Immigrant caravan

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ClassicRockr said:
I feel for him as well, but read my reply concerning "safety" in the U.S..
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ClassicRockr said:
In some ways, I'm perfect at reading a person's personality
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Sorry for bursting your bubble here but No you’re not. Far from it.

ClassicRockr said:
When people say the word "safety", just how safe is America to live in? I mean, trying to escape from drug cartel and gang violence, heck we have the same two things here in the U.S..

Of course, there are parts of America that are much more safe than others, but those places sure aren't around the corner from their homes. Big major cities are where descent paying jobs are and some people have to drive miles upon miles to get to work. Basically, only retiree's have the privilege of living in a really safe area.
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Yep! You sound like a sympathy card. :(
 
ClassicRockr said:
AGAIN.........what about the problem concerning those that absolutely don't and won't become legal citizens???
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IMO if they enter legally and are issued a temporary work visa they are more likely to apply for citizenship than they are if they enter illegally.

If they don't apply for citizenship I really don't see a problem as long as they periodically reapply for a temporary work visa, stay out of trouble and contribute to our society.

I also think that it might be a good idea if all Americans took the test for citizenship. I'm willing to bet that many of the folks that make the most noise would fail.
 

That’s a beautiful family you have there Gary. You’ve got every right to love, protect and be proud of them.
Too bad there weren’t more people like you in this crazy world.
Bless you and your family.
A pictures worth a thousand words and yours tell a delightful story. :heart:
 
Aunt Bea said:
IMO if they enter legally and are issued a temporary work visa they are more likely to apply for citizenship than they are if they enter illegally.

If they don't apply for citizenship I really don't see a problem as long as they periodically reapply for a temporary work visa, stay out of trouble and contribute to our society.

I also think that it might be a good idea if all Americans took the test for citizenship. I'm willing to bet that many of the folks that make the most noise would fail.
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Absolutely.
GREAT post Aunt Bea! :thumbsup:
 
Gary O' said:
‘10s of millions’

Sounds a lot
Is a lot
From what I’ve read, the unconfirmed estimate is 10 million.
That too is a lot
Funny, isn’t it? What folks with an agenda can throw around.
Seems there’d be many of those ‘cities’
Overstuffed
Teaming

‘Hundreds’ is a tad less than ‘10s of millions’

Here’s a fresh CNN article talking about a few less than hundreds;

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/01/americas/caravan-migrants-us-border/index.html

My Mexican relatives were recently assassinated in Acapulco

They didn’t join that caravan
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Mon Dieu, Gary, I am so sorry. Beyond horrible.
 
Aunt Bea said:
IMO if they enter legally and are issued a temporary work visa they are more likely to apply for citizenship than they are if they enter illegally.

If they don't apply for citizenship I really don't see a problem as long as they periodically reapply for a temporary work visa, stay out of trouble and contribute to our society.

I also think that it might be a good idea if all Americans took the test for citizenship. I'm willing to bet that many of the folks that make the most noise would fail.
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This is a good idea, thing is, it's been highly documented that most-to-all Mexican workers send most of their paycheck to Mexico for their families there.

As far as them constantly getting a Work Permit and not becoming American citizens, many, many people will disagree with you on this. It's actually a "cop-out" for them to continue staying in the U.S. in a "processing" status. Get the darn "processing" thing going faster so they can get "legal", if indeed that's what they want. Unfortunately, many think, and know, that it's much easier and safer, to get into the "processing" thing than coming in illegally. Both ways can be a "pain in the butt" for legal citizens of the U.S. who wanted and did become legal citizens.
 
Well, the debate is coming to a close for me. Bottom Line is........I totally agree with Traveler's feeling about his thread.
 
Keesha said:
That’s a beautiful family you have there Gary. You’ve got every right to love, protect and be proud of them.
Too bad there weren’t more people like you in this crazy world.
Bless you and your family.
A pictures worth a thousand words and yours tell a delightful story. :heart:
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Gotta say one thing here, then go outside.

there are

hundreds of millions

they just don't post on threads

they're too humble

it comes natural for 'em to remain mute, quiet
living by example

they are so very easy to find
next to you on a bus
standing in line at a store
viewing from across a park

if
you look for them

some don't

funny thing;
take two sworn enemies
that hate each other's kind
confine them
eventually, their thoughts will migrate towards a mutual understanding
oftentimes they'll become friends, sometimes even close friends
I have a few of those

others
those that concentrate on isolating others
will never have what they so seek

humanity can be so inhumane
 
Gary O' said:
Gotta say one thing here, then go outside.

