King's dream turned into a nightmare?

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Ralphy1

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We celebrate his birthday but I wonder what he would think of race relations in the US today. My guess is that he would say that we have made a lot of progress in many ways but still have a long way to go. However, I think that having the first black president would have surprised him and encouraged him in his belief that we will make it some day to a point where the color of one's skin no longer matters...
 

Not a nightmare but a work still in progress.

I watched the movie Exodus yesterday and it ended with the hope that Arabs and Jews would exist side by side in the new nation of Israel. What has happened in the Middle East since that time is what I would certainly call a major nightmare.
 
Ralphy1 said:
We celebrate his birthday but I wonder what he would think of race relations in the US today. My guess is that he would say that we have made a lot of progress in many ways but still have a long way to go. However, I think that having the first black president would have surprised him and encouraged him in his belief that we will make it some day to a point where the color of one's skin no longer matters...
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I believe that electing our first Black president showed that the color of one's skin still matters very much indeed. For some reason, it seemed to give license to many people to voice overt racism; racism that until then had been pretty much confined to private conversations suddenly took full light. It surprised me. I like many Whites believed it was a thing of the past. To find out that it was still VERY much alive was an eye opener. I'm not sure that we have come very far at all.. At least not in the hearts and minds of may White Americans.
 

There will be change, already you see children playing together completely ignoring racial differences. And it will take the younger generation to make this change come about.
 
Exodus was quite a movie and it is sad to see the Miss Universe candidates from Lebanon and Israel squabbling...
 
Josiah09 said:
QS I share your feelings of disappointment. I thought President Obama's very urbane personae (no drama Obama) would protect him, but it hasn't.
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Goes to show how rooted and deep the cancer is.. As RR pointed out, perhaps racism will die out with the old.. BUT I doubt it. I see and hear many young people following in their parents' footsteps.. and are just as ugly if not more so. It was shocking and embarrassing to me as a White person to see how this very intelligent and qualified man was demeaned and disrespected at every turn. It was ONLY for the color of his skin, because many of the offenders were completely oblivious to politics and totally low information. I'm afraid we are going to have to continue to have anti-discrimination and voter rights laws to keep this at bay, because this appears to be passing down from generation to generation.
 
I agree, QS, I think too many are oblivious to their own racism...how can this situation ever be corrected if people do not even recognize it. I see it everyday where I live. It is sick.
 
Yes.. and notice how the very minute the Supreme Court struck down a key component to the voter Rights law, many states Immediately enacted voter disenfranchising laws previously disallowed. Congress has yet to fix that. I am afraid if left to their own devises, many States (especially Southern States) would go right back to the old Jim Crow legislation Dr. King fought so hard to eradicate. The ONLY thing preventing open season again on Blacks are the Civil Rights laws put in place by Lyndon Johnson. Racism is alive and well.. and deeply rooted, and as you say, many don't even realize it.
 
Race relations have been set back 50 years because of thugs like Mike Brown and the race baiters Al Sharpton, Eric Holder and such, plus the rioters and looters. Racism had been steadily improving since MLK days but have taken a big setback recently.

And some of you are showing your racism by claiming everyone who is against Obama it is because he is black. That is not true, we are against his policies and what he stands for. He was elected because he is black and got the black vote regardless of any knowledge of his agenda.

How many of you who supported Obama would vote for Allen West, Dr. Ben Carson, Mia Love, or Tim Scott? I would vote for any or all of them. If you wouldn't vote for them then you are a racist.
 
rkunsaw said:
Race relations have been set back 50 years because of thugs like Mike Brown and the race baiters Al Sharpton, Eric Holder and such, plus the rioters and looters. Racism had been steadily improving since MLK days but have taken a big setback recently.

And some of you are showing your racism by claiming everyone who is against Obama it is because he is black. That is not true, we are against his policies and what he stands for. He was elected because he is black and got the black vote regardless of any knowledge of his agenda.

How many of you who supported Obama would vote for Allen West, Dr. Ben Carson, Mia Love, or Tim Scott? I would vote for any or all of them. If you wouldn't vote for them then you are a racist.
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I totally agree that these recent riots in Ferguson, MO., and NYC have set race relations back several decades. A lot of people see this news coverage, and subconsciously equate All Blacks with this sort of criminal behavior. Insofar as Al Sharpton is concerned...IMO, he is Totally Racist. He is using every excuse he can come up with to fan the flames of hatred, for his own personal profit. He is nothing but a Tax Cheat and a Race Baiter.
 
