If they bring back covid restrictions will you comply this time around?

[MsFox]

Well, this is a post that will make us all more civil and loving and respectful and bring unity and peace...

Ms Fox - you are better than this.

I have never called anyone ignorant for wearing a mask. I have called those mask advocate wearers that call me uncaring, inconsiderate, a spreader, a killer, a fascist, a stupid bitch, etc., --- ignorant and uninformed because they give little or no credit to the science of distancing and hand sanitizing and they don't listen to doctors and scientist that have conducted research on the effectiveness of mask as it pertains to SARS-CoV-2.

The OP asked about would we comply or not and I explained why and in what settings.

Your shaming, as if I were a child and you are of superior knowledge, "you are better than this," certainly doesn't promote goodwill. With that I am off this thread.

 

[JustDave]

Yawn. How many times over the last 3 years have members now answered these same questions, asked 99 different ways?

I haven't been here long enough to give a halfway reliable estimate, but it seems like we may be beating a dead horse.

 

[Jamala]

No point "thinking outside the box" when you are faced with a life or death situation.
The whole idea is to stay out of the box.

 

[Naturally]

Link:
Covid masks may expose wearers to dangerous level of toxic compounds linked to seizures and cancer

 

[Lilac]

I've always wondered what has happened to everyone's lungs breathing in the small paper particles & other products that are contained within those masks for so long. I wonder what will the final end results will be health wise with problems related directly to the masks.

Thank you for the link @Naturally.

 

[Naturally]

@Lilac ... no one enforced the type of mask to wear.
I wore a washable reusable cloth one. Probably did little to fight off COVID but seemed to work for me.
I haven't contracted COVID ... yet.

 

[Jules]

Yawn. How many times over the last 3 years have members now answered these same questions, asked 99 different ways? Is this some kind of endless soapbox game for the sake of imagined influence? In this very small web community with infinitesimal influence over the overall public versus a vast community like Facebook or Twitter.

As said elsewhere, we’re beating a dead horse. No point until another real deadly situation happens.

 

[Raddragn]

"the arrogance and ignorance "

It's more likely those belong at the feet of those who refuse to take fairly simple precaution and subject others to Medical risk

 

[Buckeye]

I haven't been here long enough to give a halfway reliable estimate, but it seems like we may be beating a dead horse.

True, but since we can't argue about politics, this is all we got...

 

[davey]

who said I did the first time - and it was a lie anyway!

 

[Sunny]

"Beating a dead horse" is the perfect metaphor, JustDave. I mostly stay away from this ridiculous (and pretty outdated by now) thread, but I look at it once in a while. I can't believe people are still arguing about this mask thing!

It made me start thinking: Why all the endless squabbling over this one disease? I don't see people arguing over whether smoking really causes lung cancer, or whether eating a completely horrible diet and getting no exercise causes heart disease. Or whether driving under the influence of (whatever) is dangerous, or are sober drivers just as bad? It's only Covid, on and on and on.

Do we see lots of arguments over whether medical personnel should wear masks when performing surgery? Are people working with dangerous viruses in labs required to wear masks if they want to remain alive? Are we arguing over whether caregivers of the immune compromised should wear masks, or are the masks just silly? Of course not. It's only when they are being worn because of Covid.

I think we all know the reason. There is a political element here, and I can't say any more about that, but I suspect that that is really the subject under discussion, not masks, vaccines, medical science, or even the disease itself. It has become a symbol for something else.

And it's not only masks. The endless vaccine argument goes nowhere and is pointless. I haven't seen any other threads about whether vaccines for measles, smallpox, flu, etc. are good or bad, people just follow the dictates of their own conscience and common sense, if they have any. It's a private decision. If you refuse to have your kids vaccinated, and have to home school them for that reason, that's a decision you have made. I haven't seen any arguing about it. It's only Covid, always Covid.

Want to discuss Covid? How about trying a new angle, such as the fact that's recently come to light about how the Chinese government managed to keep that dirty little secret in Wuhan long enough to allow the virus to get out and spread all over the entire world, killing millions?
There was an article in yesterday's paper about that.

 

[JustDave]

I think we all know the reason. There is a political element here, and I can't say any more about that, but I suspect that that is really the subject under discussion, not masks, vaccines, medical science, or even the disease itself. It has become a symbol for something else.

That's the first thing that comes to my mind when trying to explain the exaggerated importance of the topic. It's the elephant in the room that no one dare talk about.

