How is the migrant crisis where you live?

Funny, illegals were shipped to Martha's Vineyard a while back.
They were quickly taken 'off island' as not to upset the 'Obamas' of the island.
I can see how some may think this is funny. What's not funny is that the Governor of Florida chose to use money that should belong to the people of Florida to fly immigrants from (If I'm not mistaken) Texas to Martha's Vineyard. He likely did so as a stunt in an effort to gain political favor from voters. What's also not funny is that the people that landed in Martha's Vineyard most likely didn't speak English, had little or no money, possibly no food, surely no place to spend the night, and probably had no idea where they were. Fortunately, the Island folks got together and took care of them. You know, the humanitarian response that good Christians are supposed to subscribe to.
If I may ask, if you stepped off an airplane in a unknown place, you didn't speak the language, had little or no money, and no resources would you find it laugh-out-loud funny or would you just giggle a little bit at the "funny" situation you found yourself in? Perhaps flying them back to where they came from would have been better than playing a joke on them.
 
Those you speak of all came here legally through Ellis Island like my grandparents. Big difference.
To clarify my remarks, 200 years ago, groups like Irish, German, Slav, and Italian immigrants were considered by 'native born Americans' as the scum of the earth. Those groups were seen as gangs of criminals, and foreign- they could not speak English properly. That was 200 years ago. Back then there were no illegal/legal immigrants. Every ethnic group has had to face the same problems assimilating into any established culture. And probably will for ever.
 

To clarify my remarks, 200 years ago, groups like Irish, German, Slav, and Italian immigrants were considered by 'native born Americans' as the scum of the earth. Those groups were seen as gangs of criminals, and foreign- they could not speak English properly. That was 200 years ago. Back then there were no illegal/legal immigrants. Every ethnic group has had to face the same problems assimilating into any established culture. And probably will for ever.
What you have just described was the main plot line of the Movie "the gangs of New York" . For anyone who doesn't know...There was a US Political party in the 1840's, called " The Know Nothings " whose sole platform was based on anti immigrant sentiment. JimB.
 
Not taxed, as in people being "taxed". The systems will not be able to handle it and will break. We can like it or not like it. Nothing will change it, and it will make today's political issues seem more like a taste of what is to come.
The influx of people from other countries to countries that are FOR NOW financially capable of absorbing some of that, are rapidly running out of that capability. That is one immediate political problem for more than just America.

As a problem for politicians it's only going to get worse. The "systems" world wide in 25 to 30 years from now life on planet earth is going to change drastically due to 8 billion plus population and the ongoing depletion of natural resources.

As for me. There has been no negative impact so far on our lifestyle. I do expect there will be though.
 
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I agree that the systems won't support humanity like we are fortunate enough to enjoy now. I have a theory that space exploration isn't so much about discovering a kind of human life on another planet but more about discovering a planet capable of supporting human life as in transporting humans from earth to where ever that might be.

I think in 25 to 30 years from now life on planet earth is going to change drastically due to 8 billion plus population and the ongoing depletion of natural resources.

Given decades of science fiction, especially in films, the commonly believed narrative is that we homo sapiens are going to be able to adapt to living on alien worlds given habitable zones from stars and liquid water. What one never reads is how each of we Earth monkeys is a veritable zoo of micro-organisms, billions of bacteria and trillions of viruses in each of our bodies, impossible to remove. In fact, those within our gastrointestinal systems are necessary for digestion.

Thus if we set foot on say another organic world, we would contaminate such. In like manner people would be surprised if organic aliens appeared in a spacecraft above our planet and then authorities and science experts refused to allow even landing. Media would have a fit educating most why that has to be so. It is also why any aliens monitoring our planet are more likely to be non-organic artificial intelligence AI because they are very aware of such.

