Here we go again...white guy shoots black kid

I respect your point of view Davey, really I do, more so than you can image. It just that some folks who agree along these lines tend to tread on my constitutional rights. So--- keep your hands where I can see them.
 

rt3 said:
So--- keep your hands where I can see them.
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/World crime rates wouldn't be representative, why because more children die in swimming pools each year in the US than die in some small Euro countries.

Chicago, no guns allowed, highest crime and murder rate in country next to Detroit that is
New York same deal
Switzerland everybody must own a rifle, very low crime rate
Syria if you have a gun your a terrorist -- does this count or not
NYC no guns allowed highest murder and crime next to Detroit.

Could go on but, the fact is the statistics are there they are just skewed by NBC,

currently there are over 50,000 gun owners in Connecticut in a state of civil disobedience --- because they refuse to register their guns under the new law does their support of their constitutional rights make this a statistic?
 
Around this area, the bad guys will get you if they want you. Now they will come into your home with a gang. You can't shoot them all before they get to you. It scares the **** out of me. And, I am not into taking out as many as I can on my way out. But, I do have a couple of mean looking barking pit bull dogs. That way I can hear what "might" be out there, and be even more scared. :cart:
 
the dogs are good, not that the dogs scare the bad guys, its just to much work for the lazy SOB's to deal with the dogs when there are easier marks.
 
in your heart you know its right
change is the tool that serves the common good
the ends justify the means

I don't mind if the new generation wants to reinvent the wheel, the problem is -- its the same wheel, couldn't they change the hubcap or something?
 
I hope that one day we will see a time in our country when a shooting that kills someone is more about the act that occurred than it is about the color of the skin of the people who were involved. I thought that segregation and stuff ended more than 50 years ago? The media is a tool used by those in power. Sadly the country has gotten to a place that everything is influenced by a few forces instead of the movement of the masses. I believe that freedom of speech is essential, and people should have the ability to say whatever they wish without being prosecuted. I also believe that this same ability there is room for groups to take advantage of this right.
 
rt3, I can't fault you. My oldest son, ER was in the army for ten years. Part of that time was spent in the Special Forces. He believed in protecting our country, and ourselves as individuals. He was on leave in 1992 for 10 days, when some fool he had never met killed him with a sawed off shotgun. I still wonder what ER would think about it all. :cart:
 
Last night, when I went to bed around 1.30am, I closed my front door which is right behind my arm chair. It had been open most of the day and the flyscreen door is never locked. We don't have a front fence either. I don't have a gun, my neighbours don't own guns. No-one in my family owns a gun. We don't live in fear because we don't expect to meet anyone carrying a gun other than a policeman. It is bliss living in a city where there are few guns in the hands of cranky civilians.

Sure, there are criminals who own guns and there are other law abiding people with registered firearms but I walk around, unarmed and unafraid and travel on public transport totally unconcerned that I may have to defend myself by shooting someone.

To my mind, the USA and Belfast during the IRA bombings are on a par. Both sound like nightmares to me. Very violent and insane nightmares.

For the benefit of any newcomers, I don't live in a quiet rural town. I live in a suburb of Sydney that has more than its fair share of gun crime, for Australia, that is, but it is all about gang members shooting each other. They are no threat to me at all. Me carrying a gun wouldn't protect me in any case.
 
Our policemen aren't armed, except special units.

I live in a 'squaddie' town, with many soldiers to and from Afgan; most of the trouble here is squad dies being over exuberant when they come back.

Just keep out of their way.
 
We have far too many guns in this country. Now everybody will not agree with and that's all right. You're entitled to your opinion even though you're wrong. For some time I thought Oklahoma City was the murder capital of the world, even though I could find written evidence it wasn't. In this country we can't keep up with all the gun killings. We think we can, but i don't think so. There's just too many. No matter, I don't want to know haw many, all I'm saying is our gun situation is out of control. Some day I believe the United States Supreme Court will rule that we have long misread and misunderstood the constitution and what a standing Militia means. I believe we have and i know I'm a lone voice in this gun control wilderness.Our squaddie town police more resemble Patton's Army than a local police force. And their dress is even more outrageous. Cheers.
 
obrien60 said:
I hope that one day we will see a time in our country when a shooting that kills someone is more about the act that occurred than it is about the color of the skin of the people who were involved. I thought that segregation and stuff ended more than 50 years ago? The media is a tool used by those in power. Sadly the country has gotten to a place that everything is influenced by a few forces instead of the movement of the masses. I believe that freedom of speech is essential, and people should have the ability to say whatever they wish without being prosecuted. I also believe that this same ability there is room for groups to take advantage of this right.
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Well said. Thank-you.
 
We have far too many guns in this country
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That's the impression I get too. From afar, of course, but the statistics are mind blowing.
And too many of them are for shooting people, not for hunting or use on the farm.

Too many guns and general paranoia are a bad combination.
Perhaps reducing the paranoia would be a good first step?
 
I need more guns. I'm at an all time low. I don't think I have but 14 or 15 right now. There is one I've been planning to get but this problem with our heater night slow that down. Guns are tools and you need the right tool for the job.
 
Like to agree with you drifter , but then both of us would be wrong. Most shootings in the usa are afro- americans shooting other afro-americans. Not a perfect world and head in sand positions won't work. The supreme court has already californa's nixed their ban on carrying concealed in the san fran area, and will be taking up the meaning of "to Bear" arms this summer. hope you loose. It won't really matter however, because the non criminals who have the guns, are not going to register them or give them up regardless. Look at the positive side, I would have never guessed the NRA and ACLUl would join in hands in a law suit against the NSA. Totally mind boggling. If you can define the difference between a gun that is meant to shoot people and one that is used for hunting I would be forever grateful, because you can't.
I visit with a lot of folk from Australia on different gun websites, most are hunters, some gun club members. Everyone of them yell in large Font, don't let what happened in Australia happen in the US. I visit with a lot of folk from Canada etc. etc etc. seems you are out numbered.
The movement of masses against the few, among other things is called discrimination, socialism (fascism in the extreme). I think there are too many automobiles and the kill rate for them is 10 times that of guns etc. and I can't drive without being paranoid--- what is that all about.
 
Warri, I think if we could get our news medias to quit sensationalizing every gun shooting, some of the paranoia would slack off. But, our news media is more about the money and its ratings, than helping this nation deal with it's fear problems. I've gotten to where I listen to the local weather and then I shut it off. I don't need them to tell me how bad it is every hour on the hour. :cart:
 
Di, I don't think we can tell how many shootings are race related. Officials in each state might be able to give some type of off handed estimate if they were inclined to do so. I don't think we know.

We have far too many guns in this country that are too readily available to people who have no business owning or having a gun readily available to them. This includes many on our police forces across. Hotheads, who demand people immediately obey them, otherwise they shoot somebody. Oh, they deny the circumstances. They claim they thought the individual was going for a gun. But we know better.

I think I agree with you that most shootings are among blacks. Our gun laws, among our many states, are what are crazy. They seem to be trying to out do each other who can carry, and where they can carry.

I also think we have too many guns. I understand the reason we do. We like to say it’s our right, one of our freedoms and it is, but it’s the money to be made that determines how our freedoms are enforced. However it will never happen because there’s too much money involved.

I’m not against guns per se. I owned a sawed off shotgun until recently when I found out the state of Oklahoma outlaws all sawed off guns. Over the years I’ve owned several guns. I've hunted. I served my country in war and peace. I think what we've got is a mess. It's just my opinion. None of us, all of us are not going to solve anything. We can cuss and discuss till the cows come home and the moon turns blue and we won't change any thing. I think we're all a little short on common sense.
 

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