Insane Arrest Of A Six Year Old Little Girl

It has been a loooooonnnng time since I had an elementary school age child, and while I do not think calling the police and arresting any school-age kid is appropriate, I do think school administrators face really difficult situations and perhaps don't feel they have any recourse. I do know there are lots of lawsuits thrown at schools, way more than there ever used to be. Look at Johnny or Jane cross eyed and boom, instant notoriety and lawsuits. Should they give medications, not give medications, allergy problems, unruly kid problems, I can't even imagine the crap these people have to deal with day in and day out.

From what I have heard and read schools can't discipline kids at all anymore. Somehow, magically, administrators and teachers are just supposed to make sure all the kids from these diverse backgrounds work and play together.

I'm not surprised they've resorted to these tactics with the way their hands are tied anymore.
 
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From what I have heard and read schools can't discipline kids at all anymore.
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What do you mean by discipline? I went to a very good elementary school, yet I can remember kids being physically punished. Witnessing this was the worst experience of my young life. Didn't respect those adults; hated and feared them. Since I was a 'good' kid, I never spoke of it until much later.
 

This is despicable. I'm sure there were at least 1/2 dozen better ways to handle the situation. I think the teacher, or whoever called the police should be held accountable as well. If you can't handle a five year old, perhaps he or she shouldn't be in the classroom. I'm glad to find out the idiot was fired. And I agree with Trade....there are way too many bullies on the police force who misuse their authority. But I had three police officers and a detective in my family so I know there are good cops out there. In fact I've read about several in news stories, but of course those are not the stories that make headlines.
 
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From what I have heard and read schools can't discipline kids at all anymore.
What do you mean by discipline? I went to a very good elementary school, yet I can remember kids being physically punished. Witnessing this was the worst experience of my young life. Didn't respect those adults; hated and feared them. Since I was a 'good' kid, I never spoke of it until much later.
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When I was in Junior High School we had corporal punishment. It consisted of "licks" with a wooden paddle administered by the assistant principal. You would be sent to his office and you would have to pull your pants down, bend over, and present your bare ass to him and he would then whack you with the paddle anywhere from one to three times depending on the severity of your offense. Whenever this was done he would open up the PA system so that they entire school could listen in. Obviously this was reserved for boys only.

I'm not sure how effective this was because it got to be a competition amongst the bad boys. Whomever had the most "licks" for the year got bragging rights. I remember the leader at one time had a total of 43 licks.

I was kind of a goodie two shoes in Junior High. During the whole three years I only got one lick. That was for leaning against a teachers car after lunch.

We didn't have any cops at school. The assistant principal handled most of the discipline that could not be addressed by the classroom teacher.

The licks with the paddle were for the more minor offenses. More serious ones would result in suspensions of anywhere from one to ten days. And the really bad incidents would get you sent to "Marianna" as it was called.

Marianna was where the state reform school was. It was a really bad place.

Back then we didn't know how bad.

While I was in Junior High, I know of two dudes that got sent there. Woody Woodward, and Marty Webster. We never heard from them again.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...what-happened-brutal-reform-school-180957911/

Many of the human remains found at the Arthur G. Dozier School for Boys, Florida’s first juvenile detention center for boys, were buried over a century ago. But questions about their identities—and what exactly happened at this notorious school—have remained alive throughout the center’s brutal history. Who is buried in the school’s many graves, and how did they die?

Now, thanks to a new report by archaeologists and forensic anthropologists from the University of South Florida, some answers have finally emerged. NPR’s Laura Wagner writes that an investigation of the Marianna, Florida institution, which only closed in 2011, has revealed scores of marked and unmarked graves and sets of remains. In the report, researchers discuss work that revealed 55 on-site graves and 51 sets of remains. Using the remains they did find on site, they made seven DNA identifications and 14 other presumptive matches.

