India's health system is collapsing

We are having the same problem , people flying into one of the 4 international airports Canada has open. Some are checked many are not and those 4 places have become the hot spots in Canada. Those that quarantine are there for two weeks at their own expense. Some people coming back from warmer locations land in the US and take cabs or limos across the border. No quarantine.
It looks like the UK is in a similar situation as here in Canada, but much worse in the UK. Very sad to hear that. :confused:
 

hollydolly said:
There's no proof whatsoever the UK ''gave the USA'' the virus ....
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Yes I agree and therefore you don’t have to worry about getting the virus from elsewhere, including India, which is my point 😍. It’s a virus, it mutates, our OWN citizens of each country fail to follow the guidelines and we make ourselves worst. Saying someone from another country came and started an increase in the virus in their country-India to the UK-is not valid IMO.

@hollydolly You commented that you didn’t want to endure another lockdown if some immigrants brought another version of the virus into your country. People on the forum in the USA have commented that they don’t want immigrants let into our country because some of them have the virus.

These types of comments tigger me, apparently. Seems just another excuse not to let immigration happen. Not saying that’s your motive @hollydolly just saying it’s a motive; and not a reasonable one IMO.
 
I think vaccine passports are coming.

People have a RIGHT not to get vaccinated but people do not have the right to spread the virus or any disease. If you have TB you are confined to your home as a public health threat. They actually used to put a notice on your door that TB was in the house.

Unfortunately, we may have to pass many unpopular laws, and enforce them, to rid ourselves of the threat stupid noncompliant people and the virus.
 

MarciKS said:
Gee and after so many folks made comments about us living in fear. And after all the new posts stating that this virus isn't as severe as they made it out to be and that the masks are so useless. Now look....this virus is growing right along and gathering strength as it goes. They "got us" living in fear alright. I'm afraid I don't wanna die.
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I don’t want to die drowning in my own fluids which is why I got vaccinated. But I am not afraid of dying or of the virus. The vaccine has certainly given me a false sense security 😍
 
MarciKS said:
Gee and after so many folks made comments about us living in fear. And after all the new posts stating that this virus isn't as severe as they made it out to be and that the masks are so useless. Now look....this virus is growing right along and gathering strength as it goes. They "got us" living in fear alright. I'm afraid I don't wanna die.
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A lot of these people are the ones afraid of the vaccine!!
 
MrPants said:
It's true. India is over crowded with little sanitation and their health care is not what most of us would be used to. Same as Brazil, another country who's Covid situation is out of control and where the majority of the population lives in favelas (slums) or worse. Such a large percentage of the population living in abject poverty. The least of their worries is wearing a mask, social distancing and hand washing. Getting something to eat is their primary focus. I've travelled Brazil and seen quite a number of large cities. It's all glitz and glamour along beach strips but go 1 block up and this is how they live!
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Is it any wonder their healthcare system is in collapse as well and people are dying in unprecedented numbers?
So the question is do the richer countries block flights from these countries or start doing what ever we can to ramp up the immunization programs within these places or ..... a combination of both?
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You could take this picture in any city in the USA. The “richer” countries can not do anything about their own slums, let alone some other country’ slums.
 

Oxygen leak kills 22 in Indian hospital as coronavirus infections mount​


At least 22 patients died on Wednesday in a hospital in western India after a disruption to their oxygen supply caused by a leaking tank, the health minister said, as a nationwide surge in coronavirus cases soaks up supplies of the gas.

The incident in the city of Nashik, one of India's worst-hit areas, happened after the tank of oxygen leaked, said Rajesh Tope, the health minister of Maharashtra, the richest state, where the city is located.

"Patients who were on ventilators at the hospital in Nashik have died," Tope said in televised remarks.

"The leakage was spotted at the tank supplying oxygen to these patients. The interrupted supply could be linked to the deaths of the patients in the hospital."

https://www.reuters.com/world/india...a-grapples-with-coronavirus-storm-2021-04-21/
 
StarSong said:
According to most sources, including the link that @RadishRose supplied above, The Spanish Flu was likely to have originated elsewhere. Spain was merely the first country to acknowledge its existence.
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I actually believe the Spanish flu started in Kansas, USA. I will google it.

@digifoss Yup, most experts believe the Spanish Flu started in Haskell County, Kansas, USA. I think over 21 million died world wide. We seem to be GUILTY, charge us.😂
 
hollydolly said:
Devastating second wave in India continues ..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9506681/Indias-devastating-second-wave-wont-peak-May.html
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From the article:
"Medics fear Covid-19 infections in India could climb to 500,000 per day before the virus-stricken nation reaches the peak of its second wave..."

This number is so difficult to even imagine. Can't imagine how India will get its arms around this.

p.s. The photos accompanying the article truly are worth a thousand words.
 
Canada suspended flights from India & Pakistan for 30 days.

