Here we go again...white guy shoots black kid

Black people shoot a lot of other black people. They also shoot a lot of white people. Most men in prison are black. And, that is because so many black men commit crimes. Whether you choose to believe that or not is irrelevant, it is a fact.
 

I think most of the gun crime in the big cities are black on black. They get those guns off the streets, and use them for drug or gang-related violence. You don't hear much about those crimes on the news. Since they get their guns illegally, and always will regardless of the strict gun laws in their state, it doesn't suit the agenda of the media to give them much attention, or dwell on them. I think it was Washington DC that had a big gun control crackdown, on the law-abiding citizens, of course...and gun crime by the street criminals skyrocketed.
 
I don't think they report all of the deaths by firearms on the nationwide news stations. Some of the crimes, if reported on the news, are played down, and just given a short and forgetful blurb on the report.

The crimes which favor the agenda of gun control, are reported with a biased slant to influence the listener/reader's opinion of the incident. Those crimes are repeatedly aired, maybe the same 2 key sentences are reported over and over and over again, day after day, etc...to get their position across and drilled into everyone's head.

The deaths of innocent law abiding citizens caused by street criminals who get their guns illegally, are downplayed. The street crime which involves gangs or drug dealers shooting each other, is also swept under the carpet.
 
Seabreeze said:
The crimes which favor the agenda of gun control
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Would these be the mass killings in public places?

This article talks about perception vs reality

University of Toronto sociologist Jennifer Carlson said there’s a perception that mass shootings — often the most high-profile of gun-related murders — happen like clockwork every few months, often because they dominate headlines for a lengthy time.
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These high-profile events are not only reported on the news, but they’re unpacked, dissected and talked about at length, and they kind of overpower any other narratives that are maybe less sexy," said Carlson, who moved recently from the U.S. to work at the University of Toronto.

"People are thinking, even though crime’s down, crime still happens. There’s that horrible thing I heard on the nightly news."

A large chunk of local news in the U.S. is devoted to crime, according to another study by Pew. Crime stories take up 17 per cent of total time for TV broadcasts, with only traffic and weather topping it.
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The article talks about who the victims are

Who are the victims?

More than three-quarters of gun homicide victims are male. A disproportionate of those killed by gun violence are black. African-Americans account for 55 per cent of U.S. gun deaths despite representing only 13 per cent of the population, according to 2010 figures.

Nearly 70 per cent of gun homicide victims are in the 18 to 40 age bracket, even though that group only represents a third of the population. The highest number of victims are in the 18 to 24 year-old range.
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and compares the US with some other countries
How does the U.S. compare to the rest of the world?

According to 2009 data collected by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), the U.S. sees 3.3 homicides by firearm for every 100,000 citizens. By comparison, Canada's rate is 0.5 homicides and the U.K. is 0.1. Most European countries sit somewhere in the same range.

China and Russia are not in the UNODC roundup, and there are many countries in Central and South America, the Caribbean and parts of Africa that have much higher rates than the U.S. Mexico, for example, has three times the U.S. rate for gun homicides according to UNODC data. In Colombia and Venezuela, the rates per 100,000 are 27 and 38.9 respectively. In South Africa, it is 17.03 gun homicide deaths per 100,000 people.

Full article, a bit outdated can be viewed here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-s-gun-homicides-the-gap-between-perception-and-reality-1.1858107
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This article bears out some of the points made already. It reports that gun homicides are currently less frequent than in the 1990s It doesn't say in which states the improvement has been most noticeable.
 
I do believe the media goes all out when several people,10 or more, are shot dead by whoever.
Its all about ratings ya know.
 
Davey Jones said:
quote:We have far too many guns in this country that are too readily available to people who have no business owning or having a gun readily available to them.

Fully agree with you.
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....and I fully agree with you both, we need stricter gun control.

..and why shouldn't the media report a mass shooting, when a group of people are mowed down with assault weapons?

..to me, the gun lovers are the ones with their heads in the sand by ignoring what too many guns are doing to our country.
 
again -- the crime rates are the highest in areas that have the strictest gun controls, gun control laws do not control crime, that's why they are criminals they do not follow the law, your logic is flawed.
only .2% of gun fatalities are from what you call assault weapons, and again you cannot define an assault weapon so why are you calling them with that name, because its something you heard in the news. flawed logic
when the fatalities in the US is adjusted by removing the suicide rate (considered homicide) the actual rates are lower than other countries, suicides are included in the numbers by a socialist administration to push an antigun agenda and again flawed logic.

and again define too many guns.
 
Warrigal said:
Are you saying, Seabreeze, that the media does not report all deaths by firearms? Just some of them ?
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Most of our news companies here in America are controlled. They are given a script to read, and they read it, and most of them actually read the same thing, word for word.
The news we do get is also slanted to foment dissension between the races, even when race has nothing whatever to do with the issue. We are being programmed not to trust a person of another race, so what could happily be a mixed population. living and working together, is just not happening here.
Furthermore, when the story is about a black person killing a white person (such as the baby who was shot and killed in her stroller because the mother didn't have any money for the robber), then that story barely makes the news. There are a LOT of these crimes happening, but they are pretty much just passed over, one time reported, and then gone.
However, if the crime is because a white person kills a black person, then it is KEPT in our news, and repeated over and over.

