Holy Smokes! Trump's Solutions & Details Unprecedented for Early Campaigning!

MaryZPA said:
It's just not true that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes! It's another part of the myth perpetrated by Trump, but it's just not true. Please take a look at http://www.marketwatch.com/story/un...lions-in-taxes-in-2012-report-says-2015-04-21
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Yes, that is true, Mary.

Here is what Paul Krugman had to say about Trump and the other Republican candidates....

[h=1]Paul Krugman: From Trump on Down, the Republicans Can’t Be Serious[/h]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/o...own-the-republicans-cant-be-serious.html?_r=0

From Trump on Down, the Republicans Can’t Be Serious
AUG. 7, 2015
Paul Krugman

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The point is that while media puff pieces have portrayed Mr. Trump’s rivals as serious men — Jeb the moderate, Rand the original thinker, Marco the face of a new generation — their supposed seriousness is all surface. Judge them by positions as opposed to image, and what you have is a lineup of cranks. And as I said, this is no accident.

It has long been obvious that the conventions of political reporting and political commentary make it almost impossible to say the obvious — namely, that one of our two major parties has gone off the deep end. Or as the political analysts Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein put it in their book “It’s Even Worse Than It Looks,” the G.O.P. has become an “insurgent outlier … unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence, and science.” It’s a party that has no room for rational positions on many major issues.

Or to put it another way, modern Republican politicians can’t be serious — not if they want to win primaries and have any future within the party. Crank economics, crank science, crank foreign policy are all necessary parts of a candidate’s resume.

Until now, however, leading Republicans have generally tried to preserve a facade of respectability, helping the news media to maintain the pretense that it was dealing with a normal political party. What distinguishes Mr. Trump is not so much his positions as it is his lack of interest in maintaining appearances. And it turns out that the party’s base, which demands extremist positions, also prefers those positions delivered straight. Why is anyone surprised?

Remember how Mr. Trump was supposed to implode after his attack on John McCain? Mr. McCain epitomizes the strategy of sounding moderate while taking extreme positions, and is much loved by the press corps, which puts him on TV all the time. But Republican voters, it turns out, couldn’t care less about him.

Can Mr. Trump actually win the nomination? I have no idea. But even if he is eventually pushed aside, pay no attention to all the analyses you will read declaring a return to normal politics. That’s not going to happen; normal politics left the G.O.P. a long time ago. At most, we’ll see a return to normal hypocrisy, the kind that cloaks radical policies and contempt for evidence in conventional-sounding rhetoric. And that won’t be an improvement.
 
Shalimar said:
This is so sad. I don't understand how this came to pass in a powerful first world country. What is happening to democracy?
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What has happened is unfettered Capitalism... and the Citizen's United ruling that has allowed unlimited money to buy politicians and influence election outcomes with carpet bombing of negative ads against any politician that doesn't agree to do their bidding.
 
Thanks QS. This begs the question, how can/will this situation be rectified, and if not, what is the projected scenario? As an outsider the outcome appears bleak, but perhaps my perspective is skewed by my environment.
 
From what I understand, overturning the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling would require a Constitutional amendment stating that Corporations are NOT people and money is NOT speech. If this continues.. there will either have to be a grass roots rebellion at the ballot box an actual revolution... which would be hard to imagine.. Our democracy will disappear and all the power will be shunted firmly at the top. A handful of billionaires will control the country.
 
A new thought just occurred. Americans are a revolutionary people, with a history of rising up against tyranny when all else fails. Should the extreme political agenda, with or without the policies of Mr. Trump and like thinkers prevail, and the slippery slope gain traction, how long before there is a reaction from "sane America?" The American Dream is on life support!
 
MaryZPA said:
It's just not true that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes! It's another part of the myth perpetrated by Trump, but it's just not true. Please take a look at http://www.marketwatch.com/story/un...lions-in-taxes-in-2012-report-says-2015-04-21
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What this article does not say are comments that have been posted about some illegal immigrants ways of working for no taxes. False names, false findings posted in employers tax takeout forms. Young man with 11 children. Disappearing and moving to a different job next spring. I don't remember when or where these reports were run, but it was here in Arizona. Many of these folks try to be invisible when taxes are concerned. Some places were hiring and paying in cash, no records. Lots of ways to cheat.

Not saying that all do this, but plenty of the illegal ones do try to keep as much as possible so they can send it back home where ever that is.
 
In 2013 Australia elected an extreme Right PM who promised to fix everything and convinced the electorate with three word slogans. A couple of years on the economy is worse, unemployment up, country is polarised, racial tensions on the rise, secrecy about many government activities, limiting of press freedoms, vilification of the lower income and welfare reliant people, strained foreign relations........I could write a thesis. Don't believe someone who has simple solutions for complex problems.
 
People at all levels of American society do things to avoid paying taxes. My point was to refute your earlier statement that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes. As you can see, this report estimates that they paid nearly 12 billion dollars in taxes in 2012.
 