The report is the final step in a four-year process of excavation and archaeological exploration at the school. The detention center opened in 1897 and was initially run by governor-appointed commissioners, but the governor and cabinet of Florida later took control.

Its original mandate within Florida state statutes was to act as “not simply a place of correction, but a reform school, where the young offender of the law, separated from vicious associates, may receive careful physical, intellectual and moral training." The boys were to to be restored as honorable citizens that contribute to society.

But that mandate quickly proved false for the school’s inmates. Rather than a place for rehabilitation, the school became a site of horrific abuse. Between 1903 and 1913, write the USF team, a series of investigations found some of the school’s children shackled in chains, denied food and clothing, hired out to other people to work, and beaten. The youngest were just five years old.

Abuses continued over the next century. A group of former students eventually formed who called themselves the “White House Boys” after a blood-covered building where beatings were administered. The group provided a support system and a way for the men to share their stories.

The White House Boys were among a group of 100 former students who took part in a 2010 investigation that found that corporal punishment including paddling and beating was common at the school. Even so, no “tangible physical evidence” supported multiple allegations of rapes and other sexual assaults. Eventually, the school closed in 2011 after a Department of Justice investigation found ongoing excessive force, compromised safety and a lack of services at the school.

A history of education in Florida published in 1921 called the institute “a real reclamation school for delinquent boys,” but hundreds died during their time at the facility. The new report found that between 1900 and 1973, over 100 boys died at the Dozier school. The 1400-acre school was the site not only of a cemetery, but also of a number of unmarked graves. The investigation revealed that the school underreported deaths, including those that occurred for reasons like gunshot wounds and blunt trauma. Other deaths took place due to things like fire and influenza.

Many of the unmarked burial sites studied are thought to be of black students, who were segregated at the school. The team found that three times as many black students died and were buried at Dozier than white students, and that some of those boys were incarcerated for non-criminal charges like running away and incorrigibility. Black boys were less likely to be named in historical records, as well, reflecting the grim realities of reform school life in the segregated South.
 
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From what I have heard and read schools can't discipline kids at all anymore.

I've mentioned this before, but think it bears repeating. I grew up and taught school in New Jersey, where corporal punishment has been strictly banned for many years. I never saw a child "whacked" by a teacher. Trade, what you describe here amounts to physical assault. As a teacher, I would have lost my job if I so much as laid hands on a student.

Yet, somehow, we behaved ourselves as kids; with some teachers, we were terrified of them. As a teacher, I managed to keep order in the classroom. Physical "punishment" is never a necessity, and is brutal and cruel. Incredible that some people are still mourning for those bad old days, maybe because they were a little bit bent out of shape by being physically punished themselves.

No, we don't sit kids in the corner with a dunce cap on either. And we don't practice tarring and feathering, or arresting people for attending a gay nightclub. (I just saw the movie Downton Abbey, where that happens.) I don't miss those days at all.
 
The final paragraphs in the article discuss not only this particular officer's abysmal record of abuse, it goes on to say:

"Domestic-violence allegations are shockingly widespread among law enforcement: Available figures show that while nationally 10 percent of families experience domestic violence, the number for the families of police officers is as high as 40 percent."

Why in the world are these people with domestic violence records working at schools? And the bigger question: What level of idiocy is involved to imagine it appropriate to have a police officer sort out minor disciplinary problems for six year olds?

This teacher and school's administrative policy need some serious investigation if the go-to plan for addressing a six year old's tantrums involves law enforcement.
 
I was 6 years old too when my mother had me arrested for theft!!

