Health Care CEO murdered in NYC in a targeted attack

The DOJ investigation into United Health Care includes insider trading a proposed 3 billion dollar acquisition of a competitor.

DOJ launched probe into UnitedHealth for insider trading and attempted to stop monopoly

Unless the killer is working for a health care group or movement the insider trading could be a more probable issue than the merger. If a millionaire trader invested heavily in United in stock or options they also could've lost their millions if they invested too much money there/ had an unbalanced portfolio.

And why single out United and not other insurance or health care ceos?
 

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HermitHogan said:
This might be part of the motive...
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I think this is not the type of "execution" that some disgruntled policy holder plans and carries out... but I know I could be wrong there. This sounds like it may have been targeted for something much bigger. @Happyflowerlady mentioned insider trading. This kind of killing is about something more than denied claims, lousy coverage, or high premiums that made one policy holder snap and plan an execution. My two cents.
 
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In a video that was shown here in Canada during last night's 10 pm news...The shooter was using a semi automatic hand gun with a silencer attached to the weapon. As he followed the victim, the shooter cycled the weapon a number of times using his right hand, while holding the gun in his left hand. AS I saw that I thought "He has a jam, and he is clearing the jammed cartridge". Now I think that the shooter was deliberately ejecting a couple of "marked rounds " with that cryptic message printed on them. He fired a number of rounds into the back of the victim, then ran away. JIM.
 

Rakaia said:
@Buckeye
I'm not suggesting that murder is acceptable but I am saying that it is understandable, desperate people do desperate things.
Actions have consequences, this applies to a parasitic insurance company as well as a murderer.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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I firmly believe, on reflection, that I got that right and I repeat it without hesitation.
 
againstthegrain said:
Look at reply #42.
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If it's a start of a rampage against health insurance companies I could see that but still a couple of companies that deny about 1/4 of the claims.

They said the bullets were engraved not drawn on. The methodical nature of the messaging could mean there are more to come. As Jim stated the 'jams' could've been on purpose just to deliver the message.
 
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People sometimes take the law into their own hands when they can't get results any other way.

With guns everywhere in the US and the heartlessness of most corporations, it's a little shocking that more C-suite execs haven't been bumped off.

I quote President Lyndon Johnson regarding US race rioting in 1968, "What did you expect? I don't know why we're so surprised. When you put your foot on a man's neck and hold him down for three hundred years, and then you let him up, what's he going to do? He's going to knock your block off."

The shooter's version of being "let up" was easy access to a deadly weapon. Sounds like motive wasn't a problem.
 
In the Starbucks video of the shooter.......He is not wearing gloves.

That may have been how the investigators were able to lift DNA swipes so quickly after the shooting took place. Tracing the unfired rounds, with the messages on them will involve back tracing them, starting with the manufacturer, and working along the distribution network to the point of sales location. If the shooter handled those rounds "bare handed " there may be DNA traces on the casings.

In the Starbucks video , the shooter is wearing a mask while waiting to be served, but the camera view is from above his head, and a part of his face is visible, establishing that he is a white male, with a thin nose. By looking at the exit video, the investigators may be able to establish his height, by comparing him to the height of the exit doors frame. If he carried anything out of Starbucks his dominant hand could be established by the video evidence.

The back pack is of interest to investigators for a number of reasons. NYC garbage handlers should have received a hand out that shows what the back pack looks like by now, so the sanitation workers would recognize it if it shows up in a garbage can or dumpster in the city center area.

The E bike is a part of the NYC bike rental service. The shooter would have to have used either a credit/debit card, or a phone app, to rent the bike. That bike rental data may result in developing information about the identity of the shooter. Again that bike is going to be the subject of a thorough forensic examination.

My opinion....This was a targeted act. The shooter intended to leave evidence behind, in the form of the ejected but unfired casings, with the cryptic messages on them. The shooter thinks he is smarter than law enforcement is. He will have made errors, and those will eventually lead to the suspect's arrest. As to motive...Who knows ? JIM.
 
jimintoronto said:
In the Starbucks video of the shooter.......He is not wearing gloves.

