Holy Smokes! Trump's Solutions & Details Unprecedented for Early Campaigning!

Excellent post Debby. I remember all the examples you mentioned from the video but completely forgot about them with all the "much ado about nothing" clouding this thread here and there. Don't get me wrong, other members have also made some good observations too. Your examples are gems, I must say.

Yes, I agree, the countries that can afford our help should pay us something to use to help our veterans, etc. Trump kept repeating, we do this and give that but "We get nothing". he's right. We left 170 million pounds of military jets, tanks, and other gear when we pulled out of Iraq quickly and Isis seized some of it….Trump says its poor management that won't happen on his watch because he knows management.

The panel on Face The Nation said that they once thought he was a buffoon but they don't think so anymore...but they also agreed that he's not presidential material and won't win, he's got to loose that egotism and flamboyancy if he plans to win. Biden is polished and experienced and more gentlemanly so he'll win unless something crazy happens. Our country is crazy ready for intelligent action. One thing for sure, if Trump loses, he has still gained more respect than he ever had before.
 

NancyNGA said:
But what about when he is president and the Congress disagrees with him? He may think he can just fire them. :)
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Good point Nancy. Can't you just imagine it? He's sitting there in the Oval Office, getting all red in the face and yelling 'you're ALL fired!' Maybe if he gets elected, the people should insist on cameras in there. Can you imagine the ratings?
 
"One thing for sure, if Trump loses, he has still gained more respect than he ever had before." Says Lara. He may be considered a even bigger fool than we thought to begin with.
 

QuickSilver said:
Maybe Trump is playing Conservative to simply win the nomination.....and when he gets to the General election makes a hard LEFT turn? Wouldn't it be really, really funny if Trump went on to win the Presidency and turned back into the LIBERAL he was just a few years ago? OOOPs...

This is not as far fetched as it sounds... and certainly has crossed the RNC's mind.
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You know I don't think there's anything wrong with moving from one 'side' to the other if you are doing it because you've continued to evolve in your understanding of the issues and events of the world and you begin to see that ideas you once held fast to don't match your current philosophy. I have voted Conservative, Green and now it's a toss up which way I'll vote in our election although it won't be Conservative again. Maybe Liberal, maybe NDP, not sure yet.

But when I 'helped' vote the Liberals out ten years ago, I felt they needed a major slap for some bad behaviour and I thought the current government would behave better than they've turned out to have and now I think it's time they need to be taken down a notch.

So if Trump were to have experienced a change of philosophy over the past few years, or if he saw recent changes that didn't match up to the philosophy he still holds, so what? And playing both sides against the middle.....(I think that's kind of what you're suggesting QS), then wouldn't that be true to his talents as a business man? I think there's a far greater problem when someone refuses to make adjustments to their support when they can see that what their party is doing is absolutely against their personal beliefs or against the greater good and that would apply to either or any side. (and that's just my opinion folks)
 
Debby said:
You know I don't think there's anything wrong with moving from one 'side' to the other if you are doing it because you've continued to evolve in your understanding of the issues and events of the world and you begin to see that ideas you once held fast to don't match your current philosophy. I have voted Conservative, Green and now it's a toss up which way I'll vote in our election although it won't be Conservative again. Maybe Liberal, maybe NDP, not sure yet.

But when I 'helped' vote the Liberals out ten years ago, I felt they needed a major slap for some bad behaviour and I thought the current government would behave better than they've turned out to have and now I think it's time they need to be taken down a notch.

So if Trump were to have experienced a change of philosophy over the past few years, or if he saw recent changes that didn't match up to the philosophy he still holds, so what? And playing both sides against the middle.....(I think that's kind of what you're suggesting QS), then wouldn't that be true to his talents as a business man? I think there's a far greater problem when someone refuses to make adjustments to their support when they can see that what their party is doing is absolutely against their personal beliefs or against the greater good and that would apply to either or any side. (and that's just my opinion folks)
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How DARE you have an opinion!!!!!!!! *wry smile*
 
He may just be smart enough to navigate the Republican primary by pretending far right etiology... and once getting the nomination do a hard left turn to win the general... Ever think about that? That would be a really hard Bait and Switch.. but he is a business man.. and very savvy on manipulation and in getting his way... Isn't that what people like about him?
 
nancyNCA said:
But what about when he is president and the Congress disagrees with him? He may think he can just fire them.
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That would be good for SNL lol

Debby said:
You know I don't think there's anything wrong with moving from one 'side' to the other if you are doing it because you've continued to evolve in your understanding of the issues and events of the world and you begin to see that ideas you once held fast to don't match your current philosophy. I have voted Conservative, Green and now it's a toss up which way I'll vote in our election although it won't be Conservative again. Maybe Liberal, maybe NDP, not sure yet.

