I wonder if they can actually mandate the vaccine...

[garyt1957]

IF the vaccine is pretty much 100% effective like the measles and some other vaccines it won't matter much if some people choose not to get it. They'll only be risking their own health and their like minded brethren. That's fine with me.

 

[MarciKS]

IF the vaccine is pretty much 100% effective like the measles and some other vaccines it won't matter much if some people choose not to get it. They'll only be risking their own health and their like minded brethren. That's fine with me.

Are you speaking about the ones who simply don't want it? Or are you lumping the ones who don't want it because they may have adverse reactions into that lovely wish?

 

[JaniceM]

Their egos often are a problem. After doctors at Kaiser sent my mom home with gas pills twice, I noted her fever & I could see a bulge in her night gown on her right side. I took her back to Kaiser & I said to the doctor, "Have you checked her for appendicitis?" He replied, "What medical school did you graduate from?" She was later rushed into surgery after her appendix burst. She could have died.

One of the hairiest experiences I've had- of many- a few years ago: I was expected to go through immediate, emergency surgery that would have been complicated and dangerous on the word of a Physician's Assistant. She said if I didn't go along with it, I 'could die.' An attendant rushed into the exam room to prep me for surgery, and I walked out.

After they shot me up with morphine and I somehow made it home, I was unconscious for more than 15 hours.. but the symptoms were gone when I regained consciousness. As it's not something that could correct itself, either it was "God" OR "the p.a. was wrong." I don't care which one you pick, but to show what kind of environment this is, a neighbor gushed "Physician's Assistants have almost as much training as doctors!"

Worsening matters, while I haven't seen any recent updates, a couple of years ago the state was planning to give the full range of nurses and even 'social workers' the authority to prescribe.. as if the "drugging" wasn't already bad enough around here.

 

[Carymeaway]

First off, no one can force anyone to take the vaccine or force anyone to stay in there home if they do not take the vaccine. Once the vaccine is in large amount and starts to be given there will be many people who refuse. Those people I suppose will continue to wear masks I would hope.

I won't wear one unless I need something from the business.

 

[OneEyedDiva]

My son, a few family members and others I know are opposed to taking the vaccine, especially if it's being forced. Part of the reason is distrust and I understand that. My son feels that health officials are not emphasizing building the immune system enough. We know, however, that no matter what, some people have compromised immune systems due to illnesses and not much will change that. My response to possible mandatory COVID vaccines was "We'll see!".

 

[garyt1957]

Are you speaking about the ones who simply don't want it? Or are you lumping the ones who don't want it because they may have adverse reactions into that lovely wish?

First, I didn't wish anything on anybody. I simply said the ones who refuse it will only be risking their health and that of others who choose not to get it. That's on them. As for the few people who won't be able to get it, hopefully the fact that the vast majority of people that do will offer some form of herd immunity.

 

[MarciKS]

First, I didn't wish anything on anybody. I simply said the ones who refuse it will only be risking their health and that of others who choose not to get it. That's on them. As for the few people who won't be able to get it, hopefully the fact that the vast majority of people that do will offer some form of herd immunity.

Ok. I wasn't sure if that's what you meant or not. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[JaniceM]

Say what you want about Dershowitz, but he is a great Constitutional lawyer and teaches or did teach it at Harvard. He is revered with Ginsburg as the two top Constitutional attorneys in the U.S. I heard him speak once and answer questions. He never had to think or hesitate before answering. He knew and was very confident of himself. Now, as a person, I can't say much about him because I don't know the man personally.

Back to the question, the answer is "yes" everyone can be made to take the vaccine, unless that person can show that it wouldn't be in his best interests to do so, like maybe a medical reason or reaction to one of the chemicals in the vaccine or religious, like, perhaps the Amish. I don't know about that entirely, but it seems as though the Amish get excluded from a lot of things others are made to tolerate. I am not in anyway trying to show malice because I really like our Amish people. I am just stating what I know or think I know.

Being forced to be vaccinated came from the Supreme Court. It may have been the measles that caused the case to go before the court. We all had to be vaccinated before we could start school, didn't we?

It occurred to me: one area where I lived back east had an Amish community somewhere in the area.. but they did go out to grocery stores, etc.

Also, I don't know when the Supreme Court started requiring vaccines, but for some unknown reason we didn't get measles vaccines even though they had become available. I had such a bad case of measles that I barely pulled through. The only vaccines I had before starting school were polio and DPT.
But as for religious exemptions, one classmate's family belonged to the Christian Science religion (feel free to correct my spelling), I have no idea what she did or didn't do because people weren't always yammering about their religions. I didn't even know what religion she was til many years later.

 

[Warrigal]

Getting back to mandating vaccination. In the past I decided against measles immunisation for my son. His older sister had already had measles before the first measles vaccine became available. From memory, there were some problems with side effects so I decided against it for the boy.

I knew all about the associated risks of measles and they were sometimes very serious but they were not all that common. So I decided not to risk the less well known effects of the vaccine. AT THAT TIME. Later I would not have hesitated.

Right now people are worrying about the unknown effects of an as yet unavailable new vaccine for a new virus. That is perfectly understandable.

At 77 years old, if the researchers wanted any guinea pigs in my age bracket I would volunteer myself. Someone has to do it and if in my twilight years I can help in this endeavour I am willing to take the risk. My life has been blessed so far and I think I owe a debt that I have yet to repay.

For the record I don't think that compulsory vaccination is acceptable but I do think that mass immunisation programs are very important. This is how diseases like polio were brought under control and the reason why cervical cancer is now absent in younger women in Australia.