MaryZPA said:
People at all levels of American society do things to avoid paying taxes. My point was to refute your earlier statement that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes. As you can see, this report estimates that they paid nearly 12 billion dollars in taxes in 2012.
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You apparently did not read my post about the reports in Arizona about illegal immigrants cheating on taxes. That is a fact and I made the effort to say not all but many do this. Saying that people of all levels of society should not be said too loudly as the IRS wants to know about them. Saying 10 children to avoid paying as you go is wrong. Never filing is also wrong. People of all levels need to be aware and there have been some efforts to clean up the tax laws to try to prevent that from happening. Maybe the next President, of either party, will allow a rewrite of the IRS rules.
 
Paul Krugman is extreme left. Like Lon, I'm neither extreme left nor extreme right, nor in between for that matter. I like to decide what the truth is by going straight to the source, the people…not the NY Times article. I watch interviews and debates, etc. I take commentaries with a grain of salt. I prefer to go directly to the candidates and hear what they have to say…then formulate my own opinion. I do the same with my Bible. I don't go by Commentaries. I go straight to the Bible and read it right from the source. The truth is clear in there.

Something interesting…I think most republicans and candidates want to change some part of social security, medicare, and medicaid. Jeb Bush does, Scott Walker, and Chris Christie do. Not Trump lol. Why am I not surprised. He's often the odd man out…people seem to like that too. He says why should we change social security when people have worked hard for it, like it the way it is, and America can make money in other ways. He really does make it sound so simple. Do things really have to be all that complicated? If simple works then simple it is.

The top republican strategists today said that Trump may make it to the primary but not the Presidency. What's sad, if that happens, is that it ruins the chances of all the other republican candidates because of the focus on Trump. Biden, most likely will run and win next fall. He's been the VP for 8 years. He deserves it in that respect.

You know, it's funny. I never liked Biden because I thought he was so arrogant and egotistical…but he looks like a pussycat next to Trump haha
 
Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman is a liberal, but certainly not an idealogue. He's been critical of Republican policy, and he's criticized Democratic administrations, too. He's a brilliant economist.
 
I guess what makes Conservatives believe he is far left is the fact that he completely disproves "Trickle Down" and Supply Side Economics for the BS that it is. So he must be "FAR" Left..
 
Shalimar said:
Jackie, correct me if I am mistaken, isn't Mr. Krugman a moderate? It seems to me that labels of left-wing are often applied to intellectuals who buck the common trend. Hmm. Your thoughts?
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Yes, you are correct, he worked in the Reagan administration and he does criticize President Obama from time to time, so I do not agree with the 'left wing extremist' label.

To me the man is brilliant, after all he did win the nobel prize.
 
QuickSilver said:
I guess what makes Conservatives believe he is far left is the fact that he completely disproves "Trickle Down" and Supply Side Economics for the BS that it is. So he must be "FAR" Left..
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Yes, you are correct, QS....he also wrote a brilliant book on the inequality that is rampant in this country.
 
Lara said:
..... My plan was for this thread to be for those who have viewed the interviews because he comes across much more differently than you all have seen…or worse, heard. Although it is for everyone so all are welcome to post here of course.
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Just finishing the first video Lara, even though I have no skin in the game (sort of), and I have to say, my impression of him is a lot different than it was a half hour ago. He said some things that I don't agree with, but he also made some really good points. One good point that I'm sure many would agree with is that if America is going to be the world's policeman, you should get paid for it. So for example, if the Saudi's get into a fight with someone trying to oust them and they 'expect' America to come in and save them or at least help them, you should be reimbursed for the cost. He also said that you shouldn't have troops stationed all over the world......and I agree with that. Your troops should be at home.

He also said in this campaign, he won't accept lobbyist financing because he doesn't want to be beholden to anyone if/when he gets elected. Lobbyists are half your countries problem in my opinion and getting them with their million dollar donations to politicians, out of the picture would be a good start on restoring balance and fairness to your political system on so many fronts I think.

I think he loves the spotlight, but I have begun to think that he's also very astute and his political philosophy seems to be running the country like it's a huge business, and we all know that he's done very well in that regard. So who knows.....
 
NancyNGA said:
But what about when he is president and the Congress disagrees with him? He may think he can just fire them. :)
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See that is the problem. He says what people want to hear, but ignores what it takes to do those things. It's easy to say anything as long as you don't have to provide the detail of how you get those things done. Constitution, Treaties, self interests and all the areas where even a president has no power to change not to mention, as you note, he needs congress to accomplish many if not all of his "solutions".
 
Maybe Trump is playing Conservative to simply win the nomination.....and when he gets to the General election makes a hard LEFT turn? Wouldn't it be really, really funny if Trump went on to win the Presidency and turned back into the LIBERAL he was just a few years ago? OOOPs...

This is not as far fetched as it sounds... and certainly has crossed the RNC's mind.
 

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