I'm looking for someone exceptional, (who doesn't think they're an exceptional woman)

grahamg

Old codger
I suppose I'd better lay out what I may be like, (as if regularly forum members wont know and/or have made their minds up already, or at least think they do!).

I'd sum myself up in the fewest possible words, (for me! 🤬 ), as this:

"A gentle man", who may not be a "gentleman" in the sense most people would probably use the word!

Right enough about my good self, this exceptional woman who doesn't think they're exceptional,...., well is it fair to say that very sentence makes whoever it might be exceptional? :unsure:

Before I tie myself in too many knots over the word exceptional, (and to stymie some of the criticism no doubt heading my way), she would have to be exceptional to show any interest in me, and not only that be very good at seeking out someone like my good self, as I'm not too hot on finding them!

I'll leave ot there for now, oh,.., wait a minute, "you'll have to be able to read minds too", that might be essential as I'm not the best at explaining myself, (or answering too many darn fool questions I could say too! :rolleyes: ).
 

@grahamg You must be looking in the wrong places or putting your information out there before you should. You must let go of the past, I am sure you have many lovely qualities but the new lady will not see them if you keep going on about the wife that left you or the daughter that chose not to include you in her life. The exwife and daughter have made their desicions, that should not/does not reflect on you. It is only for you to accept that you are a good man and deserve happiness and want to share your life with someone else. Do not let what happened to define you. Let it go, start a fresh and you will be happy you did.
You are the only one that can decide what you want for this stage of your life. You will find it much sooner if you just focus on the future not the past.
 
Before I tie myself in too many knots over the word exceptional, (and to stymie some of the criticism no doubt heading my way), she would have to be exceptional to show any interest in me, and not only that be very good at seeking out someone like my good self, as I'm not too hot on finding them!
Please do not put yourself down, it is very unbecoming of a Gentleman.
 

Please do not put yourself down, it is very unbecoming of a Gentleman.
Ah, but you've misread my OP because I'm certainly no gentleman in the sense you understand the word, (and as most people understand it), I mean to use the two word "Gentle Man" term to mean "gentle person", or someone who is normally gentle to others, (in fact almost exclusively so!):

Perhaps John Denver and Placido Domingo singing helps everyone understand gentleness as I mean to suggest in your minds singing together here:

 
@grahamg You must be looking in the wrong places or putting your information out there before you should. You must let go of the past, I am sure you have many lovely qualities but the new lady will not see them if you keep going on about the wife that left you or the daughter that chose not to include you in her life. The exwife and daughter have made their desicions, that should not/does not reflect on you. It is only for you to accept that you are a good man and deserve happiness and want to share your life with someone else. Do not let what happened to define you. Let it go, start a fresh and you will be happy you did.
You are the only one that can decide what you want for this stage of your life. You will find it much sooner if you just focus on the future not the past.
You are a very blessed person, in the truist sense of that word, but believe me the woman for me will totally accept my refusal to let go of any of the hobby horses I choose to hod on to "till I die", (should I so wish).

To cover the daughter business again, as you've raised it, if you read the post I made recently concerning my daughter telling my parents, when she was aged twenty one and a very adult twenty one, and already at medical school in Newcastle, UK for a couple of years, telling them the reason why she "chose" not to see me, then "her decision", is yes "her decision", but only in the context she set it there, "and nothing more nor less". I'm not in denial here about anything at all, and I am continuing to repeat what I've said because so many refuse to listen to my exxt words on this subject, and I dont deny my daughter's preference for showing "indifference" towards me, or "sending out mixed messages" (ass in choosing to sit next to me in church at the funeral of my father, (her only grandfather she'd known, as her maternal grandfather died a few years before I married my wife).

My focus is just where I want it to be, and I've no desire whatsoever to be like anyone else, (but please accept I totally accept you are very well meaning in all you say, "but there's no accounting for folks", as my father used to say! :) )
 
An exceptional woman here from the sounds of her:
https://lastmilehealth.org/2021/03/31/how-to-be-an-exceptional-woman/

Quote:
"As Women’s History Month draws to a close, I would love to see a broader definition of who we hold up as exceptional"
(Break)
".........
back in 1983, I was truly honored and humbled. I was the very first grantee, but in no way did I consider myself exceptional. Like tens of millions of women around the world, I was just doing the work that needed to be done.