But when I 'helped' vote the Liberals out ten years ago, I felt they needed a major slap for some bad behaviour and I thought the current government would behave better than they've turned out to have and now I think it's time they need to be taken down a notch.

So if Trump were to have experienced a change of philosophy over the past few years, or if he saw recent changes that didn't match up to the philosophy he still holds, so what? And playing both sides against the middle.....(I think that's kind of what you're suggesting QS), then wouldn't that be true to his talents as a business man? I think there's a far greater problem when someone refuses to make adjustments to their support when they can see that what their party is doing is absolutely against their personal beliefs or against the greater good and that would apply to either or any side. (and that's just my opinion folks)
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I like your posts because they have substance and make for interesting reading. Plus, I have the same opinion as you've shared here. I never have understood what the issue is of changing your mind, as long as the people agree with it and it moves our country forward...unless it's something that isn't allowed. I'll bet he adapts to the changing times in his own business on a daily basis…that's why he's successful. We can't be stagnant old fuddy-duddies that can't budge anymore. It's the 21st century. "Do we want a country or not". We're 20 trillion dollars in debt. Nobody keeps a careful eye on that. He can be flexible when it comes to Making America Great…whatever it takes as long as we're moving forward and the people are happy. He knows how to do that. And he loves his country deep down…it show in his interviews.
 
My husband and I were watching a little bit of his speech today in Ohio, and we were chuckling because he's go confident, egotistical and sure of himself. I have to say though, of all the other republican candidates, if I had to vote for one, it would probably be Trump.

It's refreshing that he just doesn't care about saying the right thing to make anybody happy, and that he has no financial cloud over his head, wanting money support from anyone, he's pretty much on his own. He says what he wants to, and doesn't care that much if anyone disagrees with him, he doesn't weigh each word in fear of making a mistake. I don't think he really cares what party he embraces, he'd jump to Independent in a heartbeat if someone pi$$ed him off, and wouldn't care about the consequences to anyone in the GOP.

He wants to keep corporations in America, and it would be great if he could bring factories and jobs back here and build us up again to provide work for the citizens here who are struggling. But, even if he were president, he would only have so much power. Right now, he's rattling off a lot of ideas, but realistically things are much easier said than done. At least he's talking, don't hear much content from the others.

The other candidates in the republican party seem very weak and not even capable of doing the job, almost like deer in the headlights. One is afraid to even use his last name, and one is afraid to use his first name. They seem to flip flop almost every day on whether they were for the Iraq invasion, or against it, etc.

Some are just religious zealots who want to rule this country strictly by the bible, and want to take direction daily on what moves to make when they are president, from their god. To me that's very scary...let's just keep religion out of government and worry about the constitution and our laws and regulations which affect all of us in this (real) life.
 
Here is my reasoning about Trump's popularity. He rails against the establishment especially the US Senate and House. People are sick of their never getting anything done and he's playing this as his "trump" card. I am sick of the politicians and lobbyists in Washington as well. This doesn't mean I support Trump. I am more scare of him . I do not want anyone going into office that is going back to Iraq and try to seize their oil. Haven't we messed them up enough? I feel sorry for the Iraq people who are moderates and have had their lives and land desercrated. I am for trying to help them improve their military and hope they get a leader who doesn't discriminate against his people . I hope that the people can get this done without our sending our troops to fight for another ruler/dictator. Don't think we can solve their problems especially the religious one since this has been a problem since 1400s.
 
Charlotta, I believe you have hit the nail on the head. Whether or not one appreciates Mr. Trump's 'style,' the bottom line is practicality. All the ideas in the world do not matter squad diddly, without a feasible plan of action. Otherwise it is just empty rhetoric, playing to the choir.
 
Good post, Sea Breeze. He's a fearless leader. In all the interviews I've seen, NObody can back him into a corner, try as they might. This interview below with Bill O'Reilly is incredible…firing questions non stop on all the hot topics that face America in 10 minutes. Watch how Trump controls the whole show. He's like a Sherman tank. When asked what he's going to do about Isis, he said, "I'm going to find the Patton and the McArthur". It's going to take troops, but we've got troops posted all over the world that aren't necessary. He's good at management. Put them where they're needed most.

He certainly comes across egotistical but we have to admit that he's being realistic about his abilities and successes. People now know he's not a lot of hot air. Also, people criticize him for being too simplistic with his solutions but I think that's his "magic" of getting things done.…he uncomplicates everything to where it's doable. I've caught him many times being humble about the possibility of not winning every time, or that he's made some mistakes but quickly recovers barrels on ahead. He slams his own party, but hey, he's right, and he'll fix it.

He has some very irritating things about his personality but he loves his country, is very intelligent, knows management, has the understanding and finesse needed for negotiations and foreign relations, etc. and I believe he would be very generous in helping this country. He once quietly said that there was a time when he thought of paying off our national debt but it quickly escalated higher than he could do. He knows that that wouldn't solve our debt problem because it continues to rise daily at an enormous rate. If at all possible, I wouldn't be surprised if he'll fix that. And that would benefit the whole world. Look how the devaluation of China's currency has negatively affected the world.

