Butterfly
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And, to our eternal shame, those boats, at least the St. Louis, had to return to Germany, where the Nazis murdered most of those Jewish refugees in their prison camps.
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And, to our eternal shame, those boats, at least the St. Louis, had to return to Germany, where the Nazis murdered most of those Jewish refugees in their prison camps.
The innocent are nothing more than sacrificial lambs when a hate agenda is employed.
Shalimar
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Always.
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Very few countries can lay claim to the moral high ground IF we go back in history far enough. Are we discussing history or are we discussing what is happening TODAY ?
It is possible to learn from history. Well, some people can learn. Others will just be victims of their own ignorance.
Conquering other countries was the way of the world in the past. We can do nothing to change the past. All we can do is deal with the present.
The present, as far as this thread is concerned, is whether we are going to allow tens of millions of aliens to alter and eventually destroy our culture. Yes, Gary. Tens of millions.
I say to one and all, 'you think it is bad NOW '? Just wait a few more years and you are going to have the problem in your lap.
Or, if you are very unlucky, you are going to have a gang of street thugs inside your home, and as you and your spouse lie bleeding, you watch them, ransacking your property. Don't laugh, it happens in the southwest, daily.
Guess who are the most common victims of home invasions? Yep, senior citizens.
I hope you don't have to learn the hard way but some people never learn until it is too late.
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Latest update on that caravan. Several hundred have been admitted into the U.S and are staying at a special shelter set up by Christ Church in San Diego. As I watch at the Linea Nuevo, the San Ysidro/Tijuana land-port, hundreds more are sleeping on the ground a few feet from U.S. soil. I passed through them just a few hours ago.
It is possible to learn from history. Well, some people can learn. Others will just be victims of their own ignorance.
Conquering other countries was the way of the world in the past. We can do nothing to change the past. All we can do is deal with the present.
The present, as far as this thread is concerned, is whether we are going to allow tens of millions of aliens to alter and eventually destroy our culture. Yes, Gary. Tens of millions.
I say to one and all, 'you think it is bad NOW '? Just wait a few more years and you are going to have the problem in your lap.
Or, if you are very unlucky, you are going to have a gang of street thugs inside your home, and as you and your spouse lie bleeding, you watch them, ransacking your property. Don't laugh, it happens in the southwest, daily.
Guess who are the most common victims of home invasions? Yep, senior citizens.
I hope you don't have to learn the hard way but some people never learn until it is too late.
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Latest update on that caravan. Several hundred have been admitted into the U.S and are staying at a special shelter set up by Christ Church in San Diego. As I watch at the Linea Nuevo, the San Ysidro/Tijuana land-port, hundreds more are sleeping on the ground a few feet from U.S. soil. I passed through them just a few hours ago.
I read an article in a magazine while waiting to get a haircut and it stated that Californians are moving out of the state in droves. Any truth to this?
I also read that the majority of Californians are against sanctuary cities and giving freebies to the immigrants. Is that true?
I also read that the majority of Californians are against sanctuary cities and giving freebies to the immigrants. Is that true?
I think maybe traveler is worried about their wellfair and feeding them:hide:
ClassicRockr
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There are still PLENTY of people living in Los Angeles and they are Californians or folks that relocated from some other states. My wife does have a girlfriend who lives in Anaheim and she tells us that many Mexicans have moved into her area. Twenty some years ago, it was mainly Santa Ana where Mexicans were found in Orange County. Apparently, since we left in mid 2002, the influx of Mexicans to Orange County has been very large. Although there are still cities in Orange and LA counties they can't afford to live in.........like Newport Beach, Huntington Beach, Laguna Hills, Anaheim Hills, Redondo Beach and some others.
As far as how Californians feel about sanctuary cities, don't know the percentage of those that do and don't want them, but with so many Hispanics, that support immigration (legal or illegal) in Southern California, I wouldn't doubt the positive feelings about sanctuary cities is pretty big.
There are lots and lots of businesses, mostly manufacturing, that hire Mexicans throughout Southern California.
ClassicRockr
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Not really! It's much more about all the illegals that want to come into America, stay, but not become Americans. It's also about the crime and drugs. Not saying that all of them have something to do with the drug cartel or crime, but...........