 

[StarSong]

Right you are, @Sunny and @JustDave

I'm ready to unwatch this thread for the same reasons I've unwatched all the other Covid threads.

 

[Lilac]

@Lilac ... no one enforced the type of mask to wear.
I wore a washable reusable cloth one. Probably did little to fight off COVID but seemed to work for me.
I haven't contracted COVID ... yet.

I wore a handkerchief for my mask as did several other family members. I made the cloth ones for my husband. Like you, it worked for us too.

I was thinking of all of the masks that wore worn at the medical facilities where people didn't have the choice as to what they could wear. My one doctor & I were talking one day & in passing it was mentioned about the particles that come off of paper. It made me think about this, especially when I clean the dust off of my kitchen counter where the paper towel sits & all of the fine paper particles fall from when the sheets are torn off. Could this turn into the paper version of black lung for the coal miners? Just a thought...

 

[chic]

I wore a handkerchief for my mask as did several other family members. I made the cloth ones for my husband. Like you, it worked for us too.

I was thinking of all of the masks that wore worn at the medical facilities where people didn't have the choice as to what they could wear. My one doctor & I were talking one day & in passing it was mentioned about the particles that come off of paper. It made me think about this, especially when I clean the dust off of my kitchen counter where the paper towel sits & all of the fine paper particles fall from when the sheets are torn off. Could this turn into the paper version of black lung for the coal miners? Just a thought...

It's like a petri dish of bacteria attached to one's face.

 

[Naturally]

@Lilac ... as the mask article I linked earlier stated, "The surgical N95 mask has been held up as the gold standard when it comes to protecting against Covid."

Here's the thing though ... I had and still have these 3M N95 masks since long before the Covid thing. I don't know how N95 masks are currently packaged but this is how they were packaged before Covid.

I use these N95 Particulate Respirators when crawling in the dirt in the crawl space beneath my house for inspection, maintenance and performing pest prevention.

Note that nowhere on the package labeling is the N95 recommended for communicable disease prevention.
USE FOR: Particles such as those from grinding, sanding, sweeping, sawing, bagging, or processing minerals, coal, iron ore, flour, metal, wood, pollen, and certain other substances. Liquid or non-oil based particles from sprays that do not also emit oil aerosols or vapors.

Of special note is found on the carton and also as shown BOLDED in the third picture below. "Misuse may result in sickness or death."
SOooo, since prevention of communicable diseases is not mentioned, is that not "misuse"?

 

[squatting dog]

 

[chic]

@Lilac ... as the mask article I linked earlier stated, "The surgical N95 mask has been held up as the gold standard when it comes to protecting against Covid."

Here's the thing though ... I had and still have these 3M N95 masks since long before the Covid thing. I don't know how N95 masks are currently packaged but this is how they were packaged before Covid.

I use these N95 Particulate Respirators when crawling in the dirt in the crawl space beneath my house for inspection, maintenance and performing pest prevention.

Note that nowhere on the package labeling is the N95 recommended for communicable disease prevention.
USE FOR: Particles such as those from grinding, sanding, sweeping, sawing, bagging, or processing minerals, coal, iron ore, flour, metal, wood, pollen, and certain other substances. Liquid or non-oil based particles from sprays that do not also emit oil aerosols or vapors.

Of special note is found on the carton and also as shown BOLDED in the third picture below. "Misuse may result in sickness or death."
SOooo, since prevention of communicable diseases is not mentioned, is that not "misuse"?

People must do what makes them comfortable but it's the MANDATES that are dangerous to everyone which is why I asked the question about compliance. I don't care if people wear masks forever as long as it does not jeopardize our freedom to choose to do so or not.

 

[Lilac]

@Naturally we have N-95s & use them the same as you do & for the purposes listed on the package. I also know from working when wearing these masks, that I take a break so I can get fresh & free flowing air. They do restrict your breathing when you are laboring.

I would think that when these were originally tested, they would have tested them for all types of things so they could promote the products for a wide variety of uses instead of a narrow one. If they weren't tested for disease/illnesses when developed, then I believe they had a reasonable belief they wouldn't work in those circumstances.

I would like to know who thought it was a good idea to promote these to prevent disease. If the company had done tests for disease prevention before releasing them for sale, I would like to see those results from that time. If anyone else have done testing prior to Covid, I would like to see that also. That testing I would give more credence to than whatever was done after the fact.

It seems reasonable for the disclaimer "Misuse may result in illness or death" shows that these were not developed or intended for disease prevention. N-95 would not keep the wearer from spreading or contracting any illness by airborne means.