Even though I consider college degrees and social prominence as important, through my work in Liberia’s communities, I see the exceptional stature of people like the market women in our communities. They wake up early, run behind trucks, and come to the market despite challenges they face in their personal lives, to make sure that people can get food and other items to be healthy.

Exceptional women not only grow, sell, and cook the food, but these women are committed to maintaining their focus on the things that matter. They are community touchstones for health, well-being, nutrition, childcare, and cleanliness, and they acquire these skills to ensure that others will have the chance to grow and contribute to their families.

Exceptional women are also those who possess a basic value of equality, social justice, and dedication. They are humble yet assertive and do not take special pride in what they accomplish. (Break) They do what needed to be done and go where they have to go, doing it all with an uncomplicated “Yes.”

There are other aspects that distinguish an exceptional woman who is not an exception. She is deeply spiritual, especially amidst challenges, loss, and adversity. Like many women the world over, she has a deep sense of improving the lives of others in a quiet and peaceful approach that others cannot help sensing and emulating.

Some believe that the average woman they see on the street or caring for children cannot be exceptional, because to be exceptional requires fame on the local, national, or global stage. This argument is wrong because there are many women who are exceptional in their efforts to never stop learning and expanding their world views.

An exceptional woman is one with a sense of inclusion and rightness that can change the world. There are many exceptional women who need to not only be brought to the table but be encouraged to make their own way there, to sit and share with strength, poise, beauty, and dignity.

So, as you look around your community today—or as you look in the mirror—who are those exceptional women who are not exceptions to you?
 
Often, someone will come along when you aren't actively "looking".
Interesting you say that, (and of course others with similar thoughts), and today I can announce at least "chatting to", rather than "chatting up" a very nice young woman in a tea room close to the site I pictured earlier on another thread, in the Yorkshire Dales, UK.

We spoke whilst sitting a different tables, for between half an hour and an hour, (no mentioning of "fathers/parents rights" I'm sure some will be relieved to hear!), and of course a much too young lady for me, (not half my age but nearer to that measure than to my age), though I discovered her name as she left, and she lives in a nearby town! :giggle:
 
Musical interlude now, here first are the lyrics I've just found with some vague connection to the thread title/OP, followed by it being performed by artists I've never heard of before:

"Lets go home together" lyrics:
"I'd never have given you a second look
But I like the way you don't give a damn
You seem like someone I could pick a fight with, and dance all night with
Maybe you'll like me the way I am

And even though you got bad tattoos and smell like booze
I'm into you
And even though you got an attitude
Baby, I'm in love

I've said a little too much
I'm a little bit drunk
Feels like I know you so well
You could be everything that I've been missing
I'm coming out of my shell
And I never do that
How did you do that?
It's like I've known you my whole life
So what we're a little drunk?
Let's go home together (yeah, yeah)
Let's go home together

I'm never that good in a crowded room, mhm-mm
But everything stopped when I just saw you
You seem like someone I could be myself with, no defenses
Maybe you like me the way I am

Even though you talk way too fast
I can't stop looking at your eyes
Heads turn every time you laugh
Baby, I'm in love

I've said a little too much
I'm a little bit drunk
Feels like I know you so well
You could be everything that I've been missing
I'm coming out of my shell
And I never do that
How did you do that?
It's like I've known you my whole life
So what we're a little drunk?
Let's go home together (yeah, yeah)
Let's go home together

I'm a little drunk
Need a little love
Could be everything, that I've been missing
You could be everything to me
I'm a little drunk
Need a little love (mhm-hmm, yeah)
Could be everything
That I've been missing
Baby I'm in love (love)

I've said a little too much
I'm a little bit drunk
Feels like I know you so well
You could be everything that I've been missing
I'm coming out of my shell
And I never do that
How did you do that?
It's like I've known you my whole life
So what we're a little drunk
Let's go home together (ooh-ooh)
Let's go home together (ooh-ooh)

I'd have never given you a second look
But I like the way you don't give a

 
But does anyone want someone who is so self-obsessed? We all need someone who will give as well as take.
You may say that, (and believe me I've a few "so called mates" who fit your description perfectly), but if I'm being referred to as "self obsessed" I'd have to argue with you there, and my ex-wife didn't say such a thing as far as I can recall(?)