That noted, as I have stated a few times, I lean towards the probability that our planet Earth is a remote galactic organic zoo built by Ultimate Intelligent Entities 4 billion years ago and since then occasionally "gardened". If so due to panspermia, suspect DNA organic life at least at micro organism levels has dominated our galaxy and possibly most of our vast universe. If that is the case as I hope, then yes we are more likely capable of venturing to other such alien worlds and they in turn to ours.
https://www.amazon.com/Rare-Earth-Complex-Uncommon-Universe/dp/0387952896/ref=sr_1_1
 
I can see how some may think this is funny. What's not funny is that the Governor of Florida chose to use money that should belong to the people of Florida to fly immigrants from (If I'm not mistaken) Texas to Martha's Vineyard. He likely did so as a stunt in an effort to gain political favor from voters. What's also not funny is that the people that landed in Martha's Vineyard most likely didn't speak English, had little or no money, possibly no food, surely no place to spend the night, and probably had no idea where they were. Fortunately, the Island folks got together and took care of them. You know, the humanitarian response that good Christians are supposed to subscribe to.
If I may ask, if you stepped off an airplane in a unknown place, you didn't speak the language, had little or no money, and no resources would you find it laugh-out-loud funny or would you just giggle a little bit at the "funny" situation you found yourself in? Perhaps flying them back to where they came from would have been better than playing a joke on them.
No joke, 'funny' was used in a facetious way.
These were illegal aliens, they broke the law....plain and simple
The island folks didn't 'get together and took care of them'.....They shipped them off in the middle of the night the same day they arrived. They wanted them gone like the plague. Can't have illegals in Obamas town.
They should all sent back. No one know who they are. MS13, terrorists, criminals, murderers, rapists, worse yet people that have no reason to look for jobs when they know they can be on welfare for the rest of their lives. They can leech off taxpayers, they can steal American social security numbers and apply for retirement benefits.
Don't make them out to be lost souls in the same light as those arriving on Ellis Island, they are not.
Whats funny is the politicians are scrambling to infuse a new group of voters, ones that will trade checks for votes.
 
Do you see violence in the streets now? Is council housing overwhelmed or are the migrants being sent to hotels at your, the taxpayer's, expense? I wasn't sure how bad this all was until it got here. This could be another life changer for me if it gets any worse. :(
Nothing happening anywhere here, I suppose I could find non-stop coverage of the "migrant crisis" if I tuned the TV to the "Most Watched, Most Trusted" channel or other some such... :p
 
I haven't noticed any change in immigrants or migrants or green-card people where I live. There are lots today but there were lots in the past too.

When I was in college there were Russian immigrants in class with me (I had a big crush on one guy). When I started in my career long ago I had an office mate who was a refuge that escaped on a boat (from Vietnam). She told me that her mother and her got on one boat and her father and little brother were on another. On the sea, pirates boarded the other boat and killed her father and brother.

Where I worked before I retired there were green-card holders and newly made citizens from Africa, the Middle East, India, Nepal, and Korea. The woman from Korea had been here for some time but hadn't yet worked enough quarters to qualify for Social Security. She was my age so I felt a lot of sympathy for her plight.

At the hotels I stayed at last year and in the community where I live now there are lots of immigrants from Spanish speaking countries. Maybe the countries they came from don't provide free university education like my coworkers had mostly all had. Education is so important for moving up. But, hopefully we have systems to encourage some immigrants to go into the trades, since it seems we desperately need a new generation of trades people.
 
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I think there is a disconnect between reality and political rhetoric. Yes, immigrants are crime ridden, that's why we should have never let those damn Irish, Germans, Slavs and Italians in, over two hundred years ago. Hell, they couldn't speak proper English.
Well those damned Europeans built this country by doing more than trimming hedges, repairing roofs, and a little crime on the side. The difference? IQ.
Germany 100
Current illegal immigration, not so hot.
Ecuador 79
IQ: Intelligence quotient by country

On the plus side, Microsoft and Silicon Valley are currently benefitting by legal immigration from the highest IQ region of the world, East Asia.
 