It's about the businesses that hire illegals.
Lara
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The Department of Justice (Attorney Jeff Sessions) sued California a couple of months ago because they wouldn't cooperate with law enforcement officials. Since then I keep seeing where cities in Southern California, one by one, are revolting and choosing federal law over state regulations. I don't know if it's a majority but the number of CA cities revolting are growing.
CA was sued because of California's 3 new laws, including "Senate Bill 54" that violate the US Constitution Supremacy Clause. CA Governor Jerry Brown and Attorney General Xavier Bacarra are still awaiting court proceedings, last I read.
Lara
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Speaking of Welfare. It makes no sense to me that the growing number of homeless Americans don't qualify for Welfare Benefits because you have to have an address (and a low-paying job?) in order to qualify. But that's not a requirement for illegal immigrants if they request asylum. Homelessness has reached epic proportions in Southern CA. And don't even get me started with the amount of homeless Veterans sleeping on the streets. Shouldn't we be taking care of American citizens first? And repair our mental health programs first that is often the root of the problems?
I saw a cartoon (I don't think it's anything to laugh about but it's probably true) that said, " If you took their welfare checks away from them, they'd deport themselves." Most don't want to be Americans. They want to make money in the US while enjoying benefits and then send their money back home (Mexico) to their large families. Not all but most.
I saw a cartoon (I don't think it's anything to laugh about but it's probably true) that said, " If you took their welfare checks away from them, they'd deport themselves." Most don't want to be Americans. They want to make money in the US while enjoying benefits and then send their money back home (Mexico) to their large families. Not all but most.
Olivia, thanks for the warning! I can hear those screaming hordes of Commies yelling "Capitalists! Imperialists!" while they come to get us senior citizens, and am leavin' for my shelter up in the hills, before they git me.
Butterfly,
Good point. Another interesting note is that one of the official reasons FDR gave for turning away that boatload of European Jews trying to escape the Holocaust is that they would put too big a strain on our social services, having to teach them English, get them settled here, etc.
We can't allow that many scientists, musicians, writers, etc. to enter the country at one time, our "alien" population would get too big. So they were returned to the Nazis.
Butterfly,
Good point. Another interesting note is that one of the official reasons FDR gave for turning away that boatload of European Jews trying to escape the Holocaust is that they would put too big a strain on our social services, having to teach them English, get them settled here, etc.
We can't allow that many scientists, musicians, writers, etc. to enter the country at one time, our "alien" population would get too big. So they were returned to the Nazis.
Don M.
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There's a good solution to that issue....fine the Crap out of employers who hire these illegals. Employers should be required to verify an employees citizenship, or legal status before they hire them. If the jobs dry up, much of the incentive for illegals to come here would disappear.
However, there is a Flip side to this issue...our own people are unwilling to take many of these lower paying jobs....they can make far more on welfare than by working for minimum wage....so, I guess we are stuck with the illegals.
‘10s of millions’
Sounds a lot
Is a lot
From what I’ve read, the unconfirmed estimate is 10 million.
That too is a lot
Funny, isn’t it? What folks with an agenda can throw around.
Seems there’d be many of those ‘cities’
Overstuffed
Teaming
‘Hundreds’ is a tad less than ‘10s of millions’
Here’s a fresh CNN article talking about a few less than hundreds;
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/01/americas/caravan-migrants-us-border/index.html
My Mexican relatives were recently assassinated in Acapulco
They didn’t join that caravan
Gary. I’m so sorry to read this. It’s disturbing & heart breaking.
Thoughts & prayers to you and your loved ones:heart:
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This has all been recently beat to death in another thread
Personally, I do not support anyone getting freebees, anyone.
I especially do not support illegal immigrants or even immigrants getting freebees, either.
come here
earn yer keep
like those from before....waaay before
I really don't understand freebees
it's incentive to be here....duh
build a wall my ass
close the freebee double door
you start where the problem originates
not attack the symptom
legitimate fleeing immigrants know how to survive without our hand outs
ClassicRockr
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Basically, I think this is what Traveler is saying about some, maybe more than "some", Seniors..........