I was "so wrong", (whatever that meant), undoubtedly she was bored with me, we had differing aims or priorities in life, but to balance those things you should have heard the views of some of my family on my ex., (certainly my father who described her as "spoilt").

Her own mother declaring, when she discovered from me we were going to split, "let her go, you and I will look after the child of the marriage", was quite telling, (my daughter, her granddaughter obviously, who my mother in law had done such a wonderful job of caring for in the day whilst my wife went back to work at the bank).

You dont expect to hear such things said in your life do you, by the mother of whoever you might marry, (though I did know they had clashed to a considerable degree, following the death of my father in law aged fifty, the MIL saying indeed she had been spoiled by him).
 
But does anyone want someone who is so self-obsessed? We all need someone who will give as well as take.

Here is a definition of people who are "self obsessed", or signs to look for, and you'll have to excuse me because if you believe the criteria liar fits me, plus a "lack of empathy", or quite a few of the other negative characteristics you're way off I'm afraid, (but why should you think you know would be a fair question anyway?):

https://www.bustle.com/articles/161804-11-signs-someone-might-be-self-obsessed-to-watch-out-for

Another take on it here:
https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/self-absorbed/

Quote:
"A self-absorbed person is someone who is only concerned about themselves and shows little interest in or care for others. As licensed marriage and family therapist,....., explains to mbg, these people "have a hard time with empathy and compassion for other people and other people's perspective, and they're much more focused on getting their own needs and wants met."

Break

"..........., a lot of qualities and behaviors of a narcissist will overlap with someone who is self-absorbed. For starters, Neo says, narcissists are very entitled, as are self-absorbed people. "You have to be pretty entitled to always want to bring everything back to you," she adds.

And even if a self-absorbed person may not qualify for the diagnosis of narcissist,......, says, they can still have narcissistic tendencies like manipulation, controlling, and a general lack of empathy or concern for others. Just as a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't a square, a narcissist is self-absorbed, but a self-absorbed person isn't necessarily a narcissist."

7 common signs to look out for:​

1.They call all the shots.
One of the more obvious signs of self-absorption is when someone is always calling the shots. Whether it's where you're going for dinner or when you have s*x, ....., says this kind of person wants everything their way and will probably not appreciate your thoughts, ideas, or recommendations.

2.They make everything a competition.
Is this person always trying to one-up you? Or in some cases, "one-down" you? Neo explains that self-absorbed people always make everything a competition. They may brag about an accomplishment right after you shared your own exciting news, or in the case of "one-downing," she adds, "they'll want to compete with you about how they're suffering more when you're upset about something.

3.They use manipulation to get their way.
As ......., notes, things like emotional manipulation and controlling behavior are certainly signs someone is self-absorbed because someone who cares for the people in their life won't be constantly exhibiting those types of behaviors. This is where you want to look out for other signs of narcissism.

4.They always respond to your problems with toxic positivity.
There are some self-absorbed people who know what they should say in certain situations, even if they don't really mean it. Keep an eye out for toxic positivity. ......., says, in those moments when someone says something that seems nice but isn't really helpful and is actually dismissing your concerns or problems.

5.They know how to mask their selfishness.
Similar to toxic positivity, there are other ways a self-absorbed person can "mask" their self-centeredness. According to Neo, a lot of people like this "tend to be able to pick up the right things to say or know to praise you." But once they've said the right things, she adds, they'll weasel in some competition or bring the conversation back to themselves.

6.They're always the center of attention.
Simply put, "They want to be the center of attention," ......., says—and they'll make it so. Neo echoes this, adding that a self-absorbed person knows how to tailor the conversation to them and can always bring it back to them. And when they're not the center of attention, she adds, they may appear visibly bored or uninterested with their body language.

