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They already processed around 160 people from that caravan and only around 60 are still waiting. They must come into our country the proper way and not just sneak across the border or be hauled in box trucks to die and dehydrate in the hot sun. America is a compassionate and giving nation that has let many people from all over the world join us and enjoy the freedoms we all love our country for. We're just being smart the way we are doing things and nobody should criticize us for it. Canadians have no clue to the way illegal immigrants have caused problems with crime and safety and draining our economy they only have a fraction of our population. Traveler I don't know what the hell you're doing living where you are there are plenty of anytowns USA to live in the outskirts of that would be safer than where you are and you should just leave California unless you have ties there
 

Stormy, regarding my purported ignorance regarding illegals, and their apparent behaviour, I am a Canadian, but Sifuphil, my fiancé, is an American, still residing in America. He certainly keeps me up to speed on the situation.
 
Shalimar said:
Stormy, regarding my purported ignorance regarding illegals, and their apparent behaviour, I am a Canadian, but Sifuphil, my fiancé, is an American, still residing in America. He certainly keeps me up to speed on the situation.
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Thanks for the laugh. That's like getting a well balanced view of America from the Taliban. :crying:
 

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Traveler said:
Thanks for the laugh. That's like getting a well balanced view of America from the Taliban. :crying:
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Excuse me, who are you to make disparaging remarks about Sifuphil, and use Taliban as a reference point ? Sifu spent decades instilling discipline and ethics in young students through the medium of Martial Arts, he lived his patriotism through serving others.
 
Shalimar said:
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Excuse me, who are you to make disparaging remarks about Sifuphil, and use Taliban as a reference point ? Sifu spent decades instilling discipline and ethics in young students through the medium of Martial Arts, he lived his patriotism through serving others.
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It was a bit harsh. I’m not sure why Shalimar. Maybe he doesn’t want us Canadians posting in his threads.
After all, we can’t relate or understand.
Perhaps I don’t but I try to. Anyway I’ll stop, if I have nothing of value to add.
 
No one takes away my Canadian Bacon, just ask mama
Keesha said:
It was a bit harsh. I’m not sure why Shalimar. Maybe he doesn’t want us Canadians posting in his threads.
After all, we can’t relate or understand.
Perhaps I don’t but I try to. Anyway I’ll stop, if I have nothing of value to add.
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The reason California leaders and business owners don't want a wall is greed because wages would have to rise in CA to a level where Americans would want the jobs currently taken by illegal aliens.

Illegal immigrants, for generations, have worked the longest hours at the hardest jobs for the lowest pay. Jobs that are nearly impossible to fill.

They don't want to raise wages in California when they can get illegal Mexican workers to do hard labor for next to nothing. And they are already going against the Constitution. They want their own CA Constitution and already have a plan for it.


 
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Yes, I agree that also is a factor. There is no question that "stoop" labor is a very grueling job. Darn few Americans would ever even consider such hard work. And if they did take those jobs, they surely would demand much higher wages and then the price of produce would sky-rocket across the nation.
Yesterday I bought one yellow onion and I had to pay $.33 One lousy onion .33 !

P.S. Most of the remaining caravan of asylum seekers entered the U.S. this morning at 9 am. 258 in total. Another hundred or so decided that they are better off in Mexico, or so they claimed. Realistically, I suspect they will be fence jumping soon. When I crossed the border at 3pm, I saw a hundred or so, still camped out at Linea Nuevo (Mexican side of the border).
 
You're certainly right that produce would skyrocket. I usually close my eyes at the grocery store and bite the bullet. But I did notice the other day that a tiny lime was 79 cents. Oh, and I always notice the price of avocados. You're lucky if you can get one for $2. Americans would do the jobs Mexicans are doing if the wage was high enough...like $30-40 an hour. It's back-breaking work in full sun. But we're not a third world country...we should pay what the job is worth. Fair is fair.

Btw, off topic, gas is going up this summer the highest it's been in 4 years.
 
True stoop labor was the reason immigration laws were ignored but largely ignored is technology.
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Advances in Agricultural Robots Make Immigrant Farm Labor Obsolete
Robot technology is getting smarter, smaller and cheaper. While this evolution is a growing threat to American jobs in general, the applications for agriculture make immigration truly outdated in that employment category, which is a good thing for this nation.


We know the argument: without largely illegal immigrant workers to pick the crops, food would rot in the fields, so deportations should stop. But even though that prediction never materializes, nevertheless we are told our food supply depends on open borders and welcoming lots of Mexican pickers.


But that dependence does not exist — if it ever did. When a robot weeding machine (Little Oz) can be rented for $300 per month as noted in the article below, that technology definitely makes foreign farm workers an unattractive financial choice for farmers.


Earlier farming robots like the harvester shown below were large and expensive.


http://www.limitstogrowth.org/artic...al-robots-make-immigrant-farm-labor-obsolete/




Reading the various media stories most if not all note the women & children make up the bulk of those seeking asylum. Is there really a mystery about the intent of this group?
 
Interesting article Knight. You're right, technology makes the need for illegal farmworkers obsolete.

We have people waiting to come here legally so why are we rewarding those who come here illegally. We should be channeling our efforts and resources to those who want to come legally. And while we're at it, channel some of our time anf resources to the 49,000 vets living homeless on the streets.
 