Biggest mistake this country ever made. It will take about another 5 years before the next Civil War breaks out.
Very true....We cannot sustain the influx of illegals streaming across the border.
We have no idea who these people are until some horrific criminal act is committed.
Are there good people mixed in, sure, but the callous administration is allowing everyone in, regardless of their background.
The justice department is executing a 'catch and release' program for these criminals.
Its a sad state of affairs and needs to be changed.
The elderly will be targeted with reduced Medicare & Social Security because both programs are providing for illegals, as well as some taking social security benefits from a life long of hard work at a time senior citizens should be enjoying their retirement.
 
I live in a sanctuary city and am here to tell you that crime, addiction and homelessness here is mostly a home-grown affair, not something brought in by immigrants - legal or illegal.

This thread mostly discusses people illegally coming to the US through southern borders. My 50+ years of living alongside Los Angeles's large Latino/Hispanic population has shown me a culture of extremely hard-working, family-oriented, honest, polite human beings. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but by and large that's what I've encountered.

With respect to migrants - only the truly desperate attempt the dangerous, expensive, grueling trip from South/Central America to the US. It's not a vacation lark, it's a decision made because people are out of options. Global warming - a lot of which "first world countries" like the US have exacerbated - has made flooding and drought problems in those countries even more untenable.

Obviously the US and other migration destination countries cannot accommodate all who want to enter. That's a given. It's nevertheless extremely disappointing to read comments here that show an extraordinary level of outright and thinly veiled racism along with a lack of empathy toward people who are completely out of options. No comments on how we might help people to thrive in their own countries.

As for Florida and some other states' shenanigans, those actions show far greater character flaws by the showboating creeps who think up this nonsense than it does the immigrants (legal or illegal) who are helpless pawns in their game of one upmanship.

Just remember, there but for the grace of God go you or I.
 
I live in a sanctuary city and am here to tell you that crime, addiction and homelessness here is mostly a home-grown affair, not something brought in by immigrants - legal or illegal.

This thread mostly discusses people illegally coming to the US through southern borders. My 50+ years of living alongside Los Angeles's large Latino/Hispanic population has shown me a culture of extremely hard-working, family-oriented, honest, polite human beings. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but by and large that's what I've encountered.

With respect to migrants - only the truly desperate attempt the dangerous, expensive, grueling trip from South/Central America to the US. It's not a vacation lark, it's a decision made because people are out of options. Global warming - a lot of which "first world countries" like the US have exacerbated - has made flooding and drought problems in those countries even more untenable.

Obviously the US and other migration destination countries cannot accommodate all who want to enter. That's a given. It's nevertheless extremely disappointing to read comments here that show an extraordinary level of outright and thinly veiled racism along with a lack of empathy toward people who are completely out of options. No comments on how we might help people to thrive in their own countries.

As for Florida and some other states' shenanigans, those actions show far greater character flaws by the showboating creeps who think up this nonsense than it does the immigrants (legal or illegal) who are helpless pawns in their game of one upmanship.

Just remember, there but for the grace of God go you or I.
Hiding behind the vail of righteousness is typical of those trying to serve a greater agenda.
Are there decent people in these millions of illegals? Maybe in their eyes, but we are a country of laws. Laws that should not be disregarded because one party wants to prop up their voter base.
There is a right way to enter this country that has been in place for generations, these people choose not to wait their turn, but to force their way into the country and take advantage of our open hearts and good will.
Countries are sending their convicts, opening up their jails to rid themselves of criminals.
Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq are sending terrorists to 'blend in', setting up shop on the backs of the taxpayers.
MS13 is spreading across the country killing and maiming Americans.
Why are they doing this? Because the can. They know the administration will let everyone in, regardless of their backgrounds or diseases they bring. They know they can force their way in, illegally.