Most of these crimes, from both sides, are not actually race crimes, they are simply crimes, and being committed for robbery, or whatever reason; but are then slanted to make it look like they are racially motivated, but only when committed by a white person.
 
until you can define your suppositions, how can you make a case for them? Not addressed to anyone in particular, just asking.
 
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rt3 said:
again -- the crime rates are the highest in areas that have the strictest gun controls, gun control laws do not control crime, that's why they are criminals they do not follow the law, your logic is flawed.
only .2% of gun fatalities are from what you call assault weapons, and again you cannot define an assault weapon so why are you calling them with that name, because its something you heard in the news. flawed logic
when the fatalities in the US is adjusted by removing the suicide rate (considered homicide) the actual rates are lower than other countries, suicides are included in the numbers by a socialist administration to push an antigun agenda and again flawed logic.

and again define too many guns.
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WHAT?

First of all, piece meal gun control is no gun control at all. Only national laws will make any difference to the problem.
How about looking at the whole picture, including suicide, domestic violence and accidents where children have access to unsecured firearms?
Never mind minimising by only talking about undefinable assault weapons and criminals.
Every gun death is a tragedy, just as every drowning in a swimming pool is because so many of them could easily be prevented.

By the way, name three countries that have worse gun death statistics than the USA.
I'll name two for you - Mexico and South Africa. Columbia is another one.
Does that make you proud?
 
now that I know where you stand on constitutional rights, lets include speech, etc. in your rant.
suicide can be done by any method including a hose connected to your car, is not covered by the constitution and when you point the hose at people they laugh at you

avoid the issue criminals don't obey the law.

death is nature's way of saying good bye, whether it is a tragedy by any specific method well you get the point-- I think cancer deaths are tragic.

I have no idea what the last stuff has to do with anything. They also have more mosquitoes, dictatorships and criminal gangs, who don't like law abiding citizens having gun ownership. sort of turns it around doesn't it.
 
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speaking of pride, it makes me very proud to live in a country, the had the foresight to see the problems that would occur in South American countries
 
I think cancer deaths are tragic.
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So do I, rt3, and I'm glad that time and money is invested in examining the causes and looking for the remedies.
Of course it is no good to know the remedy if we refuse to implement it.

now that I know where you stand on constitutional rights, lets include speech, etc. in your rant.
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Your constitution is not my constitution and I realise that it has the status of Holy Writ for some Americans but it is in reality just an old instrument of government and has been modified over time and also re-interpreted by the courts as new situations arise. If it is no longer serving the people well, the people have the means to alter it.

By the way, I rarely rant. I am a supporter of free speech, which is why I take the liberty to express my opinion on this forum.
I also respect your right to express yours, but I don't have to agree with you.
Nor you with me.

Let's agree to disagree.

Peace?
 
Davey I like your dueling picture, and think the art of dueling should be reinstated it would certainly be the change to a much needed remedy.
 
Dueling with Warrigal would be a cinch....she won't have a gun. :lol:

I'm glad everything is perfect where you live Warrigal, but why do you insist on trying to change our country? How has our right to bear arms affected you?
 
I'm not trying to change your country.
Only the American people can do that.
I just don't understand why you don't want to.

I think you're all deranged on this issue and I will continue to exercise my right as a free citizen to say so.
Why, because I live on the other side of the planet and I'm out of range.

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rkunsaw and rt3,

What do you think of this news from NSW?
It's not unconstitutional over here.
Would it be where you live?

B ikie and gang members hit with gun ban February 19, 2014 12:18PM
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More than 220 people, including bikies, have been banned from possessing firearms in NSW. Source: AAP




MORE than 220 people in NSW have been banned from possessing firearms, the majority of them members of bikie and other criminal gangs.


NSW Police say those issued with Firearm Prohibition Orders include 44 members and associates of the Brothers For Life gang, 42 members of the Rebels outlaw motorcycle gang and 39 men associated with Assyrian organised crime networks. Others include 21 members of the Nomads bikie gang, seven members of the Comancheros bikie gang and six members of the Hells Angels.

In total, 223 people have now been issued with Firearm Prohibition Orders, police said on Wednesday.

Of those orders, 59 have been in place for a number of years, while 164 have been issued since November 1 last year, the day the NSW parliament passed the Firearms and Criminal Groups Legislation Amendment Bill 2013. That law decrees that anyone served with a Firearm Prohibition Order is banned from acquiring, possessing or using a firearm, a firearm part, or ammunition.

The law also provides police with significant powers to stop and search such a person. NSW Police Field Operations Commander, Deputy Commissioner Nick Kaldas, said officers were regularly using the powers the orders afforded them.

"As we have said all along, getting illegal guns - and the criminals who use them - out of our communities remains one of the NSW Police Force's major priorities."
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Most gun crime in NSW, including importation of prohibited classes of weapons, is down to criminal gangs and rogue bikie clubs. Where the police have good reason, by way of criminal records and intelligence gathered, certain people can be banned from gun ownership and they can be stopped and searched if the police want to make sure they don't have any.

A breach of civil liberties or common sense policing?
 
Making it illegal for criminals to own guns, what a unique concept. One thing that seems to always be overlooked though, the reason they are called criminals is because they do not obey laws.
In case you haven't noticed it is against the law for criminals to have guns here too. Our criminals don't obey laws either. I guess we could make it illegal to not obey laws.:yeahright:
 

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