Heard an interesting phrase... (for discussion)..

MrJim said:
I've seen one called "After Humans". I think it was on The History Channel

It's odd because long before these programs etc ever came out, I would occasionally try to imagine the stages of nature's reclamation of the Earth at various specific stages, like 100 years, 500 years, 1,000 years, 10,000 years, 50,000 years etc, etc, and try to imagine things like how long it would take for things like skyscrapers, bridges, dams, etc.to start falling down.
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YES! THE HISTORY CHANNEL
INTERESTING HOW YOU WERE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT HOW THE PLANET WOULD STEP BY STEP CHANGE WITHOUT PEOPLE. FASCINATING BUT ALSO KIND OF SCARY AND SAD.
 
MrJim said:
I've seen one called "After Humans". I think it was on The History Channel

It's odd because long before these programs etc ever came out, I would occasionally try to imagine the stages of nature's reclamation of the Earth at various specific stages, like 100 years, 500 years, 1,000 years, 10,000 years, 50,000 years etc, etc, and try to imagine things like how long it would take for things like skyscrapers, bridges, dams, etc.to start falling down.
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YES! ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL,
 
I don't think humans have every acted outside the laws of nature. That would be impossible. The earth will correct what we have got wrong, and go on. We aren't really that powerful or important. :)
 
Olivia said:
Medicine is science. Deciding what to do with it is society.
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Am thinking perhaps "deciding what to do with medicine" is human moral consciousness and thinking; a human does not need "society" to "decide what to do" with medicine. I believe a "society" is a group of thinking/conscious humans who agree among them what to do with medicines discovered by individuals as well as groups of humans.
 
Paco Dennis said:
I don't think humans have every acted outside the laws of nature. That would be impossible. The earth will correct what we have got wrong, and go on. We aren't really that powerful or important. :)
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Are you using the "Laws of Nature" synonymously with certain laws of Physics?: like Boyle's Law; Newton's Law; Kepler's Laws, etc? The physical sciences?
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Are you using the "Laws of Nature" synonymously with certain laws of Physics?: like Boyle's Law; Newton's Law; Kepler's Laws, etc? The physical sciences?
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Anything humans can measure, observe, research, etc...everything. Where did it come from? The human mind. How did that develop. Surviving/adapting/inventing. We might have over done it a bit, and nature will balance itself, and I am sure we will learn something. We are not in any way separate from nature.

This idea of blaming, or thinking humans behaved in a way that was not natural/or following natural laws of evolutionary advantage, is sophomoric reasoning.
IMO :)
 
Ha ha ha, Woo - Woo!

Seriously though if we used Horse, Mule, Donkey, Goat carts, Oxen field workers,
to do the work, transportation, Agriculture, shipping, the Stench would be awful.
Watching those animals turn the crank of the power generators, power the cranes
to construct the Wind generators, / lift to put Solars on roofs seems cruel.

Think of 100,000 Mule across the road, in the fields from your place.
A million horses across the River, a few miles from you and the wind blowing the stench at cha.
Then the millions of breed stock in your state to keep it current, Oh the stench! The pain of it all!
 
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CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
I was thinking the WHOLE time covid was "untamed": "Boy is THIS Mother Nature helping humanity out or what?"
Trying to SAVE 90 year olds in nursing homes? Save people with autoimmune systems that are non functional, or over functional, save asthmatics, save extremely FAT 500lb people who are obviously going to die early and horribly anyway?

What the H for??
SO they can survive?
Survive just to die?
If that isn't "contrary" to Nature I do not know what is.
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What the f.ck are you talking about? My hubby is asthmatic So we should just let him die, at the then age, of 71??
 
Paco Dennis said:
Anything humans can measure, observe, research, etc...everything. Where did it come from? The human mind. How did that develop. Surviving/adapting/inventing. We might have over done it a bit, and nature will balance itself, and I am sure we will learn something. We are not in any way separate from nature.

This idea of blaming, or thinking humans behaved in a way that was not natural/or following natural laws of evolutionary advantage, is sophomoric reasoning.
IMO :)
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I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. LOL.
 
LoveTulips said:
What the f.ck are you talking about? My hubby is asthmatic So we should just let him die, at the then age, of 71??
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Don't need to swear at me, I speak English too. My SON is asthmatic. It is normal for people to die of all sorts of things at all ages. Am saying science is not always good for humanity. We are supposed to evolve like other animals. Natural selection keeps populations at better levels for healthier living of those strongest.

Lots of people don't like my philosophical position; I have a daughter with brain cancer..think I wanted to lose a daughter to covid? No...but to put the rest of humanity under wraps to save the weaker few...doesn't make evolutionary sense. Feelings are emotions, not thinking.
 
LoveTulips said:
What the f.ck are you talking about? My hubby is asthmatic So we should just let him die, at the then age, of 71??
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I don't mean to sound harsh. I understand loving someone so much that losing them ANY time, causes fear of the unknown - of what life will be without them when they are left behind; as well as some people fear what happens to their loved one after death, even if they do practice a spirituality/religion. Or that dying will be painful, that may cause fear.

If I loved someone, I would not want them to suffer in any way after age 70, as aging speeds up with each moment on this end of life.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Don't need to swear at me, I speak English too. My SON is asthmatic. It is normal for people to die of all sorts of things at all ages. Am saying science is not always good for humanity. We are supposed to evolve like other animals. Natural selection keeps populations at better levels for healthier living of those strongest.

Lots of people don't like my philosophical position; I have a daughter with brain cancer..think I wanted to lose a daughter to covid? No...but to put the rest of humanity under wraps to save the weaker few...doesn't make evolutionary sense. Feelings are emotions, not thinking.
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What do you mean put the rest of humanity under wraps to save the weaker few, I assume you are talking about the covid vaccine? You have no idea what you are talking about. My two brothers are doctors and worked during covid, the things they told us, the hours working, the sadness. Thank God, they invented the vaccine before we all died.
 
MrJim said:
... if humans were to disappear for whatever (non nuclear) reason, after a hundred thousand years or so, all traces of our "civilization" would have disappeared ...
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I don't think so. The damage from untended nuclear-power-plants alone would be devastating. Just as the oceans are glutted with toxins, so will the earth be.
 
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debodun said:
Humans always have to mess with things trying to make them better and usually make things worse.

I was having this discussion with a former meal client a few years ago. I was saying, "Imagine what a paradise the Earth would be if there were no humans. Everything would be in balance."
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It doesn't feel like paradise to me when most species have to kill for survival.
 
The sentiments you see expressed in threads like this one! Off the cuff remarks reveal so much about the writer's worldview. It is hard to see where the superstition ends and the materialism begins, and the self-loathing seems to have no bounds.
 
Jace said:
'We' live our life (lives) contrary to the law of nature.

Hmmm?
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Seems to me the only law applicable in the law of nature is in the ' We' live our life.
IMO we as humans are in compliance. We're born, live, & die.

Our impact on planet earth is about what we as humans do to affect the natural balance of nature.
 
S.3/7/25..
Heard another phrase...Life poaching...

But, 'looking it up' couldn't find anything

What do you think it means?
I don't have a clue!😉
 
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