Health Care CEO murdered in NYC in a targeted attack

A 50-year-old should know better to walk a sidewalk in NYC. Muggings.
He should have been in a Large SUV with bodyguards. NYC is not Lolly Burg.
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United Health care is the program provided by AARP, which a lot of seniors belong to. I wonder if AARP is having issues because of the investigation of UHC by the Department of Justice ?
 

Irishdude said:
No, not at all. A paid hit man wouldn't have written on his cartridges with a Sharpie, nor stayed in a hostel, nor carried along a cell phone, nor fired from 15 feet or so. This is someone with a personal grudge against UHC, or an anarchist type making a point.
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Yes, that makes sense.... I was thinking someone with that personal grudge against UHC hired the killer and provided those signature bullets. The cell phone was a burner. Maybe the hit man wasn't up to snuff.
 
HermitHogan said:
Most of us wouldn't consider affordable health insurance "radical."

The system is broken and there's no will to fix it — not by our representatives, anyway. The case could easily be made that our "representatives" don't represent us; they represent big money donors. All that matters any more is money. The lives of ordinary people don't matter — especially not by insurance companies.

Voting doesn't work. Protests don't work. So what options are left?
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Murder is radical wether done by a group or individual.
 
HermitHogan said:
Most of us wouldn't consider affordable health insurance "radical."

The system is broken and there's no will to fix it — not by our representatives, anyway. The case could easily be made that our "representatives" don't represent us; they represent big money donors. All that matters any more is money. The lives of ordinary people don't matter — especially not by insurance companies.

Voting doesn't work. Protests don't work. So what options are left?
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There is no system, that's the problem. We have a patchwork approach to health care that dates back to WWII. But using your logic we could justify homicide against doctors, hospital executives, and pharmaceutical company executives as well as any other "bloodsucking industries."

Of course, you're probably one of the folks who decries "violent rhetoric" when you don't agree with it.
 
I'm actually surprised this type of event didn't occur earlier.

You've got more guns than people in the United States...added to the mix is a faulty/ lousy Heath Care System. But I suppose today in particular, everyone is on edge with hyperinflation...desperately trying to have a piece of the figurative pie.

The gulf between the halves and halve nots has become a chasm. I envision more acts of vigilantism down the road as the population becomes more desperate.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
They said on the news that he was being investigated by the DOJ for insider trading, and they think that the killing might be related to that. What I read was that there was speculation of it being a professional hit job, since the shooter used a silencer and maybe special ammunition.
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I read, too, that the gun jammed and the shooter quickly sorted it out and continued firing. That suggests he's an experienced shooter, which makes me think it may have indeed been a professional hit.

So sad, though. I feel particularly bad for the two sons left behind.
 
Buckeye said:
Are you seriously suggesting the murder was justified? Really?
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I think what the suggestion is that people (the insured or their families) fight and fight with insurance companies, insurance companies deny, deny, deny. Those that have serious illness and those watching (family) get frustrated and some people can simply snap if they get pushed far enough. Isn't a justification but a reality and insurance companies need to be aware.
 
Buckeye said:
Sorry, but if you think it is "understandable" (your word, not mine) then to you it is acceptable. We've all been desperate, but I don't think any of us on here have committed such a cowardly act. Sad that you are okay with it. "Actions have consequences" indeed...
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"Understandable" is not the same as "acceptable". Understandable as in empathy. Doesn't mean one is "Okay" with it either, just that one is able to see the position of another, whether it is "right" or "wrong" has nothing to do with it.
 
Beezer said:
I'm actually surprised this type of event didn't occur earlier.

You've got more guns than people in the United States...added to the mix is a faulty/ lousy Heath Care System. But I suppose today in particular, everyone is on edge with hyperinflation...desperately trying to have a piece of the figurative pie.

The gulf between the halves and halve nots has become a chasm. I envision more acts of vigilantism down the road as the population becomes more desperate.
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You pretty much hit the nail on the head(except "hyperinflation", inflation in the U.S. is 2.6%) Social Media has been pretty mean spirited and unsympathetic.
 
I listened to a lady tonight that was explaining what is happening with UHC, and if true, I can see why so many people would be upset with them.
Last February, there was a cyber break-in at the main headquarters for UHC, where claims are sent to be processed. Even though this was almost a year ago, apparently, they are still trying to get things working right again, and in the meantime, doctors could not send in any medical claims to get them processed by UHC.
Because UHC is one of the very largest insurance conglomerates (when you count their subsidiaries) , this had a bad financial affect on doctors , clinics, and hospitals.

What UHC did was tell the doctors and clinics that they would help them save their business by purchasing it, and many of them sold out to UHC.
This means that UHC now owned the facilitiy where the patient gets treated, the processing company where those claims are processed, and also makes the payouts for those claims. So, they literally controlled the whole system in these cases where they bought out the clinic or hospital.

She said that this is why (or at least one of the reasons) UHC was under investigation by the DOJ. They could completely deny paying a person’s claims, or deny treatment, and it all stayed under their umbrella.
If this CEO was about to become a whistleblower to explain how this works to the DOJ, it is easy to see why someone would have wanted him not to be able to testify.
 
papa tiger said:
A 50-year-old should know better to walk a sidewalk in NYC. Muggings.
He should have been in a Large SUV with bodyguards. NYC is not Lolly Burg.
Remember Here's Johnny !
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What are you, a big baby? I was born in NYC and there are virtually very few places that are unsafe. I go where I want, always have, no problems. Geez, you must be easy to scare, pops tiger.
 
Pepper said:
I was born in NYC and there are virtually very few places that are unsafe. I go where I want, always have, no problems.
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I've always thought of NYC as a safe place in most areas. I've also thought the same about most of D.C. and have walked on Capitol Hill at 5 a.m. There are places, as in any city, that you don't venture into... but that's a given. This guy just walking out of a Hilton in that location was something I wouldn't have given a second thought to either.
 
I though Obamacare was supposed to reign in the use of denial of claims by insurance companies, but maybe that was something they only talked about while selling the concept. Or maybe I just assumed that along with the pre existing condition part.
 
Pepper said:
What are you, a big baby? I was born in NYC and there are virtually very few places that are unsafe. I go where I want, always have, no problems. Geez, you must be easy to scare, pops tiger.
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Agreed. I worked in Hunts Point in the South Bronx for decades including night shifts and never had an issue other than w the cops. In the late 70's walking past the hookers and transvestites on the walk to Mary's Diner at 4am was entertaining at times.

JustDave said:
I though Obamacare was supposed to reign in the use of denial of claims by insurance companies, but maybe that was something they only talked about while selling the concept. Or maybe I just assumed that along with the pre existing condition part.
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Pretty sure you're thinking of pre-existing conditions.

"Under the Affordable Care Act, health insurance companies can’t refuse to cover you or charge you more just because you have a “pre-existing condition” — that is, a health problem you had before the date that new health coverage starts. They also can’t charge women more than men."
 
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