gruntlabor
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I am an Atheist and always have been.
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Knight
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Didn't start out as an atheist just grew away from not having blind faith when I began questioning. Those that have faith that believe what is promoted in any of these takes nothing from me.
how many main religions are there - Bing
If comfort is derived from what they believe good for them.
As for me I'm comfortable with my choice.
how many main religions are there - Bing
If comfort is derived from what they believe good for them.
As for me I'm comfortable with my choice.
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I asked Gemini to analyze David's post and this is what it gave me...
He has memorized technical vocabulary but hasn't necessarily mastered the subjects. Instead of using science to explain reality, he’s using scientific "tidbits" as a costume to make his sci-fi/theological mashup sound more authoritative.
Where he "hallucinates" or stretches the truth
He understands some high-level scientific terminology, but he uses it to build a "pseudoscience" narrative that doesn't actually align with how those concepts work in reality. He is an associative thinker—he takes real terms from physics and biology and "glues" them together to support his personal theories about robots and the Bible.
He has memorized technical vocabulary but hasn't necessarily mastered the subjects. Instead of using science to explain reality, he’s using scientific "tidbits" as a costume to make his sci-fi/theological mashup sound more authoritative.
Where he "hallucinates" or stretches the truth
- Spirit = H2O: This is a personal interpretation without any basis in mainstream Hebrew or Greek scholarship. While "spirit" (ruach in Hebrew) can mean "breath" or "wind," associating it specifically with the water molecule is a creative leap he's made to bridge his "water-based robot" theory with the Bible.
- Impedance Matching: In electronics, "impedance matching" is about maximizing power transfer between circuits. He uses it as a "science-y" way to say "uploading a brain," but there is no biological or physical evidence that you can "duplicate" an EM field simply by matching impedance in a water structure.
- Moses and Elijah as Robots: This is pure science fiction. He is "retrofitting" the Transfiguration story to fit his tech-heavy worldview, claiming scholars "don't understand" it simply because they aren't looking at the Bible through a Star Trek lens.
He understands some high-level scientific terminology, but he uses it to build a "pseudoscience" narrative that doesn't actually align with how those concepts work in reality. He is an associative thinker—he takes real terms from physics and biology and "glues" them together to support his personal theories about robots and the Bible.
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gruntlabor
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Thank you, Warrigal. I couldn't understand his words, and captions were not available, but the candle was hypnotizing.
gruntlabor
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That seems to me to be a negatively slanted report of what we all do to understand the world.
Trade
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I had a copy of that for a while. But I never read any of it. It was in 1990 when I was going through my divorce and I was broke so I took a part time job doing taxes at H&R Block for some much needed extra income. There were a lot of Mormons that worked there. In fact all of the management in that district were Mormons. But that's another story.
My interest was in one of the receptionists that was a cute redhead who was also a Mormon and I pretended to be interested in her religion for more secular reasons. But it didn't work out the way In had hoped. I learned wat too late in life that in matters of the heart the best advice is to "Be yourself, don't pretend".
I think I ended up dropping it into either the Salvation Army or Goodwill Donation box. Someone told me it had something about Jesus coming to America and Magic Underwear, but that's all I know about it.
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David777
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What a pile of utter garbage, that I expect has something the way the Google AI question was purposely manipulatively posed. Anything posted tersely speculatively on an informal web site like this is not intended to be used as thorough structured science while the Gemini ouput fails to view my terse pose so. And I wonder why haha? I could strongly refute your Gemini results, but that would serve no purpose as I use our site like a convenient cloud memory for public ideas.
MACKTEXAS
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It should be expected that an opening sentence such as the one below would alienate and cause defensiveness among most readers:
"Some of you, if truly searching for meaning, especially those wondering about their eternal existence, should do some actual research yourself instead of speculating from your own ignorance and personal religious experiences contaminated by dominating usual flawed denominational dogmas."
To promote attention and build trust among readers, the author should adopt a more respectful tone.
"Some of you, if truly searching for meaning, especially those wondering about their eternal existence, should do some actual research yourself instead of speculating from your own ignorance and personal religious experiences contaminated by dominating usual flawed denominational dogmas."
To promote attention and build trust among readers, the author should adopt a more respectful tone.