I had to take a penny to school every day and she kept her change in a drawer that I could only reach by stretching on my tiptoes and scrabbling around in the drawer for the money (not tall enough to see). I pulled the penny out without looking at it and put it in my pocket. When I got to school, I realised I'd taken a half crown which was approx the same size as the penny, and stupidly I spent some of it on sweets. I never got sweets as a rule so this was like Christmas . I didn't eat the sweets, I took them home with me as well as the change at the end of the day, and presentd them to her , but my mother marched me down to the police station and demand I be charged with theft . I can still see it all playing out in my minds eye to this day. This (to me ) Huge police officer behind the desk, comes around, takes me by the hand and marches me into a Police cell....clearly he had no intention of arresting me because he left me in there for just a few minutes, before letting me out again (scare tactics) ... and he spoke very gently to me too warning me not to do it again.. before sending me home with my mother !! That was around 1961 or '62
What a great story!
 
I was 6 years old too when my mother had me arrested for theft!!

I had to take a penny to school every day and she kept her change in a drawer that I could only reach by stretching on my tiptoes and scrabbling around in the drawer for the money (not tall enough to see). I pulled the penny out without looking at it and put it in my pocket. When I got to school, I realised I'd taken a half crown which was approx the same size as the penny, and stupidly I spent some of it on sweets. I never got sweets as a rule so this was like Christmas . I didn't eat the sweets, I took them home with me as well as the change at the end of the day, and presentd them to her , but my mother marched me down to the police station and demand I be charged with theft . I can still see it all playing out in my minds eye to this day. This (to me ) Huge police officer behind the desk, comes around, takes me by the hand and marches me into a Police cell....clearly he had no intention of arresting me because he left me in there for just a few minutes, before letting me out again (scare tactics) ... and he spoke very gently to me too warning me not to do it again.. before sending me home with my mother !! That was around 1961 or '62
Gonna call you "Sticky Fingers Dolly" now! ;)
 
First of all, really, did anyone not understand that the little girl would be Black? That goes without saying. Apparently, White kids are never disruptive. This is the first kid, in the history of the world, to become disruptive, and even combative, at school. The State of Florida's Education Department was so totally unhinged by a six year old that they had to call in a cop. What's he supposed to do? Read her her rights. Cuff her. Might as well taser her. Could do a cavity search. Thankfully, he didn't shoot her. The people, who are in charge of that school, are supposed to be educated as to child behaviors. They are supposed to have effective protocols, in place, for dealing with errant six year olds. It is not up to a cop, who has no training, to discipline a six year old.
This is nothing more than an attempt to criminalize Black kids.
 
First of all, really, did anyone not understand that the little girl would be Black? That goes without saying. Apparently, White kids are never disruptive. This is the first kid, in the history of the world, to become disruptive, and even combative, at school. The State of Florida's Education Department was so totally unhinged by a six year old that they had to call in a cop. What's he supposed to do? Read her her rights. Cuff her. Might as well taser her. Could do a cavity search. Thankfully, he didn't shoot her. The people, who are in charge of that school, are supposed to be educated as to child behaviors. They are supposed to have effective protocols, in place, for dealing with errant six year olds. It is not up to a cop, who has no training, to discipline a six year old.
This is nothing more than an attempt to criminalize Black kids.
Well said.
 
Gonna call you "Sticky Fingers Dolly" now! ;)
:giggle: This was the kitchen cupboard ... not the exact one, but identical to the one we had when I was a tot ... and the money was kept in the right hand drawer which I could just manage on my tiptoes to dangle my fingers into...

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First of all, really, did anyone not understand that the little girl would be Black? That goes without saying. Apparently, White kids are never disruptive. This is the first kid, in the history of the world, to become disruptive, and even combative, at school. The State of Florida's Education Department was so totally unhinged by a six year old that they had to call in a cop. What's he supposed to do? Read her her rights. Cuff her. Might as well taser her. Could do a cavity search. Thankfully, he didn't shoot her. The people, who are in charge of that school, are supposed to be educated as to child behaviors. They are supposed to have effective protocols, in place, for dealing with errant six year olds. It is not up to a cop, who has no training, to discipline a six year old.
This is nothing more than an attempt to criminalize Black kids.


They do a pretty good job of that on their own......
 
