Here we go again...back to mask wearing and WFH

Becky1951 said:
I think your right about Omicron leading to the end of the pandemic.

People becoming infected with Omicron might have the necessary immunity to fight off all previous variants of Covid and Covid would be nothing more then a flu type illness.
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And I hope that ends all the mandates and the destruction of our society as we knew it.
 

hollydolly said:
he wants everyone who can to go back to WFH as from Tomorrow...
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I wish he'd come to my state in the USA and do that. My employer said we all had to start coming to the office (at least a few days of the week) starting Oct 4, and now they've done some report and discovered that 52% of the employees have never come back not even once (I'm on that list), and they've got their panties in a knot and told us that "action will be taken" if we haven't all badged-in by Friday.
 
HoneyNut said:
Where I live we are having a bad Delta wave right now, I wish we'd go into lockdown until Omicron gets here, because it sounds like Omicron is going to be the best case scenario that the science people have been mentioning as a possibility from the beginning, that the virus will become like a cold. Apparently the Omicron actually has picked up some genes from a common cold variety. My understanding is that the government measures are because even if it has extremely low fatality, if it has any percent of hospitalizations at all, it is so contagious that everyone is going to catch it within the next month or two, and a tiny percent of the whole population can still be enough to give giant headaches to the hospitals. So the objective would be flattening the curve.
Unless it turns out to be worse in a winter season country than in a summertime country (South Africa I guess is opposite season), in 3 or 4 months the whole pandemic will be over. Yay! My cruise stock price will recover! We'll be able to travel again! Maybe we can start planning post covid parties. I wonder if I should make some reservations for next summer someplace fun?
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I also have cruise stocks and wish they would finally go back up. I've been vaccinated and boosted and I'm going to the Caribbean in February to get out of what are usually cold temps. (Who knows nowadays? We've had a mild winter and it snowed in Hawaii!)
 
Well,here in Wales the work from home order never ended and judging by the fact my regular cafe was heaving at 9.30 this morning ( which it never normally is)no one is bothered about Covid.
Anyway,this is in the current edition of’The Knowledge’


China lab leak was no “deranged conspiracy theory”
The possibility that Covid-19 was leaked from a Chinese lab was dismissed as a “deranged conspiracy theory” early in the pandemic, says Glenn Greenwald in his Substack newsletter. Anyone dissenting from the official narrative – that the virus arose naturally in a wet market in the city of Wuhan – was accused of spreading “disinformation” and banned from social media platforms such as Facebook. Debate about Covid’s origins was verboten: “It had all been settled by The Science.”
Yet in recent months it has become clear that the “official consensus” was anything but settled. The mainstream media’s apparent certainty that the virus emerged naturally was based on an assertion by a group of scientists in a letter to renowned science journal The Lancet. One of those scientists was Peter Daszak, whose organisation had awarded a grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology to support research into coronaviruses in bats – a “gigantic” conflict of interest revealed only in July 2021. Facebook, The New York Times and even the White House quickly changed their tune: lab leak went from an “insane conspiracy theory that must be censored” to a “serious possibility”. But their earlier stance raises serious questions about the reliability of the American media and the weight given to “dubious” sources.
 
hollydolly said:
The Prime minister has announced tonight that we're to go back to Working from home, and to wearing masks everywhere inside again...
At a Downing Street press conference, the PM declared that people should once again work from home where possible, as well as extending use of masks and introducing Covid passports for nightclubs...etc..


Boris Johnson announced this evening that the Government is implementing its Covid Plan B.
It means:
WFH
The return of work from home guidance. People will be told to work from home in England from Monday if they are able to.
Face masks
Face masks will be made compulsory in most public indoor venues including in cinemas and theatres from this Friday. They will not be required in pubs, restaurants and gyms.
Vaccine passports
The NHS Covid pass will be compulsory to gain access to nightclubs and other large venues where large crowds gather.
This will apply to all unseated indoor venues with more than 500 people, unseated outdoor venues with more than 4,000 people and any venue with more than 10,000 people.
Two vaccine doses will be treated as fully-vaccinated but this will be kept under review because of the booster programme.
A negative lateral flow test will also be sufficient.
This requirement will be rolled out in one week's time to give businesses time to prepare.
Contact testing
Contacts of Omicron cases will be told to take daily coronavirus tests instead of having to self-isolate. They will have to quarantine if they test positive.
The premier said it was necessary to move to Plan B to 'buy time' for the NHS and to learn more about the new strain.

'It has become increasingly clear that Omicron is growing much faster than the previous Delta variant and is spreading rapidly all around the world,' he said.