Many people in this political thread won't watch this because they don't like Trump's personality…their loss:

 
He's just alienated 100% of the Hispanic vote by having George Ramos of Univision thrown out of the room... Ramos is the most powerful voice to the Latino community in this country... Trump will NEVER become president..
 
The guy spoke out of turn and wouldn't shut up. I am no Trump fan but he was right in this instance...
 
Lara said:
I agree Ralphy, Trump didn't throw Ramos out, security did. I would have thrown him out too. He was disruptive, had not been called on, refused to follow the rules, and wouldn't take his turn. Trump was polite and said he wouldn't mind if he was allowed to come back in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uIx_7srVj0
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I don't think Trump was polite or that the reporter was screaming as Trump said he was....Trump did not handle the situation well at all...if you will note, he turned around and gave security the go ahead to take the reporter out.

This man is a time bomb waiting to explode, if he can't deal with a reporter how to you think he will ever negotiate with the leaders of other countries, he'd have us in a war before you can blink.
 
Did you watch the whole thing Jackie? Trump invited him back even. Trump was firm because Ramos was out of control. You can't run a press conference (or a country) by allowing chaos to take over. Ramos should have waited his turn. "Screaming" does not always mean "loud". Ramos talked non-stop out of turn dispite security and trump trying to stop him. When I say Trump screams success, I don't mean he yelled the word "success". Ramos screamed disruptive behavior. I get that.
 
Lara, we'll have to disagree about Trump.

I think he'll implode before too long, but in the meantime he is entertainment, thats about the only positive I see with this man.
 
He has gone from entertainment to far and away the leader of the Repub candidates and is driving the agenda and driving the rest crazy. Expect to see him stay and become a serious alternative to any establishment candidate in either party...
 
Ralphy1 said:
He has gone from entertainment to far and away the leader of the Repub candidates and is driving the agenda and driving the rest crazy. Expect to see him stay and become a serious alternative to any establishment candidate in either party...
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Exactly. I think those who don't see that are not watching any of his serious interviews like in my post #188 (or reading unbiased accounts)
 
Here are the undisputable facts... and I know that FACTs are pesky little things that are ignored when a shiny object like Trump is involved... but here goes.

#1 Trump cannot deport 11+ million people, and their American Citizen Children.. It has been estimated that the cost of deporting ONE person is in the $12,000 range.. Multiply that by 11+ million.. and it is simply far to expensive to consider. Not to mention.. what are the logistics of that mass deportation going to look like. How will all these millions be rounded up.. Do you NOT see this as being as bad as the most nefarious human rights violation that is committed by other countries we love to bitch to about ? Do you not see this as turning violent and people being killed? Amazing that anyone would believe what Trump is saying

#2 Trump cannot build a 20 foot high 2,000 mile fence along the boards. It would be an engineering nightmare as it would have to span through lakes and rivers.. Not only that, it would have to be patrolled for those climbing over... and as Trump thinks.. X-ray equipment has to be installed all along the 2000 miles to see people tunneling under it.. Also.. Mexico is going to pay for this? Amazing that anyone would even think this a possibility.

#3. Trump cannot do away with the 14th amendment of the US Constitution with an executive order.. or legislation in congress. Those so called "Anchor Babies" are US Citizens and have the same rights and privileges as ALL American Citizens. It would require a constitutional amendment.. and we have discussed how unlikely that is.... What happens to those who are already American Citizens.. Do we strip away their rights? Amazing how some folks believe what Trump is spewing.

AND finally... and I think most important..

What Trump did last night by insulting and removing Jorge Ramos put the final nail in his hopes for presidency. Despite how you feel about Ramos's conduct last night, the fact remains that he is the most powerful and influential voice to the entire Hispanic community. The Gallup poll already has trump a negative 71% among registered Hispanic voters.. Do you want to venture a guess what it will be now? My bet is every single Hispanic that is registered to vote either knows someone or has a family member that is undocumented.. Do you even have to guess what they think of him after his buffoonery last night?


FACT#4... NO ONE has ever won the presidency with less than 35% of the Hispanic vote.. Romney got only 27%.. So.. as I have stated.. Trump will NEVER be president. MY advise to those who believe so is to enjoy your fantasy while it lasts. I'm curious to see how far Trump will go and if he will win the GOP nomination..but I rest assured if he does.. we will have a new Democrat in the White House on January 20th 2017
 
Without saying what my stand is on it personally, here are the FACTS: For starters, Undocumented Immigrants - http://www.rense.com/general81/dtli.htm
As far as the cost of deportation one immigrant for $12,000...it's far less than it costs the taxpayer to keep them. It costs the taxpayer over $12,000 per pupil per year alone.
 

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