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http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/03/us/illinois-school-district-transgender-ruling/index.html

"Stealing" Jim's thread title... A high school student in Illinois is "transgendering". The student was born male, but is transgendering to live the rest of his/her life as a female. The student is on hormone therapy to 'enhance' certain female attributes, but has not had surgery. Hence, the student still has male "body parts below the waist".

The student has been allowed to participate in sports on the female teams. The student has been allowed access to the girls' locker room. The school put up curtains and required the student to shower/dress/undress behind those curtains. The student sued, saying his/her civil rights were being violated by singling him/her out and requiring different conditions than expected of the other female athletes.

The court ruled in his/her favor. The school must remove the curtains and allow the transgender teen to openly shower/dress/undress with the rest of the team members in the girls' locker room.

My thoughts...
1.) Being allowed to participate in sports as the gender she is transitioning to indicates the willingness of the school to accommodate. Is not moving forward with a civil suit to remove curtains bringing negative attention to the "cause" of those who wish to transgender?
2.) If you had a daughter in the same school, participating in the same sports, would you still allow her to do so knowing someone with full male "equipment" was showering openly with her?
3.) Do the youth of today see enough male/female nudity in movies and on television... and on their computers... that most will think nothing of showering with someone of opposite "equipment"?

If you were sitting on the court which adjudicated this civil filing, would you have voted to remove the curtains or leave them in place?
 

I would think that the girls have little to worry about from someone who considers herself to be a female.. I don't think "he" is interested in using that male equipment or ogle the girls do you? Or do you consider the mere presence of a ***** to be a threat?
 
I would leave the curtains in place.
Better still, I would provide curtains for all the girls to shower in privacy.
 

Warrigal said:
I would leave the curtains in place.
Better still, I would provide curtains for all the girls to shower in privacy.
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Because you view things, as I do, in an "old-fashioned" way. Perhaps as transgendering becomes a most commonplace circumstance, schools may be opened which enroll only transgendered students, of both sexes. That way, the students not comfortable with the concept, might be spared the hanging of curtains, skirting of issues, etc. imp
 
What I have noticed when taking teens camping is that the girls do value privacy and they will hold shower curtains in place for their friends.
I've never seen a girls' shower room without separate cubicles and either doors or curtains in place.
 
Warrigal said:
What I have noticed when taking teens camping is that the girls do value privacy and they will hold shower curtains in place for their friends.
I've never seen a girls' shower room without separate cubicles and either doors or curtains in place.
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'Tween you and me, I've never seen a girls' shower room!! :>)

Edit: Wasn't there a movie called "Porky's" that had some sorta shower room........ Why did we waste money going to see such flicks, anyway????
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bruce Jenner, in his TV coming out show, at least imply (by carefully dodging the question) that his surgery did not change his sexual preference?
 
NancyNGA said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bruce Jenner, in his TV coming out show, at least imply (by carefully dodging the question) that his surgery did not change his sexual preference?
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So this teenage boy who now is a girl, or is transgendering to become female, probably preferred girls while a boy and may still prefer girls... and is in the girls shower room with male equipment and...... I'm dizzy. Why is something so simply now so complicated?????
 
These sorts of questions regarding "keeping of equipment", or "change surgery', and so on, were bound to become tantalizing fodder for many folks to contemplate.

Personally, I do not. As always stated, what an individual does to or for his or her body, should be of no consequence to anyone else. Goes for drugs, sex, piercing, transgendering.

My stance on it, whether acceptable or not. imp
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
If you were sitting on the court which adjudicated this civil filing, would you have voted to remove the curtains or leave them in place?
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Transgender accommodations aside, I am dead set against the proliferation of frivolous lawsuits. I say dismiss the case and fine the plaintiff's counsel and hold him/her in Contempt of Court for abuse of the legal system.
 
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Yes, nothing like a gang shower to provide opportunities for humiliation for those who don't measure up in some way. Developing adolescents shouldn't be subjected to this situation in school.
 
Too fat, too skinny, too developed, not developed enough, which also applies to boys with some differences...
 
What I meant was that women are not as obsessed with their sexual organs the way men are. Heck.. would it surprise you to know that many women have never even looked at theirs?
 
Women may not be obsessed with their sexual organs but men are obsessed with all sexual organs...
 
My granddaughter says at her high school (1,800 students)there are 4 known transgender that always sit together at lunch and are subject to all kinds of abuse. For their safety they should transfer to another high school and shut up about their "choices".
The schools administrators are just as bad trying to control this situation.
 
Davey Jones said:
My granddaughter says at her high school (1,800 students)there are 4 known transgender that always sit together at lunch and are subject to all kinds of abuse. For their safety they should transfer to another high school and shut up about their "choices".
The schools administrators are just as bad trying to control this situation.
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Seriously? THEY should transfer????... How are these 4 students hurting anyone? How's about the other students learning a little tolerance and good manners?
 
My golly QuickSilver, that is just a school. Do you expect teachers to really educate someone?
 

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