That may have been how the investigators were able to lift DNA swipes so quickly after the shooting took place. Tracing the unfired rounds, with the messages on them will involve back tracing them, starting with the manufacturer, and working along the distribution network to the point of sales location. If the shooter handled those rounds "bare handed " there may be DNA traces on the casings.

In the Starbucks video , the shooter is wearing a mask while waiting to be served, but the camera view is from above his head, and a part of his face is visible, establishing that he is a white male, with a thin nose. By looking at the exit video, the investigators may be able to establish his height, by comparing him to the height of the exit doors frame. If he carried anything out of Starbucks his dominant hand could be established by the video evidence.

The back pack is of interest to investigators for a number of reasons. NYC garbage handlers should have received a hand out that shows what the back pack looks like by now, so the sanitation workers would recognize it if it shows up in a garbage can or dumpster in the city center area.

The E bike is a part of the NYC bike rental service. The shooter would have to have used either a credit/debit card, or a phone app, to rent the bike. That bike rental data may result in developing information about the identity of the shooter. Again that bike is going to be the subject of a thorough forensic examination.

My opinion....This was a targeted act. The shooter intended to leave evidence behind, in the form of the ejected but unfired casings, with the cryptic messages on them. The shooter thinks he is smarter than law enforcement is. He will have made errors, and those will eventually lead to the suspect's arrest. As to motive...Who knows ? JIM.
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Some say that's a luxury back pack and if they tracking on a computer program that might be unique identifier that can be used.

Couldn't tell from pictures but pictures of bullets on the ground looks like 380 round. Sub sonic rounds work in better in a smaller caliber or go through a silencer better?
 
CallMeKate said:
I think this is not the type of "execution" that some disgruntled policy holder plans and carries out... but I know I could be wrong there. This sounds like it may have been targeted for something much bigger. @Happyflowerlady mentioned insider trading. This kind of killing is about something more than denied claims, lousy coverage, or high premiums that made one policy holder snap and plan an execution. My two cents.
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I agree. The "hit" seems way more 'professional' than a disgruntled policy holder. Some hot head from Frostbite Falls, Mont. is not going to know that the best way to elude cops in NYC is by bike. I think this was a big bucks hit- somebody paid a fortune for the hit.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I agree. The "hit" seems way more 'professional' than a disgruntled policy holder. Some hot head from Frostbite Falls, Mont. is not going to know that the best way to elude cops in NYC is by bike. I think this was a big bucks hit- somebody paid a fortune for the hit.
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No, but a NY-er would. It could have been a local...

A professional wouldn't have left behind a used Starbucks cup with his DNA all over it. I'm no pro, but even I would know better than that...

That's assuming they really found his cup.
 
In some respects almost appears to be a woman ie the high cheeks although they're smiling. Also the teeth seem too perfect. There was another picture of them during the shooting and shoes looked small and pointed. It all could have to do with angle, quality, lighting etc.
 
Because of words written on shell casings, Delay Deny Defend, that relate to an anti insurance book it seems the murder may, or may not, relate to an insurance issue.

That aside I am reminded of an insurance case I was involved in, and resolved in a far different way. My car was rear ended in San Francisco doing about $600 in damage. The party who hit me gave me his insurance info, an east coast based company.

I called them over and over, and all I got was an endless list of excuses. I was determined not to give up! I spoke to a State agency and confirmed they were licensed to do business in California.

After numerous other calls I got the phone number of the CEO of the company, called him and left a message explaining that I had spoken to a state agency, and would be oh so sorry if more calls jeopardized their ability to do business in California. Next day my phone rang — it was a woman I had never spoken to asking where she could send the check. (-8
 
Rakaia said:
@Buckeye
I'm not suggesting that murder is acceptable but I am saying that it is understandable, desperate people do desperate things.
Actions have consequences, this applies to a parasitic insurance company as well as a murderer.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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I did a lot of work for UnitedHealth during my career. They are about as "parasitic" as a supermarket. Your suggestion that this is somehow understandable is truly repellent. No one likes health insurance companies, no one likes paying for drugs and treatments, but that's the system we have here.
 
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