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Accept reality. The reality is that an African guy was dead for 3 days. He was in a morgue. They had checked him. His wife took him to a meeting in a casket. And now he's alive. It was all over the Newspapers in Nigeria.
I once had to get tested cause my manager was an ass and LOL that psychiater was so arrogant. She asked me if I wasn't worried about losing my job. I have 3 kids to feed. I need this job. So I say no because the Bible says: Cast all your cares on Him, because He cares for you. LOL She wrote in fancier words of course that I was too stupid to realize something was wrong with me, because a normal person worries about that sort of thing. LOL and because of that they could not fire me. I work for the Dutch government. If you're crazy they may not fire you. It's now years later and I still work there and we got rid of the manager. He was bugging more people. Quite some people were at home with a burnout because of him. I just kept working.
Accept reality. The reality is that an African guy was dead for 3 days. He was in a morgue. They had checked him. His wife took him to a meeting in a casket. And now he's alive. It was all over the Newspapers in Nigeria.
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yet that experience stuck in your mind. ever wonder why?When I was a child, we had a Christian church right across the street from my house.
No one ever asked me to go, I just got up, dressed, and went by myself.
I won a trip to Cedar Point for reciting the books of the Bible.
We had evening dinners twice a month.
They gave kids stuff. I loved it.
Everyone was so nice.
So far no one can read our minds so I believe people can believe or not believe in whatever they choose.
rbtvgo
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you still make no sense
rbtvgo
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There is no answers for the comments expressed. There is no statement, fact, quote that will ever make a difference. Those searching need to ask God. Those who want to debate what they know,I just need to address others who disagree with their particular statements.
Debate till the cows come to the barn. Neither side will be satisfied.
rbtvgo
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This forum, if anything , has opened my eyes to how much we are estranged. How different we are. How distant we are from one another. It's shocking. We want the same things. We value the same things. We laugh for the same reasons and cry for the same. Yet we are so different. What is it? trust? Belief that no one understands what I am going thru. ?????????????
We all understand, to some degree, your grief. Yet we act like professors in our responses. Dispensing wisdom with no human content. Instead of we understand because of my experience , we choose to stay divorced from the situation and just offer advise. just my thoughts
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For your consideration. I am not certain that we all want the same things. People I know have very different desires on what they like. I do find a few who like the same thing. If your talking about basic human needs, then yes we all need food, shelter, safety, and love. That is being human, but how can you be shocked by people being different. We are like flowers. We also all enjoy how beautifully unique flowers can be. 
I agree with this to a point. I believe in God and have a religion but I question. I of course think and anyone with logic should we could have been born in a different country, been taught a different religion, have been born a different race, any of it...
It definitely is at least in the beginning what we are taught I'd agree with.
However, we can take all we learn and see through life to form our own opinions and what I've come to I still believe. That doesn't mean however that I buy into mankind's interpretation of everything in any religion or that it's been necessarily gotten right. I believe no one knows the answer that is alive anyhow...
But for me, just for me, I've seen too much evidence that something bigger than us exists and I call such God. I don't think either that it is bad to have belief at all, it is comforting in this crazy world, so long as one doesn't fall for the ones who use it for their own purposes and so on, and there will always be some who do that.
I question much though, I can't say that I don't...
It makes more sense to me though than any other theory and maybe EVERYONE is wrong... And I feel that I've felt that presence many a time in my life.
I've come to my own conclusions of what I believe, although I'm not one that would not change them with real reason to, but it would take a lot as I feel I've felt it.
Still, I'd never push what I believe on anyone else. And organized religion and church, not the biggest fan. I have seen a lot of hypocrisy and people that use such.
It is just my own opinion.
David777
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I intended to bruise others directions at this late stage of the thread, enough that if their so intent on making big deals on some of the things they are writing about, they ought consider becoming more serious how they approach these philosophical to science issues and actually spend time on at least modest summary research.
My forum inputs as I've clearly related for years, are often speculative hypothesis given my considerable generous science background, such that I am not going to explain that perspective each time I post just for a few that never read earlier posts. Thus, may post taking whatever under measured consideration without a judgment of how much I might lean so unless stated. As a purposely rational logical person that made a career of troubleshooting complexities, that is part of my life and way of being. No entities have ever whispered into my ears though I do dream excessively. My existence since retiring has been to have fun and enjoy, especially complexities and wonders of our natural world.