7.Their openness might be charming at first.
Self-absorbed people can be very charming or interesting at first, ......, notes. "They can come across as emotionally intelligent initially," he explains, adding that because there's a lot of closed off people out there, it can be refreshing to hear someone talk openly about themselves. But you want to be mindful of this, he says, and pay attention to whether they show interest in you, too, by asking questions and simply listening.
 
Yes, that's been my experience.
Maybe some helpful tips here though(?):

https://contentmentquesting.com/5-tips-on-finding-mr-or-mrs-right/

Quote:

Evaluate your Priorities

"Have a list of what are the MOST important things that you are looking for in a spouse, even if that list is a mental one. What are your religious beliefs? How important are they to you? (Break) You also need to have the same moral values. When these two things align, it makes everything else easier.

Consider your views on parenthood. Do you want someone that stays home while you work and tends to the house? Would you prefer to stay home and take care of the house and kids? Do you want to balance dual careers?

How important is honesty to you? Are you wanting someone that always makes you laugh? Someone that you can talk to? Do they have to share the same interests as you? Have a general idea of what you are looking for. I will say that communication is EXTREMELY important in marriage. Balance out your list with a bit of “wiggle room.” There is no such thing as a perfect person, but knowing which things are the MOST important to you and that you are not willing to compromise on can be a great help in evaluating whether you want to spend your entire life with someone or not."

Conclusions
"If you are still looking for Mr. or Mrs. Right, then don’t be discouraged! He or she is out there somewhere and they are waiting for you! Often times we have to go through some heartbreak in order to find them, but it will use that to help you grow into the person that you need to be for them. There are some things that you can do while you wait. The first thing is to pray. “Jesus heals the broken-hearted, oh how sweet that sound to me!” are the words of an old hymn, but they ring just as true today as when the author wrote them. Have patience. Mr. or Mrs. Right may not be ready for YOU yet. You will meet him or her in God’s time.

Keep looking, but look for a friend. Your future spouse is someone that you will be spending the rest of your life with, so you need to be able to enjoy their company. Look for the person that you can’t get enough of being around just because they are themselves. Go out and about. You will never meet anyone if all you do is go to work and stay home! Find something that you enjoy and then start pursuing that hobby. This will make you happier and more confident, which is one of the most attractive qualities on anyone! Take care of yourself. You are important! If you do not value yourself, how can you expect others to?"
 
Maybe some helpful tips here though(?):

https://contentmentquesting.com/5-tips-on-finding-mr-or-mrs-right/

Quote:

Evaluate your Priorities

"Have a list of what are the MOST important things that you are looking for in a spouse, even if that list is a mental one. What are your religious beliefs? How important are they to you? (Break) You also need to have the same moral values. When these two things align, it makes everything else easier.

Consider your views on parenthood. Do you want someone that stays home while you work and tends to the house? Would you prefer to stay home and take care of the house and kids? Do you want to balance dual careers?

How important is honesty to you? Are you wanting someone that always makes you laugh? Someone that you can talk to? Do they have to share the same interests as you? Have a general idea of what you are looking for. I will say that communication is EXTREMELY important in marriage. Balance out your list with a bit of “wiggle room.” There is no such thing as a perfect person, but knowing which things are the MOST important to you and that you are not willing to compromise on can be a great help in evaluating whether you want to spend your entire life with someone or not."

Conclusions
"If you are still looking for Mr. or Mrs. Right, then don’t be discouraged! He or she is out there somewhere and they are waiting for you! Often times we have to go through some heartbreak in order to find them, but it will use that to help you grow into the person that you need to be for them. There are some things that you can do while you wait. The first thing is to pray. “Jesus heals the broken-hearted, oh how sweet that sound to me!” are the words of an old hymn, but they ring just as true today as when the author wrote them. Have patience. Mr. or Mrs. Right may not be ready for YOU yet. You will meet him or her in God’s time.