@Trade , I understand you, we have corporal punishment meted out routinely in our school with the Tawse,.. a 2 or 3 finger 1/2 inch thick leather strap .

Legally teachers were only supposed to use it across the palms of our hands for serious infringements of the rules, but in reality they used it on us with alacrity , and some sadistic teachers would belt us over the bare legs, arms, backs of hands, and even over our head.. very painful. ..and for the slightest infringement, like forgetting a pencil, or not wearing a blazer (school uniform)..or forgetting to hand in homework .

We also were routinely hit on the head with blackboard dusters thrown by the teachers from across the room.. or teachers walking up and down the aisles between desks, with a ruler hidden behind their backs, and lashing out hard on the backs of our hands or heads if we were caught talking to a neighbour , we were often covered in bruises and weals from the strap..

The tawse...



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After reading the article and speaking with a few local police chiefs to get their response, I believe that Officer would have been better off calling the child’s emergency contact and asked to come and get the child, then allow the school’s administration and parents to deal with it. This is really not an unlawful situation that required taking anyone into custody. I would imagine that the D.A. is still scratching his head.

Here in Pennsylvania, anyone applying for any job in law enforcement must pass three background checks. Then, every 5 years, the process has to be repeated.

If anyone in law enforcement in Pennsylvania is found guilty of a domestic abuse charge, he/she may or may not lose their job. Was it a misdemeanor or a felony? What was the outcome by the courts? Are there any mitigating factors? Several factors are considered. It is well known that there have been police departments that have swept these cases under the rug, minimized the severity of the situation or have penalized their officers with less punishment than what should have been applied.

In today’s world, these cases are no longer open to the public, unless a child was involved. They classify them as “Personnel Matters” and as such, claim that opening the case to the public violates their privacy policy.

Of course, like I always state when I post a legal opinion, my interpretation does not apply to all states and all situations. There are always mitigating circumstances such as; a judge’s right to seal a court’s opinion or a D. A.’s right to drop charges w/o notice.

Maybe Butterfly can add more to this. I believe that she is/was a paralegal.
 
It's a crazy world out there. I'm a retired teacher. I notice several things in that article. First of all, the child's guardian is her grandmother, which tells me that the child's mom is probably unfit. Yes, I'm reading between the lines here, and anything could have happened to the mom, but I'm going with my experience and the odds. And the odds are that the mother is unfit , probably because of drugs. So this little girl has lots of issues to start with. Then grandma says the kid has sleep apnea. Really? Again, going with the odds, and personal experience, what's really happening is that grandma is too weak, too old, too whatever to make the kid go to bed at a decent hour, so the child is permanently sleep deprived. And grandma probably never says the word "no." I saw so many kids in my classes that never heard the word no at home, and were literally shocked when they heard it at school. And finally we get to the police intervention. Is it right? No. BUT, and its a big but, teacher's hands are tied here. Teachers can't touch a kid without serious repercussions. So if a kid loses it, the teacher has to remove everyone else from the room while the child has a melt-down. Been there, done that. I'm betting there's much, much more to this story than just "little girl kicks teacher and gets hauled off in handcuffs." But journalism being what it is today, the reporter chose to make it about race and police cruelty, rather than about why the child is in such a sorry state to begin with.
 
The grandmother could very easily be a woman in her early forties. I don't know, of course; however, too many things in your argument are assumed, distracting from the idea that schools must be equipped to deal with things other than calling the police on a six year old.
 
The sad fact is that schools are unable to do what they used to do, for fear of law suits and irate parents. So they call the cops. I can practically guarantee that this kid's home life is crap, and that, not sleep apnea, is what's behind her behavior. This article doesn't really tell the whole story. Is this the child's first problem? Or is it one incident in a long series of incidents? We don't know. Did she just lash out at a teacher once or was she throwing a wall-eyed fit? Again, we don't know. And frankly, I don't trust the news to tell me the full story.
 


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