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Shalimar said:
What about the Native Americans who wear their Aboriginal clothing, or the indigenous people of Alaska in their mukluks and embroidered parkas? They certainly are Americans. Then there are the Amish and ultra Orthodox Jews.
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From what I know, and have seen, Native Americans only wear their native dress when performing in a Pow Wow. We been to those both in Colorado and Wyoming. I've seen, on tv, a Native American rodeo where all of them where wearing cowboy hats, cowboy boots and Wrangler brand jeans.

As far as the Alaskans go, we don't see them, or much of them, in the lower 48. But, I'll bet if a person from India was to move there and wear their native dress, the Alaska people would say something about that.

As far as the Amish go, their dress and the way they live is their religion. Some do convert and dress/live like regular Americans do.

The Ulta Orthodox Jews dress with their religion as well.
 

Keesha said:
Yes so there is a distinction. Not all immigrants have ill intentiions but I do understand what you are referring to now. Thank you for clarifying that.

Oh ok so you know for sure there were no Vietnamese criminal gangs before the boat people arrived because the newspaper headlines said so. Thank you.



I’m not sure either Janice. You definitely know more about this than I do. Just the term ‘boat people’ sounds derogatory to me and I don’t even really know the full story. Anyway that’s about all I really need to know about it . I’m not passionately involved so I’ll end my inquisitiveness here.

Thank you!
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Yes, but your "inquisitiveness" is cute!:)
 
Calling people racist, over and over again, ad nauseam , does not make it true. It is an old, over-used, and tiring one-trick pony. Doing such is designed to do two things: 1st, to make the name caller feel superior, and 2nd to try and intimidate people and keep them from speaking their minds.

Well, guess what ? Some of us are not intimidated, nor will we shut up.
 
Keesha said:
Yes so there is a distinction. Not all immigrants have ill intentiions but I do understand what you are referring to now. Thank you for clarifying that.

Oh ok so you know for sure there were no Vietnamese criminal gangs before the boat people arrived because the newspaper headlines said so. Thank you.



I’m not sure either Janice. You definitely know more about this than I do. Just the term ‘boat people’ sounds derogatory to me and I don’t even really know the full story. Anyway that’s about all I really need to know about it . I’m not passionately involved so I’ll end my inquisitiveness here.

Thank you!
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Since you're not familiar with the subject, I'll just add- individuals fled for their lives after the Communist takeover. The individuals I knew personally were already full-fledged Americans by the time I met them in 1976.
 
JaniceM said:
Since you're not familiar with the subject, I'll just add- individuals fled for their lives after the Communist takeover. The individuals I knew personally were already full-fledged Americans by the time I met them in 1976.
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There are the key words....”they were already full-fledged Americans”. Really seems like many, many Mexican immigrants don’t want to become legal Americans. Why???
 
ClassicRockr said:
From what I know, and have seen, Native Americans only wear their native dress when performing in a Pow Wow. We been to those both in Colorado and Wyoming. I've seen, on tv, a Native American rodeo where all of them where wearing cowboy hats, cowboy boots and Wrangler brand jeans.

As far as the Alaskans go, we don't see them, or much of them, in the lower 48. But, I'll bet if a person from India was to move there and wear their native dress, the Alaska people would say something about that.

As far as the Amish go, their dress and the way they live is their religion. Some do convert and dress/live like regular Americans do.

The Ulta Orthodox Jews dress with their religion as well.
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So what exactly do 'regular Americans' wear???
 
JaniceM said:
Actually, that's not the reason Ellis Island was opened.
Read up on Castle Garden.
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Castle Garden Immigration Station
From August 1, 1855 through April 18, 1890, immigrants arriving in the state of New York came through Castle Garden.