These aren't the poor, weak, immigrants that came through Ellis Island, wanting to actually build a successful life for their families through hard work, pay taxes, and be respectful of the country that gave them the opportunity to help build America. No, most are looking for handouts on the back of the American taxpayers.
So you can portray to be a bleeding heart, but know this, this invasion is not rainbows and butterflies. This is a concerted effort to discount your/our rights as Americans to live in a safe America, and manipulate votes at election time to negate your vote.
 
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Well those damned Europeans built this country by doing more than trimming hedges, repairing roofs, and a little crime on the side. The difference? IQ.
Germany 100
Current illegal immigration, not so hot.
Ecuador 79
IQ: Intelligence quotient by country

On the plus side, Microsoft and Silicon Valley are currently benefitting by legal immigration from the highest IQ region of the world, East Asia.
@ElCastor , I've noticed in several of your posts that you are completely taken in by the idea that IQ characteristics can somehow be compiled by nationality or race. I admit the subject of IQ makes for interesting small talk over cocktails, but measuring real life / real people variables with an appropriate degree of validity is practically meaningless.
 
Biggest mistake this country ever made. It will take about another 5 years before the next Civil War breaks out.
There is plenty of room in prison right next to all these folks :

Notables at the bottom in red.

according to wiki- On March 8, 2022, the first criminal trial involving one of the rioters, Guy Reffitt, ended with a jury conviction.[26] Reffitt was subsequently sentenced to seven years and three months in federal prison.[27]

On August 11, 2022, Thomas Robertson was also sentenced to seven years and three months in prison.[28]

On August 26, 2022, Howard Richardson was sentenced to three years and 10 months in prison followed by three years of supervised release. He had struck a police officer three times with a flagpole, hard enough to break the flagpole. He had been arrested in November 2021 and had pleaded guilty in April 2022.[29]

On September 1, 2022, Thomas Webster was sentenced to 10 years in prison.[30]

On September 22, 2022, Timothy Hale-Cusanelli was sentenced to four years in prison.[31]

On October 27, 2022, Albuquerque Cosper Head was sentenced to seven years and six months in prison. He had dragged Metropolitan Police Department officer Mike Fanone into the mob.[32]

On December 5, 2022, Suzanne Ianni was sentenced to 15 days in prison for disorderly conduct. Ianni was formerly an elected member of the town meeting of Natick, Massachusetts, a member of Super Happy Fun America, and organizer of a Boston Straight Pride Parade.[33]

On December 9, 2022, Ronald Sandlin was sentenced to more than five years and three months in prison.[34] Sandlin followed the QAnon ideology. He and two other men had driven from Tennessee to Washington, DC in a rental car filled with weapons, and he had assaulted police officers. He had pled guilty.[35]

On January 6, 2023, Jerod Wade Hughes was sentenced to three years and 10 months in prison. As the eighth rioter to enter the Capitol, he climbed into the building through a broken window and helped kick open the Senate wing door so others could enter. He had pled guilty.[36]

On January 27, 2023, Julian Khater was sentenced to six years and eight months in prison. He used pepper spray to assault Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, who died the next day after suffering strokes.[37]

On February 9, 2023, Kevin Seefried was sentenced to three years in prison. He carried a Confederate flag through the Capitol and used the flagpole to fend off a police officer.[38]

On February 24, 2023, David Mehaffie was sentenced to one year and 2 months in prison. He was a co-defendant at trial with Tristan Chandler Stevens and Patrick McCaughey III, who were sentenced later and received longer sentences.[39]

On March 14, 2023, Tristan Chandler Stevens was sentenced to five years in prison. He assaulted police officers while attempting to break into the Capitol.[40]

On March 23, 2023, Riley June Williams was sentenced to three years in prison. She stole the laptop of Nancy Pelosi with the intent on selling it to Russian foreign intelligence services and attempted to wipe all evidence of her crimes, after bragging about her involvement, in the days following the assault.[41]

On April 11, 2023, Robert Sanford was sentenced to four years and four months in prison. He hit two police officers in the head with a fire extinguisher and threw a traffic cone at another officer.[42]