there are

hundreds of millions

they just don't post on threads

they're too humble

it comes natural for 'em to remain mute, quiet
living by example

they are so very easy to find
next to you on a bus
standing in line at a store
viewing from across a park

if
you look for them

some don't

funny thing;
take two sworn enemies
that hate each other's kind
confine them
eventually, their thoughts will migrate towards a mutual understanding
oftentimes they'll become friends, sometimes even close friends
I have a few of those

others
those that concentrate on isolating others
will never have what they so seek

humanity can be so inhumane
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I wholeheartedly agree. I am inspired by refugees from war torn countries who are humbly grateful for Canada opening our doors. Even though most of them have lost family members to bombs, disease etc, suffer from PTSD in some fashion, they are

totally committed to building a new life for themselves and their loved ones. Rather than being consumed by resentment for having endured such terrible hardships, they have embraced their own humanity. I am humbled in their presence, I suspect I benefit as much as they do from our sessions.
 
Gary O' said:
funny thing;
take two sworn enemies
that hate each other's kind
confine them
eventually, their thoughts will migrate towards a mutual understanding
oftentimes they'll become friends, sometimes even close friends
I have a few of those
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I think so. I hope so.
As you always say, "Keep a fire" :rose:


Gary O' said:
others
those that concentrate on isolating others
will never have what they so seek
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That, too. :(
 
Gary O' said:
Gotta say one thing here, then go outside.

there are

hundreds of millions

they just don't post on threads

they're too humble

it comes natural for 'em to remain mute, quiet
living by example

they are so very easy to find
next to you on a bus
standing in line at a store
viewing from across a park

if
you look for them

some don't

funny thing;
take two sworn enemies
that hate each other's kind
confine them
eventually, their thoughts will migrate towards a mutual understanding
oftentimes they'll become friends, sometimes even close friends
I have a few of those

others
those that concentrate on isolating others
will never have what they so seek

humanity can be so inhumane
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You are so very right.
I’ve met the worst of mankind but I’ve also met the very best, most generous souls ever.
In my humble opinion, when you perceive the world as innocent and not a threat in any way, most of humanity open their hearts and project their best back to you.

Most people are naturally attracted to loving individuals. You see it in their eyes, hear it in their voices, see it in their smiles and feel it in your heart; and this mutual attraction has nothing to do with race, religion , gender, age or external beauty.
It has to do with humans inner yearning to be loved and loving towards others.

Its all good Gary. :heart:

(my statement was more to boost your morale but yours doesn’t need boosting. It’s just fine as is). :)
 
MUST reply to Gary and Keesha........there are those that will take full advantage of another country without a blink of an eye. Is that what America wants??? There are those sympathizers, that they pray upon. I totally understand what Traveler is saying and/or what many people want...........much more secure borders.

For those that want to open their arms to everyone, that is disaster in the making..........and I believe all of us know that, but there are those that just won't admit it.
 
ClassicRockr said:
MUST reply to Gary and Keesha........there are those that will take full advantage of another country without a blink of an eye. Is that what America wants??? There are those sympathizers, that they pray upon. I totally understand what Traveler is saying and/or what many people want...........much more secure borders.

For those that want to open their arms to everyone, that is disaster in the making..........and I believe all of us know that, but there are those that just won't admit it.
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ClassicRockr! It IS possible to understand what you are saying AND have an open heart about it.
You make compassion seem synonymous with stupid.

Note: I, for one, don’t have my arms open for everyone. FAR, FAR from it. I’m not ‘that’ friendly or trusting.
In fact I’m a tad offended by that very thought . :/
 
Keesha said:
ClassicRockr! It IS possible to understand what you are saying AND have an open heart about it.
You make compassion seem synonymous with stupid.