Keep looking, but look for a friend. Your future spouse is someone that you will be spending the rest of your life with, so you need to be able to enjoy their company. Look for the person that you can’t get enough of being around just because they are themselves. Go out and about. You will never meet anyone if all you do is go to work and stay home! Find something that you enjoy and then start pursuing that hobby. This will make you happier and more confident, which is one of the most attractive qualities on anyone! Take care of yourself. You are important! If you do not value yourself, how can you expect others to?"
No, I had literally stopped looking when I found her. I had stopped even wondering, imagining, or in anyway thinking about a Mrs Right. I had decided there was no Mrs. Right. I'd given up; she did not exist. Women did, sure, but I was convinced the elusive, so-called "Ms. Right" was not among them.

Then one day, I just walked up to the mail box, minding my own business, when pow!...she smacked me on the arse; Mrs. Right. She could've knocked me over with a feather, if I'd seen her coming.

It wasn't the pat on the bum, though I do appreciate that style of introduction, it was her smile, and the look in her eyes, and something indescribable; an irresistible energy, an inescapable attraction that felt obviously mutual, one I was sure every soul in the complex could see and feel.
 
which one is self centered?...i can't tell...ha!
Two people you dont hardly know at all are "self obsessed" you and at least one other have decided, and that's good enough is it? :(:cautious::oops:

If you are made to feel good by throwing dismissive comments around like that, who does it say more about, you or those of us you're criticising? :whistle::unsure::sneaky:
 
No, I had literally stopped looking when I found her. I had stopped even wondering, imagining, or in anyway thinking about a Mrs Right. I had decided there was no Mrs. Right. I'd given up; she did not exist. Women did, sure, but I was convinced the elusive, so-called "Ms. Right" was not among them.
Then one day, I just walked up to the mail box, minding my own business, when pow!...she smacked me on the arse; Mrs. Right. She could've knocked me over with a feather, if I'd seen her coming.
It wasn't the pat on the bum, though I do appreciate that style of introduction, it was her smile, and the look in her eyes, and something indescribable; an irresistible energy, an inescapable attraction that felt obviously mutual, one I was sure every soul in the complex could see and feel.
You are right of course, but just in case it helps here are some websites offering sage advice:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/online-dating/dating-tips/dating-advice-for-men/

What can go wrong here:
https://www.helpguide.org/articles/relationships-communication/tips-for-finding-lasting-love.htm

Quote:
"Common relationship red flags:
The relationship is alcohol dependent. You only communicate well—laugh, talk, make love—when one or both of you are under the influence of alcohol or other substances.

There’s trouble making a commitment. For some people commitment is much more difficult than others. It’s harder for them to trust others or to understand the benefits of a long-term relationship because of previous experiences or an unstable home life growing up.

Nonverbal communication is off. Instead of wanting to connect with you, the other person’s attention is on other things like their phone or the TV.

Jealousy about outside interests. One partner doesn’t like the other spending time with friends and family members outside of the relationship.

Controlling behavior. There is a desire on the part of one person to control the other, and stop them from having independent thoughts and feelings.

The relationship is exclusively sexual. There is no interest in the other person other than a physical one. A meaningful and fulfilling relationship depends on more than just good sex.

No one-on-one time. One partner only wants to be with the other as part of a group of people. If there’s no desire to spend quality time alone with you, outside of the bedroom, it can signify a greater issue."

Finally a young persons take on the whole business:

 
Two people you dont hardly know at all are "self obsessed" you and at least one other have decided, and that's good enough is it? :(:cautious::oops:

If you are made to feel good by throwing dismissive comments around like that, who does it say more about, you or those of us you're criticising? :whistle::unsure::sneaky:
sorry....didn't mean to upset you
 
Sounds like you are looking for companionship that isn't judgmental of you.
You limit yourself by not considering a gay man that considers femineity as the way life was supposed to be.
 
My view: Don't actively look, several eligible ladies will be in your path, you'll know which one is right for you.
Dont you think these ladies always have us at a bit of a disadvantage, because as a friend of mine who has been happily married for a good few years says, "men are fools when it comes to women" (,....., if not everything else!)? :rolleyes::whistle:
 


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