America's first official immigrant examining and processing center, Castle Garden welcomed approximately 8 million immigrants - most from Germany, Ireland, England, Scotland, Sweden, Italy, Russia and Denmark.
Castle Garden welcomed its last immigrant on April 18, 1890. After the closing of Castle Garden, immigrants were processed at an old barge office in Manhattan until the opening of the Ellis Island Immigration Center on 1 January 1892. More than one in six native-born Americans are descendants of the eight million immigrants who entered the United States through Castle Garden.


https://www.thoughtco.com/castle-garden-americas-official-immigration-center-1422288


A sugestion was made for me to read about Castle Gardens. Using the inscription on the plaque as fails to address the use of processing centers. I quoted from and provided the referance to


"In honor of the statute's intent to welcome immigrants, the U.S. government opened an immigration office on nearby Ellis Island in 1892. Between 1892 and 1954, Lady Liberty welcomed millions of immigrants who arrived at Ellis Island before continuing their journey into the United States.
https://www.reference.com/art-litera...345c7c12bcc74#"


I came to the same conclusion that America has a process of documenting people coming to America. Those in the caravan that can prove they are entitled to asyslum would be doing so legally. Stopping them to verify status is the process in place. Denial of entry is valid until the process can be completed.
 
Knight said:
Castle Garden Immigration Station
From August 1, 1855 through April 18, 1890, immigrants arriving in the state of New York came through Castle Garden.


America's first official immigrant examining and processing center, Castle Garden welcomed approximately 8 million immigrants - most from Germany, Ireland, England, Scotland, Sweden, Italy, Russia and Denmark.
Castle Garden welcomed its last immigrant on April 18, 1890. After the closing of Castle Garden, immigrants were processed at an old barge office in Manhattan until the opening of the Ellis Island Immigration Center on 1 January 1892. More than one in six native-born Americans are descendants of the eight million immigrants who entered the United States through Castle Garden.


https://www.thoughtco.com/castle-garden-americas-official-immigration-center-1422288


A sugestion was made for me to read about Castle Gardens. Using the inscription on the plaque as fails to address the use of processing centers. I quoted from and provided the referance to


"In honor of the statute's intent to welcome immigrants, the U.S. government opened an immigration office on nearby Ellis Island in 1892. Between 1892 and 1954, Lady Liberty welcomed millions of immigrants who arrived at Ellis Island before continuing their journey into the United States.
https://www.reference.com/art-litera...345c7c12bcc74#"


I came to the same conclusion that America has a process of documenting people coming to America. Those in the caravan that can prove they are entitled to asyslum would be doing so legally. Stopping them to verify status is the process in place. Denial of entry is valid until the process can be completed.
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There are those caravan people that have already been allowed to enter and are waiting for complete processing. Due to this, will America ever learn and do the right way??
 
I don't know what clothing has to do with anything. Personally, I don't care what someone wears. In any event, the tens of thousands of Mexicans I see every single day wear clothing exactly the same as me.

Funny little story. I bought a red and black plaid shirt at Walmart. Last week on my way to the market, I was waiting for the bus and guess what ? Two other guys (Mexicans), at that bus stop, were also wearing the very same shirt. We laughed about it and congratulated each other on our good taste in shirts.
 
Traveler said:
I don't know what clothing has to do with anything. Personally, I don't care what someone wears. In any event, the tens of thousands of Mexicans I see every single day wear clothing exactly the same as me.

Funny little story. I bought a red and black plaid shirt at Walmart. Last week on my way to the market, I was waiting for the bus and guess what ? Two other guys (Mexicans), at that bus stop, were also wearing the very same shirt. We laughed about it and congratulated each other on our good taste in shirts.
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Nothing other than some folks in this thread say “if a person wants to live in America, they should speak English and love America”. Well, wouldn’t that also mean looking/dressing like an American? People who dress in their native country dress don’t seem to want to be American.

Really nothing to do with immigration, but some people get annoyed by it.
 
There are Millions waiting to see what happens here, if we let these in we have no border, or County left, our grandchildren, will work to feed and house these people as mandated by the government
 
Manatee said:
The US population has more than doubled in my lifetime, it is time to shut the door.
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I agree with the feeling. However, I'd like to make a suggestion. Reduce the total number of new immigrants to 10% of the current number AND base the entry visas on merit, and merit alone. We can always use intelligent people who have needed skills.

Example: I have read that there is a critical shortage of nurses in America. I see no valid reason why we can not select foreign nurses and give them bonus points for entry into the U.S. (bonus points moves people up to the head of the line and dramatically shortens their waiting time). Seems like a win-win.

It goes without saying that this selection would NOT in any way be based on race, color, religion or gender. Of course, a criminal background check would be part of the selection process.
 