 

[David777]

Like I suggested as evidenced by those still intent within this thread just above, on spewing obviously controversial statements, these MASK threads are simply soapbox excuses, to bait others as a GAME into refuting their posts so they can then endlessly spout the same political BS trolling. Don't take the bait as that is what they are counting on. Most of those countering their posts have probably already responded adequately several times before over the last 3 years so whatever one might counter with, the baiters have already read multiple times and are just laughing at you.

 

[chic]

Like I suggested as evidenced by those still intent within this thread just above, on spewing obviously controversial statements, these MASK threads are simply soapbox excuses, to bait others as a GAME into refuting their posts so they can then endlessly spout the same political BS trolling. Don't take the bait as that is what they are counting on. Most of those countering their posts have probably already responded adequately several times before over the last 3 years so whatever one might counter with, the baiters have already read multiple times and are just laughing at you.

It isn't a "mask" thread. I know because I am the OP. It's a thread about covid restrictions returning this fall It could include, but not be limited to, mask wearing.

Compliance is dangerous for everyone at this point. Say what you will. I don't care. I'm not a troll nor am I baiting anyone. But complying with covid regulations again says how is easy we are to control and manipulate. With the unscrupulous individuals who want to handle us, that really isn't a good idea at all.

 

[hollydolly]

Fears Pirola Covid variant will 'overwhelm NHS' sees 'concerned' health bosses bring back community testing and pull forward booster rollout - as some stores run out of tests again​

Some pharmacies have already run out of Covid tests, as experts urge Brits to stay alert to the new 'concerning' Pirola Covid variant amid fears it could trigger a fresh wave of infections and overwhelm the NHS.

It comes less than 24 hours after health officials u-turned again on the autumn Covid and flu jab drive start date, bringing it forwards from October to September 11, with some experts already calling to 'vaccinate everyone'.

Ministers said the rollout would to help reduce potential pressure on the health service from a fresh wave of Covid cases as scientists rush to learn more about the Pirola, dubbed by some experts as the 'real deal' next strain of the virus.

But pharmacy and GP leaders today slammed the last minute change, labelling it 'utter chaos', and warned that health professionals had been left unprepared and the workforce would now be 'stretched beyond capacity'.

And in another sign the authorities are taking the heavily mutated strain, Pirola, known scientifically as BA.2.86, more seriously, health officials today also confirmed Covid testing and community surveillance would be 'scaled up' ahead of this winter.

Some pharmacies in London are reported to have completely run out of lateral flow tests as demand surged and are unsure when stocks will be replenished.

One shopper who was looking for tests in Boots, Marylebone, was met with empty shelves.

They told MailOnline: 'I was told there are none left in stock and the staff said they had no idea when they were getting any more in because there are supply issues.'

However, a spokesperson for Boots told MailOnline today: 'We are not experiencing any issues with stock of Covid tests and have ample supply in both our stores and on boots.com.'

But Dr Leyla Hannbeck, chief executive of the Association of Independent Multiple Pharmacies, also told MailOnline that pharmacies across the UK were also experiencing the issue.

She said: 'I have been told that Covid tests are out of stock with all mainline wholesalers affecting all areas.

'Once again we are finding ourselves in a situation where officials are advising the public to get tested but there is shortage of stock.
Fears Covid variant will 'overwhelm NHS' sees shops run out of tests

 

[hollydolly]

Thankfully, I still have some Covid tester kits here in the house...and boxes of Masks..if they're required

At least this time, people will know exactly what to do if there's another lockdown...

 

[Robb.hisself]

While I understand peoples' preference and concern for personal freedom, I also think we must act for the common good. We often do so without any concern of loss of personal freedom. Surely you don't make it a habit of running red lights. We all stop on red lights.

So, the need to curtail certain practices for the good of everyone does not seem too much to ask. After all, should you live through it all, you can return to your normal life. But, that's the rub. Surviving to a better day.

 

[chic]

While I understand peoples' preference and concern for personal freedom, I also think we must act for the common good. We often do so without any concern of loss of personal freedom. Surely you don't make it a habit of running red lights. We all stop on red lights.

So, the need to curtail certain practices for the good of everyone does not seem too much to ask. After all, should you live through it all, you can return to your normal life. But, that's the rub. Surviving to a better day.

Thanks for mentioning this, because the more people comply, the longer this stuff will go on and even more will be taken away from people. Have you ever heard of anyone, any group, complying their way out of tyranny? NO. Because it has never happened and it's not going to happen now.