Has PC gone too far... Take 2

It is hard to be different at any age, let alone adolescence. Perhaps the support services, counselors, psychologists, nurses, could do some programs to enlighten the student body...
 

QuickSilver said:
Seriously? THEY should transfer????... How are these 4 students hurting anyone? How's about the other students learning a little tolerance and good manners?
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I completely agree Quicksilver, why should they be booted out and told to shut up? The other kids should be learning to get along, why should these children even have to be isolated by sitting alone. School kids need to learn that everyone is not alike, and to treat them with respect and politeness. Reflection on bad parenting if these school children are so abusive.
 
Warrigal said:
I would leave the curtains in place.
Better still, I would provide curtains for all the girls to shower in privacy.
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I agree with, Warrigal, girls deserve the right to privacy, regardless if the government takes over their rights to privacy, so transgenders with male *******ia can shower without curtains with teenage girl students. In my opinion, the government is definitely overstepping their boundaries.
 

Misty said:
I agree with, Warrigal, girls deserve the right to privacy, regardless if the government takes over their rights to privacy, so transgenders with male *******ia can shower without curtains with teenage girl students. In my opinion, the government is definitely overstepping their boundaries.
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you seriously believe this? Where has the "government" outlawed curtains in locker room showers? A "court order" is NOT legislation.

It's not clear from the article... was the transgendered student the ONLY student that had a shower curtain.. If so.. then I can understand the lawsuit. It would make more sense that the order would have been that EVERY shower stall have curtains.. and the EVERYONE showered behind a curtain... I don't know of many females that wouldn't prefer it that way... with or without a transgender present.
 
QuickSilver said:
you seriously believe this? Where has the "government" outlawed curtains in locker room showers? A "court order" is NOT legislation.

It's not clear from the article... was the transgendered student the ONLY student that had a shower curtain.. If so.. then I can understand the lawsuit. It would make more sense that the order would have been that EVERY shower stall have curtains.. and the EVERYONE showered behind a curtain... I don't know of many females that wouldn't prefer it that way... with or without a transgender present.
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I said nothing in my post that government has outlawed or legislated no shower curtains in locker room showers. The subject discussed was a transgender student with male anatomy being allowed to shower with girl students with no restrictions. If the school does not go along with the recent decision, there can be administrative law proceedings, or a Justice Department court action, against the school.
 
Ralphy1 said:
It is hard to be different at any age, let alone adolescence. Perhaps the support services, counselors, psychologists, nurses, could do some programs to enlighten the student body...
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Or maybe those wishing to undergo gender reassignment at ANY age should realize - or be flat-out told - that YES, they ARE different and they ARE going to have a tough time.

If I get a pink mullet and a gold ring through my nose, I expect to have more than a few comments made and maybe even a few physical assaults. Why are these people any different?

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few - at least in THIS society. At least for now ... but it appears that that concept is always being fought and slowly being changed to accommodate everyone who is even slightly different.
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/03/us/illinois-school-district-transgender-ruling/index.html

"Stealing" Jim's thread title... A high school student in Illinois is "transgendering". The student was born male, but is transgendering to live the rest of his/her life as a female. The student is on hormone therapy to 'enhance' certain female attributes, but has not had surgery. Hence, the student still has male "body parts below the waist".

The student has been allowed to participate in sports on the female teams. The student has been allowed access to the girls' locker room. The school put up curtains and required the student to shower/dress/undress behind those curtains. The student sued, saying his/her civil rights were being violated by singling him/her out and requiring different conditions than expected of the other female athletes.

The court ruled in his/her favor. The school must remove the curtains and allow the transgender teen to openly shower/dress/undress with the rest of the team members in the girls' locker room.

My thoughts...
1.) Being allowed to participate in sports as the gender she is transitioning to indicates the willingness of the school to accommodate. Is not moving forward with a civil suit to remove curtains bringing negative attention to the "cause" of those who wish to transgender?
2.) If you had a daughter in the same school, participating in the same sports, would you still allow her to do so knowing someone with full male "equipment" was showering openly with her?
3.) Do the youth of today see enough male/female nudity in movies and on television... and on their computers... that most will think nothing of showering with someone of opposite "equipment"?

If you were sitting on the court which adjudicated this civil filing, would you have voted to remove the curtains or leave them in place?
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Quote " ******* surgery[edit]

Main article: Vaginoplasty
When changing anatomical sex from male to female, the testicles are removed, and the skin of foreskin and ***** is usually inverted, as a flap preserving blood and nerve supplies (a technique pioneered by Sir Harold Gillies in 1951), to form a fully sensitive ****** (vaginoplasty). A clitoris fully supplied with nerve endings (innervated) can be formed from part of the glans of the *****. If the patient has been circumcised (removal of the foreskin), or if the surgeon's technique uses more skin in the formation of the labia minora, the pubic hair follicles are removed from some of the scrotal tissue, which is then incorporated by the surgeon within the ******. Other scrotal tissue forms the labia majora."

She should look like all the other girls after her transformation.
 
I see in GOM's original post that this student has not had that surgery. So, biologically, he is still a male. I can't understand the reasoning in that. I would think he would want to be all one or the other. In any case, he should be kept separate from the girls until he can be considered a female.
 