While 568 cases had been confirmed in the UK 'the true number is certain to be much higher' - potentially as many as 10,000.

'Most worryingly, there is evidence that the doubling time of Omicron could currently be between two and three days.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10289335/Boris-pushes-button-Plan-B-wfh-masks.html
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Our ex business partner and wife are now in London for Christmas with the daughter and hub. They live where the planes come down right over their building...the runway I mean, like a landing platform. Can't imagine living that close to a major airport.
Wondering how many times they will need to be screened now since you posted this. They just arrived on the 11th.

Stay safe, Hollydolly!
 
Liberty said:
Our ex business partner and wife are now in London for Christmas with the daughter and hub. They live where the planes come down right over their building...the runway I mean, like a landing platform. Can't imagine living that close to a major airport.
Wondering how many times they will need to be screened now since you posted this. They just arrived on the 11th.

Stay safe, Hollydolly!
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yep the west side of London is a horrible place to live for many reasons ..none less than this reason... Unfortunately all Airports in the UK are near housing, but the London airports ( Heathrow, Gatwick and Luton ) are the worst

 
Furryanimal said:
Well,here in Wales the work from home order never ended and judging by the fact my regular cafe was heaving at 9.30 this morning ( which it never normally is)no one is bothered about Covid.
Anyway,this is in the current edition of’The Knowledge’
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Our WFH people had just returned . or were in the process of returning to work , so hardly made their seats warm again, and now they're all back home.. or in the cafe's..or on the road half pissed...

Not all of course, ..but a substantial amount of people while working from home drink alcohol or take some other substance .. then take the car out for trip to somewhere ..pick kids up, go shopping, while half cut

I've never seen such dangerous driving on the roads as I have since people began 'WFH"...
 
hollydolly said:
yep the west side of London is a horrible place to live for many reasons ..none less than this reason... Unfortunately all Airports in the UK are near housing, but the London airports ( Heathrow, Gatwick and Luton ) are the worst

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I was in Hounslow once(only once) and i could only assume people who lived there were used to the constant drone of the planes on their final approach to Heathrow,by now so low you could read what was written on the planes.
Couldn’t live there.
 
Furryanimal said:
I was in Hounslow once(only once) and i could only assume people who lived there were used to the constant drone of the planes on their final approach to Heathrow,by now so low you could read what was written on the planes.
Couldn’t live there.
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I used to live on the RAF Camp at Uxbridge... planes got low there but not as low as Hounslow .. but there wasn't as many in those days (70's) as there is today..
 
The way I see it is that at first, when the pandemic started lots of old folks in senior homes died. They said that the seniors have low resistance. They said the young folks have solid, good resistance. Ahem to that! Over the months, younger and younger people started to get sick. Now, they are jabbing young kiddies in school. Furthermore, what happens after the 3rd or booster jab? I suppose we just hiding in our homes and wait for jab #4 and then jab #5 and maybe jab #6. Perhaps no big deal for the young people who have decades to live. By when you 75 like yours truly, you just might be dead by the time all this pandemic madness comes to a conclusion of some sort. We seniors don't have forever to wait for the end unless you love sitting at home, scared and hiding behind a mask of questionable value!
 
Packerjohn said:
The way I see it is that at first, when the pandemic started lots of old folks in senior homes died. They said that the seniors have low resistance. They said the young folks have solid, good resistance. Ahem to that! Over the months, younger and younger people started to get sick. Now, they are jabbing young kiddies in school. Furthermore, what happens after the 3rd or booster jab? I suppose we just hiding in our homes and wait for jab #4 and then jab #5 and maybe jab #6. Perhaps no big deal for the young people who have decades to live. By when you 75 like yours truly, you just might be dead by the time all this pandemic madness comes to a conclusion of some sort. We seniors don't have forever to wait for the end unless you love sitting at home, scared and hiding behind a mask of questionable value!
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You do have a choice when it comes to being scared, and wearing a mask also (at home)? It sounds like that is what you said but maybe not what you meant. I'm sorry if you're somehow forced to wear a mask. It's draconian.
 