Don M. said:
I totally agree that these recent riots in Ferguson, MO., and NYC have set race relations back several decades. A lot of people see this news coverage, and subconsciously equate All Blacks with this sort of criminal behavior. Insofar as Al Sharpton is concerned...IMO, he is Totally Racist. He is using every excuse he can come up with to fan the flames of hatred, for his own personal profit. He is nothing but a Tax Cheat and a Race Baiter.
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BUT you conveniently overlook the fact for the REASON they were and are protesting.. that being the unfair targeting of African Americans by police and the brutality of police against African Americans... These people would not be protesting if not for that. So what should they do... sit back and take it for another 50 years because their protests make YOU angry and uncomfortable and you can't stand the public figures bringing it to our collective attention and look to villainize and trivialize them? ... BS to that.. While I do not condone rioting and looting by any means.. Peaceful civil disobedience is a protected RIGHT... and that is how Dr. MLK made changes and that is how new changes will be made. Other civil rights leaders will lead the way.


(It's always nice when someone inadvertently proves my point)
 
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BUT you conveniently overlook the fact for the REASON there were and are protests.. that being the unfair targeting of African Americans by police and the brutality of police against African Americans... These people would not be protesting if not for that. So what should they do... sit back and take it for another 50 years because their protests make YOU angry and uncomfortable and you can't stand the public figures bringing it to our collective attention and look to villainize and trivialize them? ... BS to that.. While I do not condone rioting and looting by any means.. Peaceful civil disobedience is a protected RIGHT... and that is how Dr. MLK made changes and that is how new changes will be made. Other civil rights leaders will lead the way.


(It's always nice when someone inadvertently proves my point)
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:thumbsup1: All you have to do is see where their focus goes to in any conversation and it's quite clear of the core of the beliefs.

One thing I have to say about the electing of Obama and how some people saw it at least how I was feeling it. I for once thought how yes, we are truly moving forward, not, yaay we have a black president, but, yay, we as a people are truly coming together as a whole and seeing beyond color, unfortunately as QS says, it just brought out more of what was sitting quietly waiting to be voiced by those that have nothing but deep seated prejudices that were simmering and now boiling over just having their hay day. You'll know anytime you hear someone say being PC, that you can count on it that's just someone who harbors a degree of venom and hates being contained so now has a more polite way, actually their very own pc way of saying they feel inhibited to say things they know are offensive.

I think there's been great progress in some areas to some degree, but, there are many trying to turn the tide, however, it's going to end up working against them in the long run.
 
I also stop listening when someone says... "I'm not a racist, BUT........ That's a sure sign they are. There is always a "BUT". and it's always the "BUT" that lets their true feelings about another race show through loud and clear.
 
QuickSilver said:
BUT you conveniently overlook the fact for the REASON they were and are protesting.. that being the unfair targeting of African Americans by police and the brutality of police against African Americans... These people would not be protesting if not for that. So what should they do... sit back and take it for another 50 years because their protests make YOU angry and uncomfortable and you can't stand the public figures bringing it to our collective attention and look to villainize and trivialize them? ... BS to that.. While I do not condone rioting and looting by any means.. Peaceful civil disobedience is a protected RIGHT... and that is how Dr. MLK made changes and that is how new changes will be made. Other civil rights leaders will lead the way.

No, I Don't conveniently overlook anything...I just observe the news. The Blacks have allowed the scumbags in their midst to create a scenario whereby the entire Race is looked upon with suspicion because of the high rates of crime in their communities. As I recall, you are from the Chicago area...which historically has always had a high rate of violent crime. Do you pay attention to where that crime is being committed, and by Whom? In this part of the country, when a crime is reported on the local news, at least 3 times out of 5, the words "Young Black Male" appears in the suspect description. I suspect you would find the same to hold true in the Chicago area, if you are paying attention. It is this kind of activity that breeds the discrimination and police attitudes that continue to this day. MLK had the right idea, but unfortunately many of his people failed to get the message. MLK preached peaceful protest, but Sharpton has gotten fairly rich by fomenting upheaval, then profiting from it....and, failing to pay taxes on his ill gotten gains. Anyone who looks at him for guidance is missing the boat...he is "pimping" his own people.

(It's always nice when someone inadvertently proves my point)
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Your "point" might be valid, if it were based upon facts, instead of "opinion". Even Obama recognizes the problems that exist within the Black communities. If you go way back to the 2007 campaigns, he was asked by a member of the audience, during one of his campaign stops, what he attributed the high rate of crime among young Blacks to....and without a moments hesitation, Obama replied, "The Total Breakdown of the Black Family". Now, IF any of the So
Called current Civil Rights activists truly had the welfare of the Blacks at heart, they would be working hard on That issue. When a child is raised on the "streets" with little or no parental guidance, they are doomed to failure.
 