On April 14, 2023, Vincent J. Gillespie was sentenced to five years and eight months in prison. He grabbed a police shield from officers, rammed it into them and pulled another officer into the mob of protestors.[43]

On April 14, 2023, Patrick McCaughey III was sentenced to seven years and six months in prison. He crushed a police officer in a doorframe with a riot shield.[44]

On April 28, 2023, Jeffrey Scott Brown was sentenced to four years and six months in prison. He assaulted police with pepper spray.[45]

On May 5, 2023, Peter Schwartz was sentenced to 14 years and two months in prison. He sprayed a "super soaker" canister of pepper spray at retreating officers. He had 38 prior convictions over the previous 30 years.[46]

On May 24, 2023, Richard Barnett was sentenced to four years and six months in prison. He had carried a stun gun into House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office, propped his foot up on a desk, and bragged about stealing an envelope from the office.[47]

On May 25, 2023, Stewart Rhodes was sentenced to 18 years in prison, the longest sentence associated with the attack delivered to date. He was charged with seditious conspiracy, receiving an increased sentence due to his actions being ruled as terrorism by U.S. District Judge, Amit Mehta. Rhodes was the founder of the Oath Keepers, a far-right extremist militia, and was the first to be convicted of seditious conspiracy and terrorism in relation to the attack.[48]

On May 25, 2023, Kelly Meggs was sentenced to 12 years in prison. A leader of the Oath Keepers' Florida chapter, Meggs was charged with seditious conspiracy for his role during the attack.[48]

On May 26, 2023, Jessica Watkins was sentenced to eight years and six months and Kenneth Harrelson was sentenced to four years in prison. Both convicts were members of the Oath Keepers, with Watkins' crimes including merging her local Ohio armed group with the Oath Keepers in 2020, and Harrelson serving as the right-hand man to Kelly Meggs, leader of the Florida chapter.[49]

On June 21, 2023, Daniel Rodriguez was sentenced to 12 years and seven months.[50]

On July 7, 2023, Barry Bennet Ramey was sentenced to five years in prison. He was connected to the Proud Boys and pepper-sprayed police in the face.[51]

On July 13, 2023, Kyle Fitzsimons was sentenced to seven years and three months in prison. He attacked Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell and D.C. Police Sgt. Phuson Nguyen. While in the mob, Fitzsimons was hit by another rioter and received a bloody head wound that later required staples.[52]

On July 14, 2023, Audrey Ann Southard-Rumsey was sentenced to six years in prison. Brandishing a flagpole, she knocked over a police officer.[53]

On July 24, 2023, Peter Stager was sentenced to four years and four months in prison. He beat a police officer, Blake Miller, with a flagpole.[54]

On July 28, 2023, Thomas Sibick was sentenced to four years and two months in prison. He stole Metropolitan Police Officer Michael Fanone's badge and radio.[55]

On August 17, 2023, Michael Steven Perkins was sentenced to four years in prison. He attacked officers with a flagpole. His co-defendant, Joshua Christopher Doolin, was sentenced to one year and six months.[56]

On August 29, 2023, Brandon Fellows was sentenced to five months for criminal contempt of court. This was related to his behavior during trial and is separate from whether the jury will convict him of the charges against him.[57]

On August 31, 2023, Joe Biggs was sentenced to seventeen years in prison and Zachary Rehl was sentenced to fifteen years for seditious conspiracy and other charges.[58]

On September 1, 2023, Dominic Pezzola was sentenced to ten years in prison for various charges relating to smashing a window in the U.S. Capitol.[59]

On September 5, 2023, former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio was sentenced to 22 years for his role in organizing the attack.[60]


On September 22, 2023, Jonathan Munafo was sentenced to 33 months followed by 36 months of supervised release. He punched a cop, stole the cop's riot shield, and struck a Capitol office window with two poles. He pleaded guilty.[61]
 