They are either very naïve through early life and become more that way as Seniors, like both of my SIL's or they just don't "think" good enough. Not putting down any Seniors at all, but many will agree with this. Some will hear about making an investment into something from a stranger, write that stranger a check and end up losing thousands of dollars of their savings. They don't ask enough questions or whatever. They will end up yelling "victim" whereas, they just aren't "street smart" and/or are naïve. My wife knows that I'm "street smart" and definitely not naïve. In some ways, I'm perfect at reading a person's personality and/or when they are trying to "sell" something that is completely fake.
This article online today explains this.......How criminals steal $37 billion a year from America's elderly
They are either very naïve through early life and become more that way as Seniors, like both of my SIL's or they just don't "think" good enough. Not putting down any Seniors at all, but many will agree with this. Some will hear about making an investment into something from a stranger, write that stranger a check and end up losing thousands of dollars of their savings. They don't ask enough questions or whatever. They will end up yelling "victim" whereas, they just aren't "street smart" and/or are naïve. My wife knows that I'm "street smart" and definitely not naïve. In some ways, I'm perfect at reading a person's personality and/or when they are trying to "sell" something that is completely fake.
This article online today explains this.......How criminals steal $37 billion a year from America's elderly
My son in law's mother, brother, uncle
22 round to the side of the head
Federale.... drug cartel (one and the same)
Those still living are not safe
My son in law up here is not safe
those stemming the tide of fleeing émigrés have little thought t'ward those in dire need of safety
pisses me off
ClassicRockr
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When people say the word "safety", just how safe is America to live in? I mean, trying to escape from drug cartel and gang violence, heck we have the same two things here in the U.S..
Of course, there are parts of America that are much more safe than others, but those places sure aren't around the corner from their homes. Big major cities are where descent paying jobs are and some people have to drive miles upon miles to get to work. Basically, only retiree's have the privilege of living in a really safe area.
Of course, there are parts of America that are much more safe than others, but those places sure aren't around the corner from their homes. Big major cities are where descent paying jobs are and some people have to drive miles upon miles to get to work. Basically, only retiree's have the privilege of living in a really safe area.
Wow! I can’t even begin to grasp what this must be like for you and your family. I’ve seen pictures of your family and you look so proud and loving towards them. This thread now brings an entirely new meaning to me.
You have every right to be pissed off.
Oh mannnn.
Aunt Bea
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I agree!
I don't support freebies for any able-bodied person including our own citizens that are unwilling to work.
I'm all for a hand up not a handout.
IMO opinion our system should be reformed to require work/education in exchange for benefits.
In this area, I see recent Hispanic immigrants legal or illegal, who can tell, that work at all sorts of menial jobs and live in extended families to make ends meet.
This new wave of immigrants reminds me of the old Italians that came here for a new start. They worked at jobs that required hard labor and scrimped to give their families a better life. They also in many cases kept their native language, religion and the traditions that they grew up with. They were also viewed with prejudice and hatred by many Americans.
IMO we need new blood and we are making a mistake by fighting this wave of new immigrants who actually want to be a part of our country. I think that we should accept them at the border, collect DNA, fingerprints, issue temporary work visas and allow them to enter peacefully. If 10,000,000 do come it is still only a 3-4% increase in our population, we can handle that.
ClassicRockr
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Wow! I can’t even begin to grasp what this must be like for you and your family. I’ve seen pictures of your family and you look so proud and loving towards them. This thread now brings an entirely new meaning to me.
You have every right to be pissed off.
Oh mannnn.
I feel for him as well, but read my reply concerning "safety" in the U.S..
We all deal with our baggageWow! I can’t even begin to grasp what this must be like for you and your family. I’ve seen pictures of your family and you look so proud and loving towards them. This thread now brings an entirely new meaning to me.
You have every right to be pissed off.
Oh mannnn.
all here have them
some heavier
my joy is hugging those little guys
...and seeing them grow into productive citizens
my grandson, second from left;
my son in law next to me
graduated cadet national guard training
Just joined the army
Not an isolated case
right now I wanna wring some necks
...best not post my real thoughts
ClassicRockr
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AGAIN.........what about the problem concerning those that absolutely don't and won't become legal citizens???
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