Furryanimal said:
Well,here in Wales the work from home order never ended and judging by the fact my regular cafe was heaving at 9.30 this morning ( which it never normally is)no one is bothered about Covid.
Anyway,this is in the current edition of’The Knowledge’


China lab leak was no “deranged conspiracy theory”
The possibility that Covid-19 was leaked from a Chinese lab was dismissed as a “deranged conspiracy theory” early in the pandemic, says Glenn Greenwald in his Substack newsletter. Anyone dissenting from the official narrative – that the virus arose naturally in a wet market in the city of Wuhan – was accused of spreading “disinformation” and banned from social media platforms such as Facebook. Debate about Covid’s origins was verboten: “It had all been settled by The Science.”
Yet in recent months it has become clear that the “official consensus” was anything but settled. The mainstream media’s apparent certainty that the virus emerged naturally was based on an assertion by a group of scientists in a letter to renowned science journal The Lancet. One of those scientists was Peter Daszak, whose organisation had awarded a grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology to support research into coronaviruses in bats – a “gigantic” conflict of interest revealed only in July 2021. Facebook, The New York Times and even the White House quickly changed their tune: lab leak went from an “insane conspiracy theory that must be censored” to a “serious possibility”. But their earlier stance raises serious questions about the reliability of the American media and the weight given to “dubious” sources.
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It's been in the back of my mind all along. Wuhan has one of the largest virology study centers in the world. They are constantly going up to bat caves and bringing vials of bat sh't back to their labs. Why couldn't one of them caught something and walked home through that market and infected several workers there? Always was a possibility imo.
 
You may be right, but does it really make any difference at this point? Just my opinion, but feel that if everyone had gotten on board with vaccines in the beginning, and made sure it was available to the entire world, instead of worrying about the profits of drug company's we wouldn't be where we are now. It used to be patriotic to all join in for the greater good (i.e. WW2, natural disasters, etc.) Now it seems to be patriotic that, you just need to be concerned with your own selfish needs, and so called rights. Covid, though it's a major threat, is in many ways the least of are worries. We continue to destroy the only place capable of supporting human life in the name of profit. The earth will continue regardless of our actions. Will we? Mike

Alice November said:
It's been in the back of my mind all along. Wuhan has one of the largest virology study centers in the world. They are constantly going up to bat caves and bringing vials of bat sh't back to their labs. Why couldn't one of them caught something and walked home through that market and infected several workers there? Always was a possibility imo.
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hollydolly said:
yep the west side of London is a horrible place to live for many reasons ..none less than this reason... Unfortunately all Airports in the UK are near housing, but the London airports ( Heathrow, Gatwick and Luton ) are the worst

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OMG...can't imagine having a plane landing on the roof of the building you occupied. That would be crazy. You don't live near anything like that do you, hollydolly?
 
Liberty said:
OMG...can't imagine having a plane landing on the roof of the building you occupied. That would be crazy. You don't live near anything like that do you, hollydolly?
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No fortunately I don't. I live in the country...... ! I'd rather live in a tent in a field in the countryside than live in a house an area like those in West London under the flight path
 
Geezer Garage said:
You may be right, but does it really make any difference at this point? Just my opinion, but feel that if everyone had gotten on board with vaccines in the beginning, and made sure it was available to the entire world, instead of worrying about the profits of drug company's we wouldn't be where we are now. It used to be patriotic to all join in for the greater good (i.e. WW2, natural disasters, etc.) Now it seems to be patriotic that, you just need to be concerned with your own selfish needs, and so called rights. Covid, though it's a major threat, is in many ways the least of are worries. We continue to destroy the only place capable of supporting human life in the name of profit. The earth will continue regardless of our actions. Will we? Mike
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Yeah, but its pretty interesting how these virologists work and they know about all there is to know about Sarscoronavirus's. They have located a cave where hundreds of SarsCov virus's exist from bat droppings and they spend their lives studying these things.

I don't really have an opinion on whether people should be barking at each other about vax or nonvax. I have been fortunate not to have to leave my apartment for nearly two years. I don't hurt anybody, and nobody hurts me. Others must decide what is best for them.

Keep safe everyone. Vaxed or unvaxed, somebody loves you.🌅 😊 🌅

💛🌸💜💚💜🌸💛
 
oldiebutgoody said:
I just hate to see anyone get sick, hurt, or to die from this ################ disease. How I wish everyone would set aside their political delusionalism, get vaxxed, and wear masks so that we can get rid of this menace.
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Around here everyone is vaxed and we still are wearing masks. What is the point of wearing those old masks. I have a relative who teaches in a high school. This morning she told me that 5 teachers in her school got heart attacks this month. It's OK for us seniors "hiding" at home but a lot of young people are still out there working.
 
^your wearing or not wearing a mask will not impact on another's heart except that it will likely reduce the chance of contaminating another if you got CV19 - as for me, I'm definitely not hiding at home as I just came back from a hockey game ~ our local club won in a highly contested match :)
 
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