My forum inputs as I've clearly related for years, are often speculative hypothesis given my considerable generous science background, such that I am not going to explain that perspective each time I post just for a few that never read earlier posts. Thus, may post taking whatever under measured consideration without a judgment of how much I might lean so unless stated. As a purposely rational logical person that made a career of troubleshooting complexities, that is part of my life and way of being. No entities have ever whispered into my ears though I do dream excessively. My existence since retiring has been to have fun and enjoy, especially complexities and wonders of our natural world.
gruntlabor
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Yes, and so much to learn. So little time.For your consideration. I am not certain that we all want the same things. People I know have very different desires on what they like. I do find a few who like the same thing. If your talking about basic human needs, then yes we all need food, shelter, safety, and love. That is being Yall enjoy how beautifully unique flowers can be.
RambleTamble
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Isn't what you're referring to as "god" really just nature? Not that there's anything wrong with that. Einstein believed in a cosmic god responsible for the orderly harmony of the universe... in other words, nature rather than a personal deity that watches everything you do and answers prayers. Of course, he didn't know back then what we know now about the universe and some of the cataclysmic activity such as massive stars being shredded and collapsing into black holes. There's nothing harmonious about that!
RambleTamble
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Here's a Humanistic Judaism service, which doesn't mention "god."
JustDave
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Pantheism identifies the universe as God, and worships it. Most Pantheists do not assign it magical powers or believe it involves itself in our personal lives, but some do. I was told this by a Pantheist, so maybe it's correct. It's a religion that actually makes some sense to me. Although when I asked a Pantheist why call it a god, especially if you do not assign it magical power, the answer was, "Because I have a god shaped hole in my heart." I didn't know what to make of that.
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MACKTEXAS
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What does this have to do with the post you're replying to?
Having had a Grt-Grandmother who was half Choctaw and raised on the Oklahoma Reservation. She used both her
Tribal and Christian beliefs to teach us children. Hearing her stories of the Choctaw beliefs passed down BEFORE
organized religion was taught to them it makes me wonder.
Before Ministers words were ever heard they believed in a Good and a Bad Spirit, their habitat had spirits (mother nature)
they believed in 2 types of afterlife.
One of sunshine and near natural as here on Earth and one filled with dark cloudiness and a foggy type atmosphere
where one could not see clearly and no animals to hunt, no beauty to admire.
How similar in many ways, not in detail but in theory.
My point being - where did these beliefs come from, why so similar but much more simple? If we were born atheist, then
where and why did these thoughts begin? There were no religious groups to teach them these thoughts. This happened
all over the world but this one I know most about. They also taught children in a type of parable about the earth and creatures
around them.
They were not influenced by the Bible, what influenced them? They were a simple people with the same basic needs we have still today.
I find these histories fascinating before The Word was ever introduced to them.
Tribal and Christian beliefs to teach us children. Hearing her stories of the Choctaw beliefs passed down BEFORE
organized religion was taught to them it makes me wonder.
Before Ministers words were ever heard they believed in a Good and a Bad Spirit, their habitat had spirits (mother nature)
they believed in 2 types of afterlife.
One of sunshine and near natural as here on Earth and one filled with dark cloudiness and a foggy type atmosphere
where one could not see clearly and no animals to hunt, no beauty to admire.
How similar in many ways, not in detail but in theory.
My point being - where did these beliefs come from, why so similar but much more simple? If we were born atheist, then
where and why did these thoughts begin? There were no religious groups to teach them these thoughts. This happened
all over the world but this one I know most about. They also taught children in a type of parable about the earth and creatures
around them.
They were not influenced by the Bible, what influenced them? They were a simple people with the same basic needs we have still today.
I find these histories fascinating before The Word was ever introduced to them.
No I'm not. Nature had to be created. It's back to what I said many posts back, there is no beginning... Everything had to come from something or someone, etc.
I can believe what I or some call God could be a lot different than what mankind thinks... I definitely do question things but there just has to be something, someone... But even then as I've said where did He come from....
Hard to put into words but life makes really no sense at all.
Here's another one... I think some religions that we think have a different god (not all) may very well be the same god. Interpretation by mankind can affect much... Culture.