Shirley said:
I see in GOM's original post that this student has not had that surgery. So, biologically, he is still a male. I can't understand the reasoning in that. I would think he would want to be all one or the other. In any case, he should be kept separate from the girls until he can be considered a female.
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Because a ***** is poisonous... Just kidding..


But I think that there should be shower curtains for every one.. I've never seen a girls locker room that didn't have separate shower stalls with curtains.. Most girls don't even want to be naked in front of other girls either.
 
I don't want to shower in front of other women... I would if I had too... for whatever reason made it necessary although I cannot think of one.... But I wouldn't do it by choice.. Does any woman REALLY feel comfortable naked in front of others?
 
They should have shower curtains for everyone. Like QS, I've never been in a locker room that didn't have either curtains or doors, and I certainly think school locker rooms should have them. I think most girls that age (HS) are self-conscious about their bodies and I think most, if not all, girls would want privacy as they showered, and they should be allowed that privacy. I would think the transgender person would want some privacy, too.
 
Shirley said:
I see in GOM's original post that this student has not had that surgery. So, biologically, he is a male. I can't understand the reasoning in that. I would think he would want to be all one or the other. In any case, he should be kept separate from the girls until he can be considered a female.
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At a county jail I used to work at, no individual that had external *******ia(as in *****) was going to get housed in a female unit. Instead, all LGBT inmates were put in single cell units, segregated from the general population. Referred to as "alternative lifestyle" inmates.
 
QuickSilver said:
I don't want to shower in front of other women... I would if I had too... for whatever reason made it necessary although I cannot think of one.... But I wouldn't do it by choice.. Does any woman REALLY feel comfortable naked in front of others?
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Did you shower with the other girls in high school? How was that done, if so? Almost all the folks I have asked from around the Chicago area revealed that, just as we had at Morton High in Cicero, the boys were required to shower before entering the swimming pool, and all phys. ed. swimming was done in the nude. Only guy there clothed was the Coach, who occasionally was known to strip down and jump in. The girls showered together, but wore swimwear in the pool. Needless to say, we always wondered what kind of decision-making policy was behind collective naked swimming. 'Course, we guys now and then tried to sneak in a look into the girls' showers, but getting caught was a high-risk proposition! imp
 
The P-C 1980s

Back then, it had become improper to speak of an individual's physical maladies as other than "physically challenged". One news announcer on morning T-V took that to it's funny conclusion: "We have a "physically-challenged" car blocking the outside lane on I-10 and 51st. Ave." The accidents were "operationally-challenged".
 
Every girls shower room I've ever entered had shower curtains or doors of sorts, so, this no shower curtain policy in general comes as a surprise to me. Way back when many women tended to be more modest when it came to nudity in front of others, not so much the case today, but, I know even at general workout facilities there are curtains where the women shower. Maybe these days the schools want to save pennies and no longer replace the old curtains. I don't know.
 
imp said:
Did you shower with the other girls in high school? How was that done, if so? Almost all the folks I have asked from around the Chicago area revealed that, just as we had at Morton High in Cicero, the boys were required to shower before entering the swimming pool, and all phys. ed. swimming was done in the nude. Only guy there clothed was the Coach, who occasionally was known to strip down and jump in. The girls showered together, but wore swimwear in the pool. Needless to say, we always wondered what kind of decision-making policy was behind collective naked swimming. 'Course, we guys now and then tried to sneak in a look into the girls' showers, but getting caught was a high-risk proposition! imp
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At our school we had a gymnasium equipped with showers but the lessons were only 40 minutes long and the teachers gave us very little time for changing, so showers were dispensed with. For swimming sessions we had longer and were ferried to and from the pool by bus. We would hit the change rooms and change in the open space but we were very adept at keeping ourselves covered while we wriggled into our one piece togs. We didn't bother to shower before rushing out to the pool. Afterwards we would take a cold shower while still in our togs and then perform the change in reverse, using the towel for cover. We would no more have stood naked in front of our friends than we would have flown to the moon.
 
My high school in the early '70's was and had been exclusively male. In my Junior year they decide to bring 6 - yes, six - girls into the population of 350 males.

As you might imagine, this created a bit of pandemonium. (/understatement)

Our gymnasium had shower facilities, but they were totally open - no walls between the stalls, no curtains. We guys just hung out in the breeze after gym class, and beside a few jerks making trouble there were rarely any issues.

Then the girls came along. The mucky-mucks ran around like chickens without heads, wondering what to do. They ignored our generous offer to share shower time with the ladies and decided to just give the girls their own shower times, with a few burly guards to make sure there was no inappropriate visitors.

But those girls had to shower without any curtains ...
 
imp said:
Did you shower with the other girls in high school? How was that done, if so? Almost all the folks I have asked from around the Chicago area revealed that, just as we had at Morton High in Cicero, the boys were required to shower before entering the swimming pool, and all phys. ed. swimming was done in the nude. Only guy there clothed was the Coach, who occasionally was known to strip down and jump in. The girls showered together, but wore swimwear in the pool. Needless to say, we always wondered what kind of decision-making policy was behind collective naked swimming. 'Course, we guys now and then tried to sneak in a look into the girls' showers, but getting caught was a high-risk proposition! imp
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I went to Kelly at 43rd & California.. Showers were individual stalls with curtains.. Boys swam in the nude.. We had ugly green tank suits.
 
And the YMCA had swimming in the nude here. Don't know about the YWCA...
 

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