That's Right! If a person wants to move to a new nation today, they should have the responsibility to learn the new language and customs, and make every effort to "fit in"....otherwise, everyone would be better off if they stayed where they are. My old Grandparents entered the U.S. through Ellis Island in the early 1900's, and they made every attempt to become productive members of their New Nation.
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You're probably right, Don, and they "should" do that. It's to their own benefit to learn the new language, customs, etc. And I'm sure they know that also. Most immigrants enroll very quickly in ESL classes, to learn our very difficult language ASAP. It usually takes one generation for them to completely assimilate and become just as "American" as we are.
 
The US does have legitimate concerns about immigration. The UN comments do not consider that the US and other nations do have built in laws about immigration and how it should be handled. Right now we seem to have some in our government that just do not care about our laws or what is happening to the us. They should all just get in line and get taken per the rules.

I believe that during more sensible times the courts stood for the US way of accepting immigrants and was willing to agree to the UN ways until it started to change the US ways of accepting immigrants.

I saw some politicians and followers discussing this mob scene of immigrations and it was suggested that one possible way of doing things would be to work with those crime filled places and help them gain safety and freedom for their people. Maybe too good to have it happen quickly but it would be one way of ending the drive to move to the US hoping for housing, food, medical help. In the long run we can not afford all this immigration.
 
There is one aspect of deportation of non-citizens that causes me deep shame. Some may not be aware that non-citizens can enroll in our military. Many of them have served one or more tours of duty in Afghanistan/Iraq but when they muster out if they have not yet become legal citizens they can be deported.

In my opinion they have more than paid the price to be full fledged U.S. citizens. There is an office in Tijuana, called Deported Military Vets that serves such men.

As I said, I think it is shameful that we deport such honorable men.

Having said that, it MAY be true that such men do not want to be Americans. If so, then that is a horse of a different color.

I freely admit I haven't looked into this in any depth and I may be reacting to only what I hear from the liberal media.
 
BobF said:
The US does have legitimate concerns about immigration. The UN comments do not consider that the US and other nations do have built in laws about immigration and how it should be handled. Right now we seem to have some in our government that just do not care about our laws or what is happening to the us. They should all just get in line and get taken per the rules.

I believe that during more sensible times the courts stood for the US way of accepting immigrants and was willing to agree to the UN ways until it started to change the US ways of accepting immigrants.

I saw some politicians and followers discussing this mob scene of immigrations and it was suggested that one possible way of doing things would be to work with those crime filled places and help them gain safety and freedom for their people. Maybe too good to have it happen quickly but it would be one way of ending the drive to move to the US hoping for housing, food, medical help. In the long run we can not afford all this immigration.
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I completely agree with you, Bob. Unfortunately there are so many Americans who are America Haters that they would twist our intentions and look for ways to make us look bad. I can hear it now, "Capitalists", "Imperialists" , "Pax Americana" etc.
 
Anyone that served in the military, should be declared a citizen. I was setting around the campfire, just talking to this Vietnamese Capt., this colonel, and some of his men came and set by the campfire, he was saying that he was thinking about going to Australia, because the U.S. was just not worth returning to , I told him my wife and myself were going to stay in Vietnam for awhile , then maybe go to France, with her mom and dad.
 
I think it was around 1968, The first time I was wounded was May 4th 1968, I think it was after that, can't remember what all we talked about, we were just BS- ing, drinking beer.
Traveler said:
That's very interesting, John. Could you tell us a little more about that campfire talk ? When and where it happened ?
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john19485 said:
I think it was around 1968, The first time I was wounded was May 4th 1968, I think it was after that, can't remember what all we talked about, we were just BS- ing, drinking beer.
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Ah, ok. I wasn't sure if you were speaking of recently, or during the war. Thanks
 
ClassicRockr said:
What about some of the ladies from India who will only wear their native dresses? We have one in our complex that's like that. She's the only one though. Has two son's she walks to the bus in the AM and gets them in the PM. Seems like a nice lady, but the dress tells me how much she misses India.
And, stopping at Mc Donald's a couple of weeks ago, two guys from India come in wearing turbans on their heads. They were nice and we talked to them for a moment, but they also seem to miss their country. I do sometimes wonder if the dress and turbans are a religious thing though.

Like the Vietnamese, Mexicans and some other folks from other countries here, people from India speak their native language a lot also. ​
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Ummm, I would point out that Europeans were the original "illegal immigrants" here in America. Following your logic would mean that we should all be dressing in buckskin or whatever and speaking the language of the original Native Americans.
 

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