Don M. said:
No, I Don't conveniently overlook anything...I just observe the news. The Blacks have allowed the scumbags in their midst to create a scenario whereby the entire Race is looked upon with suspicion because of the high rates of crime in their communities. As I recall, you are from the Chicago area...which historically has always had a high rate of violent crime. Do you pay attention to where that crime is being committed, and by Whom? In this part of the country, when a crime is reported on the local news, at least 3 times out of 5, the words "Young Black Male" appears in the suspect description. I suspect you would find the same to hold true in the Chicago area, if you are paying attention. It is this kind of activity that breeds the discrimination and police attitudes that continue to this day. MLK had the right idea, but unfortunately many of his people failed to get the message. MLK preached peaceful protest, but Sharpton has gotten fairly rich by fomenting upheaval, then profiting from it....and, failing to pay taxes on his ill gotten gains. Anyone who looks at him for guidance is missing the boat...he is "pimping" his own people.



Your "point" might be valid, if it were based upon facts, instead of "opinion". Even Obama recognizes the problems that exist within the Black communities. If you go way back to the 2007 campaigns, he was asked by a member of the audience, during one of his campaign stops, what he attributed the high rate of crime among young Blacks to....and without a moments hesitation, Obama replied, "The Total Breakdown of the Black Family". Now, IF any of the So
Called current Civil Rights activists truly had the welfare of the Blacks at heart, they would be working hard on That issue. When a child is raised on the "streets" with little or no parental guidance, they are doomed to failure.
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Keep talking Don.. I don't even have to bother with a rebuttal.. lol!!
 
To blame so much on those evil white police just does not make sense. It seems to me that some of the police that were trying to end the riots and trying to get the people to avoid conflicts, were blacks themselves. so where are the real complaints and what are they. Too much of these comments are nothing but some jumping in with no real justification.
 
"I don't even have to bother with a rebuttal"

That's probably because you have None....other than to hurl the "R" word...which is the normal tactic of those who have nothing of substance to say.
 
AprilT said:
Vote for them based on what? And why even ask about them specifically?
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Because they are black. You accuse conservatives of being against Obama because he is black. You think every white person who didn't vote for him is racist. So the people I mentioned are black so that should be all you need to know to cast your vote.

But just FYI those I mentioned are all conservatives. Two have just been elected to congress and the other two are probably going to run for president in 2016. Can they count on your vote?
 
rkunsaw said:
Because they are black. You accuse conservatives of being against Obama because he is black. You think every white person who didn't vote for him is racist. So the people I mentioned are black so that should be all you need to know to cast your vote.

But just FYI those I mentioned are all conservatives. Two have just been elected to congress and the other two are probably going to run for president in 2016. Can they count on your vote?
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If you show me where I made such accusations about conservatives, I might attempt to answer the other nonsense. Do you realize how racist the comments you made sound, you really don't have to answer, I'm well aware you don't understand what you've written and you clearly don't understand how I think and see the world, which isn't black and white nor us against them.

WOW! All I need to know about the people you mentioned is that they are black. bwaaaahahahahah. :lofl::thankyou1:
 
Don M. said:
"I don't even have to bother with a rebuttal"

That's probably because you have None....other than to hurl the "R" word...which is the normal tactic of those who have nothing of substance to say.
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lol!!! I have plenty, but why bother... it's easier to let you continue to prove my point...
 
In 2015, I think a lot of us are disheartened by the steady ongoing racism in the world, especially in America. I don't vote for someone because of the color of their skin, regardless of political party. Although I have voted for republicans in the past, there is no way that I would have ever voted for Romney, he didn't know his own mind, and he was completely out of touch with the American people and the middle class citizen, IMO.

He didn't have to worry about the 47%, and wanted to destroy those nasty 'entitlements' of seniors, slash SS and give out Medicare vouchers. He could campaign on his yacht and send his dirty money overseas so he wouldn't have to pay American taxes.

Obama won both elections for one reason, because he was the better candidate for the job. Also, people were not happy with the constant oil wars (disguised to hide that fact) and declining economy brought on by republican leadership before him.

Nobody asked me, but there's no way I would vote for clowns like West, Carson, etc. Those two have made statements comparing being gay to bestiality and pedophilia, how anyone with an Obama bumper sticker was a threat to the gene pool, how liberal women were neutering American men, how Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery, how America is like Nazi Germany, how if a democrat wins in 2016, they're going to move to Australia, on and on...not going to mention all the garbage that comes out of these people's mouths.

I wouldn't want somebody of that mindset in charge of my country. They are perfect examples of the decline of the republican party, the party has spiraled downwards and keeps on going. Republicans seem to think that since Obama won, they can use a black man in their strategy to win, not so simple. It's the candidate and their ideals, not their race or sex that makes a good Presidential leader.
 
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