For the life of me, I'll never understand the thinking of some people. Jorge was a friend of mine. He had been taken into the U.S as a 4 year old. At some point during his childhood he became a legal but temporary alien. As an adult he could have taken the easy necessary steps to become a U.S. citizen. But he never did that, claiming he was too busy working and raising a family.

Even still, all he had to do was go to the Federal authorities once every 10 years and register, to continue living legally in the U.S. I asked him, several times, why he stopped registering. He replied, "There should be no border. I don't recognize any border. People should be able to live anywhere they please. To hell with the government. To hell with their laws".

Well, one evening, Jorge was stopped by the cops for making an illegal U-turn in Los Angeles. I think he was about age 50 at the time. The cop who stopped Jorge, ran a computer check and his name popped up with a federal "hold order". One thing led to another and Jorge found himself in the hands of immigration.

At that point Jorge had two choices, remain in custody until an immigration trial, which would have taken 6 months to a year, OR be deported. Jorge chose deportation. Even after deportation he remained adamant. "NO borders. No government has any right to stop people living where they choose."

Jorge, kept his attitude until he died, of liver failure complications, due to alcohol compumption, in Tijuana. In Mexico there are no free medical services and Jorge spent his last 3 days on this earth screaming, yes literally screaming in pain, until , finally his heart gave out.

To this day I'll never understand Jorge's attitude. He kept saying, "F*** 'em". To hell with the law"
 
I understand what you mean. It does seem the steps to citizenship are so easy and yet some never do. The only thing that I can think of is that, deep inside, their heart belongs to their native country where their families are and they really have no desire to switch allegiance.

They just want to use the US to make money, free healthcare, and take care of their families back home. Our healthcare premiums go up every time an illegal enters our country and doesn't take the steps to citizenship.
 
Of the aprox 10 million illegals in our country, I wonder how many are getting free medical care via health insurance OR just showing up at the hospital, getting the care and then never paying for ?
 
Lara said:
I understand what you mean. It does seem the steps to citizenship are so easy and yet some never do. The only thing that I can think of is that, deep inside, their heart belongs to their native country where their families are and they really have no desire to switch allegiance.

They just want to use the US to make money, free healthcare, and take care of their families back home. Our healthcare premiums go up every time an illegal enters our country and doesn't take the steps to citizenship.
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The steps to citizenship are decidedly NOT easy. It is a long, complicated and expensive process, sometimes taking years, even for a legal permanent resident.
 
Traveler said:
Of the aprox 10 million illegals in our country, I wonder how many are getting free medical care via health insurance OR just showing up at the hospital, getting the care and then never paying for ?
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This is definitely an important part of the whole scenario. If it were just people coming in and working for the fruits and vegetables season (which is mostly what used to happen), then this would not be such an issue.
Where a lot of the problem comes in is that it is not just workers; but whole families, with a multitude of kids as well. Since the men are illegal, they find jobs where they can work and be paid in cash, to stop any money trace. They do not pay any taxes like most American workers have to do, or anything into Social Security or medicare.
However, they get all of the benefits from these programs.
Since they do not show any kind of incomes, they can qualify for food stamps, low-income housing, free medical benefits, and sometimes SSI as well.
This means that the whole family can live essentially for free, and save all of the money that they earn.

Besides these benefits, there are a lot of charities and churches that give free groceries and other items to these people. The food pantry here always has the Hispanic women with all of their little kids running around while they are getting free groceries almost every day of the week,
These women are well dressed in nice clothes, and the little kids have those shoes with the flashing lights on them, and most of the adults and the kids all have cell phones or tablets as well.

It is not right that we have our elderly skimping by with old thrift store clothes and cheap ramen noodles to eat, while the illegal people feel that they have every right to come to this country and avail them selves of benefits that they have not worked for or contributed into in any way.

As Traveler pointed out, many of these people think that laws do not matter and that they can live anywhere they want to, with no borders.
They do not like what happens in their own country, but they want to come here and create the same lawlessness that they are trying to get away from in Mexico.
 
Butterfly said:
The steps to citizenship are decidedly NOT easy. It is a long, complicated and expensive process, sometimes taking years, even for a legal permanent resident.
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(SIGH ) Oh, my. Another person who does not understand the law.

To become a U.S. citizen is the simplest thing in the world. 1st, go and pick up a form N-400. Pay a small fee of $725, which INCLUDES the $640 citizenship application AND the $85 background check. 2nd. study the basic handbook for citizenship. 3rd, take the test. 4th wait for the swearing in ceremony. THAT'S IT, FOLKS.

OF course we do have some people who believe everything should be free and super easy.

"Hi, I'm here to apply for my American citizenship. It's 10 am now. Do you think I could have it done by noon today ?"

"Yes, yes. I know there are several hundred thousand people in line ahead of me, from a hundred different nations BUT I'd rather not wait. "
 
Lara said:
Interesting article Knight. You're right, technology makes the need for illegal farmworkers obsolete.

We have people waiting to come here legally so why are we rewarding those who come here illegally. We should be channeling our efforts and resources to those who want to come legally. And while we're at it, channel some of our time anf resources to the 49,000 vets living homeless on the streets.
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I'm not at all convinced that technology would make farm workers obsolete. That said, there is NO REASON why immigrants who want to enter the US for seasonal work could not do so legally with a work visa... pay taxes, etc.
 

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