Note: I, for one, don’t have my arms open for everyone. FAR, FAR from it. I’m not ‘that’ friendly or trusting.
In fact I’m a tad offended by that very thought . :/
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Don't get me wrong, compassion is a darn good thing, but some people have way to much of it and then that mentality blows up in their face. When I met my wife, she was much more compassionate that I have ever been and pretty much nonjudgmental. She will tell anyone that she learned from me how not to be so compassionate and more judgmental. She is very glad that I helped her "see the light" and change. People can be overly compassionate and nonjudgmental and that can spell trouble/problems., like making the wrong type of friends.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Don't get me wrong, compassion is a darn good thing, but some people have way to much of it and then that mentality blows up in their face. When I met my wife, she was much more compassionate that I have ever been and pretty much nonjudgmental. She will tell anyone that she learned from me how not to be so compassionate and more judgmental. She is very glad that I helped her "see the light" and change. People can be overly compassionate and nonjudgmental and that can spell trouble/problems., like making the wrong type of friends.
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Well that’s great that you helped your wife see the light. Praise the Lord.

It depends how you define compassion. What you appear to be defining is not compassion but something else altogether

Compassion isn’t giving in to others to allow them to have their own way. That’s referred to as enabling and does more harm than good. Enabling these illegal immigrants is NOT considered compassionate.

It IS possible to be assertive and compassionate at the same time. If others want to take advantage of someone’s compassion and good nature, then it stops.

Using compassion in the correct way benefits all of humanity.

Here is a good article that correctly defines what compassion is and how it is used

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/making-change/201801/can-you-be-too-compassionate
 
Classic Rocker, have you noticed that those who support maximum immigration are living far away from the problem ?

They don't care one tiny bit about America. In truth, they actually hate everything America stands for. Their actual goal is to destroy our culture. They point the finger and scream hate and racism but they are the ones who hate. Above all else they hate America. By advocating for maximum immigration they are working to speed up our destruction.
 
Keesha said:
Well that’s great that you helped your wife see the light. Praise the Lord.

It depends how you define compassion. What you appear to be defining is not compassion but something else altogether

Compassion isn’t giving in to others to allow them to have their own way. That’s referred to as enabling and does more harm than good. Enabling these illegal immigrants is NOT considered compassionate.

It IS possible to be assertive and compassionate at the same time. If others want to take advantage of someone’s compassion and good nature, then it stops.

Using compassion in the correct way benefits all of humanity.

Here is a good article that correctly defines what compassion is and how it is used

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/making-change/201801/can-you-be-too-compassionate
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Perhaps I should use the word "nice" or "overly nice". Actually, no matter what problems America has, concerning people, the "good doer's" and/or "overly nice" ones seem to come to the rescue. A person commits a murder and the mother, father or other family member will say "basically he/she is a good person". Even the person friends can say this. I don't get it.........a "good" person is a killer???

There was an article online about a town on the border, next to the Rio Grande, where many folks are just this way. One lady told the reporter that she was standing on her porch and seen an illegal running from the wall he just got over. A Border Patrol Agent asked the women "which way did that guy go" and she told him the complete opposite direction than the kid was running.

Another lady let a 22 year old illegal hide under her front porch........why? Well, she told the reporter that the 22 year old look like her son did. After awhile, the kid got out from under the porch and started running again, but Border Patrol caught up with him. The lady told the reporter, "I just don't know why the Border Patrol arrested him". She was upset.

Apparently there are a number of "nice" folks in towns along the border that have this "let them in" mentality. They want to help these illegals escape and avoid being arrested.


As far as the folks in the caravan, just how many do we allow into the U.S............every single one of them???

I think people on this thread need to read online articles about illegals and what some have done (crime) in the U.S.. While at it, read online articles about Mexicans who legally come into the U.S. and stay, but never, ever become citizens.
 
Consider this about [aliens] illegal or legal.

Some fill a need to some industries here in the states...@ a lower wage. Which lowers prices on the product? or raises profit?

Some settle in what ever area they do, and cause no problem...they just want a chance to live & prosper. Some look for & participate in every criminal activity can,...

We have a system in place to weed out the illegals ...and hopefully the criminal....Let's use it!

Those that prove to be illegal & or criminal should be sent back / blocked....

I wish the legals well!...........Why {WE} argue about this I'll never figure out??
 
Traveler said:
Classic Rocker, have you noticed that those who support maximum immigration are living far away from the problem ?

They don't care one tiny bit about America. In truth, they actually hate everything America stands for. Their actual goal is to destroy our culture. They point the finger and scream hate and racism but they are the ones who hate. Above all else they hate America. By advocating for maximum immigration they are working to speed up our destruction.
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Without a doubt, you will get "hate mail" (replies) from this. But, people have to, MUST, understand where you are coming from as well as those that feel the way you do. Without a doubt our Nation is in a battle within itself. Heck, we don't need a War on our soil, we already have one going on amongst society.
 

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