We’ve had cases of the variant found in India, which is considered harder to deal with and they’re not sure of the efficacy of our vaccines.
 
digifoss said:
Yes these things are named for where they are first found. The Wuhan China virus is the correct name just like the Spanish flu was named
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Except that the Spanish flu is a misnomer. It was first noticed in a US army camp and came to Europe with US troops in 1918. It spread rapidly but countries involved in the conflict kept quiet about it to avoid giving the enemy information about infection rates of the fighting forces. Only Spain, a neutral country disclosed the presence of the virus so it became known as the Spanish flu.

There are other theories about its origin but this is the basis for my post

The Spanish Flu did not originate in Spain, though news coverage of it did. During World War I, Spain was a neutral country with a free media that covered the outbreak from the start, first reporting on it in Madrid in late May of 1918. Meanwhile, Allied countries and the Central Powers had wartime censors who covered up news of the flu to keep morale high. Because Spanish news sources were the only ones reporting on the flu, many believed it originated there (the Spanish, meanwhile, believed the virus came from France and called it the “French Flu.”)

Scientists still do not know for sure where the Spanish Flu originated, though theories point to France, China, Britain, or the United States, where the first known case was reported at Camp Funston in Fort Riley, Kansas, on March 11, 1918.

Some believe infected soldiers spread the disease to other military camps across the country, then brought it overseas. In March 1918, 84,000 American soldiers headed across the Atlantic and were followed by 118,000 more the following month.

Spanish Flu - Symptoms, How It Began & Ended - HISTORY
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Warrigal said:
Except that the Spanish flu is a misnomer. It was first noticed in a US army camp and came to Europe with US troops in 1918. It spread rapidly but countries involved in the conflict kept quiet about it to avoid giving the enemy information about infection rates of the fighting forces. Only Spain, a neutral country disclosed the presence of the virus so it became known as the Spanish flu.

There are other theories about its origin but this is the basis for my post
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This is where the research led me, too. US military basic training barracks in Kansas was the first place it was reported.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/
 
Warrigal said:
There is no point in pointing the finger at any nation when it comes to pandemics. The only action to take is to attempt to defeat it by any and all means possible.
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Agreed. That's why it's important to note that the 1918 flu may well have had it's beginnings in the US. Any country could be the one where a virus first crosses from migrating birds or local bats to pigs or other intermediary hosts, and ultimately to humans.
 
An Indian mother has been pictured transporting her son's corpse on a rickshaw after he died, as India's spiralling coronavirus crisis leaves many regions without ambulances, hospital beds and oxygen.

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Meanwhile, desperate relatives have turned to the black market for medical supplies for those forced to seek treatment in their homes, as India recorded 2,812 Covid deaths overnight and infections in the last 24 hours rose to 352,991 on Monday - a record peak and a new global high for a fifth day running.

The price of an oxygen cylinder would typically cost around around $80 (6,000 rupees), but price gougers are cashing in on the huge demand and in some cases charging as much as $1,300 (50,000 rupees) per cylinder.

In the most critical cases, those unable to get access to oxygen are suffocating to death, while some people have resorted to committing suicide by hurling themselves from roofs amid the hospital shortages.

To tackle the crisis, the Indian government announced on Monday that it was sending in the army to help tackle the second deadly wave currently collapsing India's tattered healthcare system.

Meanwhile, a train dubbed 'The Oxygen Express' carrying 64.55 tonnes of Liquid Medical Oxygen (LMO) in oxygen tankers left for Delhi from Raigarh on Monday, the Indian Railways said according to The Times of India.

When it arrives, the supply of oxygen will offer some welcome relief in Delhi, which saw 1,777 people die between April 19 and April 24 alone - a rate of over 12 deaths an hour, or one death every five minutes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gues-run-stretchers-deaths-hit-2-800-day.html
 
hollydolly said:
An Indian mother has been pictured transporting her son's corpse on a rickshaw after he died, as India's spiralling coronavirus crisis leaves many regions without ambulances, hospital beds and oxygen.

42239842-9511529-image-a-31_1619450560823.jpg



Meanwhile, desperate relatives have turned to the black market for medical supplies for those forced to seek treatment in their homes, as India recorded 2,812 Covid deaths overnight and infections in the last 24 hours rose to 352,991 on Monday - a record peak and a new global high for a fifth day running.

The price of an oxygen cylinder would typically cost around around $80 (6,000 rupees), but price gougers are cashing in on the huge demand and in some cases charging as much as $1,300 (50,000 rupees) per cylinder.

In the most critical cases, those unable to get access to oxygen are suffocating to death, while some people have resorted to committing suicide by hurling themselves from roofs amid the hospital shortages.

To tackle the crisis, the Indian government announced on Monday that it was sending in the army to help tackle the second deadly wave currently collapsing India's tattered healthcare system.

Meanwhile, a train dubbed 'The Oxygen Express' carrying 64.55 tonnes of Liquid Medical Oxygen (LMO) in oxygen tankers left for Delhi from Raigarh on Monday, the Indian Railways said according to The Times of India.

When it arrives, the supply of oxygen will offer some welcome relief in Delhi, which saw 1,777 people die between April 19 and April 24 alone - a rate of over 12 deaths an hour, or one death every five minutes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gues-run-stretchers-deaths-hit-2-800-day.html
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Japan is in its third wave/surge as well 🙁
 
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