Health Care CEO murdered in NYC in a targeted attack

HermitHogan said:
Brian Thompson was responsible for a lot of needless suffering, which makes him an a-hole. Ridding the world of an a-hole is always a good thing.
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Please explain Brian Thompson’s responsibility for “a lot of needless suffering”.
 

HermitHogan said:
The difference is: health insurance is a necessity. You can't live without it unless you want to rely on emergency rooms, which result in enormous debt that could ruin your life. Junk food is not a necessity; it's a bad habit.
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Gotcha. So someone should go shoot every CEO of every health insurance company in the back, yes? Kim Keck is the CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield. Do you, then, feel that she should be murdered? David Holmberg of Highmark? Highmark has screwed a dear cousin of mine over and over in past years... hundreds of thousands of dollars for uncovered health crisis issues... you saying they should be next?

Just trying to understand where it comes from that killing a CEO is fine and dandy if they charge too much for healthcare or even shockingly deny too many claims (which is horrid, sure!) I can't even believe I needed to type those words. :cry:
 
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ElCastor said:
Please explain Brian Thompson’s responsibility for “a lot of needless suffering”.
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UnitedHealthcare dismissed about one in every three claims in 2023 — the most of any major insurer. That's twice the industry average of 16%, according to data from ValuePenguin, a consumer research site owned by LendingTree that specializes in insurance.

The CEO is responsible for company policy, and in the case of UnitedHealthcare, company policy was to intentionally deny claims that would have been approved by more ethical insurance companies. Having a claim denied translates to "needless suffering."
 

HermitHogan said:
UnitedHealthcare dismissed about one in every three claims in 2023 — the most of any major insurer. That's twice the industry average of 16%, according to data from ValuePenguin, a consumer research site owned by LendingTree that specializes in insurance.
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Untrue. Value Penguin lists UHC at 33% denial, yep. But coming in next are ALL above the 16% you quoted. Second is Molina (26%); Anthem Blue Cross (23%); Blue Cross Blue Shield (20% denial.) The only recognizable one that is actually under the 16% "industry average" you quoted is Kaiser Permanente.

Insurance Claim Denials: Worst Companies and How to Appeal
 
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NY does have the Insanity plea.
Even though " it seemed well.planned"..
He did some weird 'stuff' before/ahead of.
"Some-what off"!
 
CallMeKate said:
Untrue. Value Penguin lists UHC at 33% denial, yep. But coming in next are ALL above the 16% you quoted. Second is Molina (26%); Anthem Blue Cross (23%); Blue Cross Blue Shield (20% denial.) The only recognizable one that is actually under the 16% "industry average" you quoted is Kaiser Permanente.

Insurance Claim Denials: Worst Companies and How to Appeal
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Recent Medicare data reveals that the industry average for denied claims has reached 17%, with UnitedHealthcare (UNH) showing the highest denial rate at 33%.
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/healthcare-concerns-rise-insurers-deny-182141328.html
 
Did anyone see the 1 hr.'Special' by TMZ
this past M.1/6..?
mental health experts all stated that LM
has mental problems
didn't specify
I suspect 'a bit of Asperger' etc.etc.😉
 
Diminished capacity or not, he's done for. Pleading not guilty is thumbing his nose at the court. If his intent was to call attention to the Health Industry crookedness, he should have proudly pled guilty.
 
ohioboy said:
Diminished capacity or not, he's done for. Pleading not guilty is thumbing his nose at the court. If his intent was to call attention to the Health Industry crookedness, he should have proudly pled guilty.
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Almost no one pleads guilty. Once you do, you don't get a trial. He wants a trial; he knows he is "done for."
 
HermitHogan said:
health insurance is a necessity
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RadishRose said:
Why?
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againstthegrain said:
To protect one's wealth in the event of an expensive health condition.
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If you aren't wealthy, it is a necessity because otherwise you won't get medical treatment.

I've been watching the old 2007 Sicko movie on YouTube, there is one uninsured guy who accidentally sawed off two of his fingers, and he had to choose between paying $65,000 to have the middle finger reattached and/or $12,000 to have the tip of the ring finger reattached. He didn't have much money, so he only got to have the ring finger fixed. So sad.

There was also a part of the documentary that someone was testifying to Congress that they caused a person to die but not only were they not held responsible, they were promoted and paid more because they'd saved their health insurer employer a half million dollars by doing that.

 
HoneyNut said:
If you aren't wealthy, it is a necessity because otherwise you won't get medical treatment.

I've been watching the old 2007 Sicko movie on YouTube, there is one uninsured guy who accidentally sawed off two of his fingers, and he had to choose between paying $65,000 to have the middle finger reattached and/or $12,000 to have the tip of the ring finger reattached. He didn't have much money, so he only got to have the ring finger fixed. So sad.

There was also a part of the documentary that someone was testifying to Congress that they caused a person to die but not only were they not held responsible, they were promoted and paid more because they'd saved their health insurer employer a half million dollars by doing that.
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Society, and community, needs standards. Health care is, IMO, an universal right. If we don't invest, as a society, in both education and healthcare, then we simply can't call ourselves civilized. This is especially true of the richest 10 countries on the planet (let alone the richest!).

You want people to be contributing members of society? Keep them healthy.

Healthcare for profit means you accept some won't have access, and that - for me - is inexcusable.
 
As shocking as I found the cowardly murder to be, I'm appalled by those who seek to defend the murderous actions in any manner and by any means. I'm reminded that I’ve heard smarter things from schizophrenics with Tourette's and realize whatever is eating at those irrational defenders, must be suffering horribly!
 
Naturally said:
As shocking as I found the cowardly murder to be, I'm appalled by those who seek to defend the murderous actions in any manner and by any means. I'm reminded that I’ve heard smarter things from schizophrenics with Tourette's and realize whatever is eating at those irrational defenders, must be suffering horribly!
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Can I be honest? I think, given what I see/hear from the countries leaders - I'm not at all surprised. If you turn the temperature to 100, things will boil.
 
I can see why some might be irate about their health care insurers- even to the point of assassination of an insurer CEO. Luigi Mangione's (the CEO murderer) defense fund is well over $150,000, that's only one such fund. I don't know if I have a dark mind, but I keep thinking about the thousands of L.A. residents, who had their fire insurance canceled or not renewed, just a few months before the fire. I'm not sure I'd want to be the CEO of one of those insurance companies. We live in a copycat era on the internet.
 
RadishRose said:
Why?
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Because few people can afford to pay cash for it. My cataract removals were each billed at $30,000, before Medicare took care of the vast majority of it. Shocking, and of course I know that Medicare didn't pay the entire enchilada. BUT cash customers would have paid a small fortune to have 2 cataracts removed. There's a lot of profit built into that figure ($60K total) ... assuming anyone actually pays that.
 

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