@ElCastor , I've noticed in several of your posts that you are completely taken in by the idea that IQ characteristics can somehow be compiled by nationality or race. I admit the subject of IQ makes for interesting small talk over cocktails, but measuring real life / real people variables with an appropriate degree of validity is practically meaningless.
I am not taken in by an “idea”, but rather by the truth. The most intelligent among us are Ashkenazi Jews, and next, East Asians. It is no coincidence that so many Nobel prizes have been awarded to Ashkenazi Jews. It is also not some trick of nature that those same Jews are often plagued with Gaucher Disease, Cystic Fibrosis, and Tay Sachs. The reason, shared genetics. Where are the finest computer chips produced — Taiwan. Why is our Silicon Valley inundated with East Asian immigrants? Those East Asians are intellectually equipped for success in the High Tech jobs of the Valley.

Disagree? Your privilege, but I suggest you consult the many apolitical sources of national intelligence on the Internet.
 
I haven't noticed any change in immigrants or migrants or green-card people where I live. There are lots today but there were lots in the past too.

When I was in college there were Russian immigrants in class with me (I had a big crush on one guy). When I started in my career long ago I had an office mate who was a refuge that escaped on a boat (from Vietnam). She told me that her mother and her got on one boat and her father and little brother were on another. On the sea, pirates boarded the other boat and killed her father and brother.

Where I worked before I retired there were green-card holders and newly made citizens from Africa, the Middle East, India, Nepal, and Korea. The woman from Korea had been here for some time but hadn't yet worked enough quarters to qualify for Social Security. She was my age so I felt a lot of sympathy for her plight.

At the hotels I stayed at last year and in the community where I live now there are lots of immigrants from Spanish speaking countries. Maybe the countries they came from don't provide free university education like my coworkers had mostly all had. Education is so important for moving up. But, hopefully we have systems to encourage some immigrants to go into the trades, since it seems we desperately need a new generation of trades people.
Education cures poverty...
 
I tried to get a definite answer to your question, Chic, but the
numbers and how they count them are very strange!

The headline in the link below states, "More than 37% of Croydon's
Population is British", but on reading further, that figure changes to
69%, then other things are added, so I can't tell what is true!
More than 37% of Croydon’s population is British - Full Fact

Another result when asking Google, states that London is 55% Ethnic
Minorities.

All I know is that there are an awful lot of migrants in this once small
town, which is now a large borough of London.

Mike.
 
I too feel for the tired and poor. The huddled masses yearning to breath free.
I also feel that the root causes should be addressed. I think migrants would be begging us to do that so they could return to their families and once, maybe still, beautiful country.
What scares me is who is able to sneak in amongst them. The influx is so big they are unable to vett all that enter.
Cartel, al-Qaeda, Spies, prisoners, fentanyl, paedophiles, trafficers.
Is your door unlocked and do you allow anyone to enter without knowing who they are?
Our country is blowing this and we can only watch and fight amongst ourselves.
 
I too feel for the tired and poor. The huddled masses yearning to breath free.
I also feel that the root causes should be addressed. I think migrants would be begging us to do that so they could return to their families and once, maybe still, beautiful country.
What scares me is who is able to sneak in amongst them. The influx is so big they are unable to vett all that enter.
Cartel, al-Qaeda, Spies, prisoners, fentanyl, paedophiles, trafficers.
Is your door unlocked and do you allow anyone to enter without knowing who they are?
Our country is blowing this and we can only watch and fight amongst ourselves.

What are the root causes of global migration and how should they be addressed?
 
What are the root causes of global migration and how should they be addressed?

Global migration is the result of many things. Some are natural. Floods, drought. Things beyond control. Humanitarian resources are addressing that root cause.
Beyond that, if I knew how to address the causes, I would volunteer to do it. I have to put my trust in the people that are qualified and hope they are competent enough to do it. The voting booth is my only option.
 


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