Iran Nuclear Agreement

Jackie22 said:
No matter where Einstein's strength lay, he was a genius and realized the futility of war and the advantages of understanding and negotiating.
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Common sense would dictate that negotiating is preferable to war, you don't need to be a genius to get that.
 

Most psychologists and therapists are not hawkish in their approach. Too often they see the irrevocable emotional/mental anguish that these wars spit out. Common sense? When has that ever trumped power, fanaticism, or greed?
 

Lon said:
Common sense would dictate that negotiating is preferable to war, you don't need to be a genius to get that.
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Common sense took a hike in the leadin to the war in Iraq, and IMHO, also in the dissention and disapproval, instigated mostly by Israel, of this deal with Iran.
 
What really worries Israel most about the proposed agreement is not that Iran might enrich its uranium into an A-bomb. (If that were the case, why would they so virulently oppose a deal that put off this prospect by more than a decade?) No, what worries them much more deeply is that Iran might rejoin the community of nations, possibly even as a diplomatic (and eventually trading) partner of the United States and Europe.
 
Josiah said:
What really worries Israel most about the proposed agreement is not that Iran might enrich its uranium into an A-bomb. (If that were the case, why would they so virulently oppose a deal that put off this prospect by more than a decade?) No, what worries them much more deeply is that Iran might rejoin the community of nations, possibly even as a diplomatic (and eventually trading) partner of the United States and Europe.
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I think you are right but I also think Iran's attitude will preclude their rejoining. Where's the Shah when we need him???
 
AZ Jim said:
I think you are right but I also think Iran's attitude will preclude their rejoining. Where's the Shah when we need him???
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I think there is a better prospect of Iran beginning to behave like a responsible member of the community of nations if their relationship with the rest of the world is normalized. The younger generation of Iranians don't necessarily share the hard-line sentiments of the old clerics. Fifteen years from now I would wager that Iran will be less rather than more bellicose towards it's neighbors. They also constitute a major force opposing ISIS.
 
Let's remember that the US is not the world's "decider". The Iran Nuclear Agreement was negotiated by six parties, US, UK, France, Russia, China and Iran. Furthermore, just recently the 15 members of the U.N. Security Council voted unanimously in Favor of the Iran deal. That's a lot of international opinion unequivacally in favor of the Iran nuclear agreement. OK let's suppose the US Congress voted against the deal and then overode the President's veto, in effect quashing the agreement. Somehow, I don't think the rest of world minus Israel will be particularly enthusiastic about continuing the sanctions nor in treating Iran as the outcast nation in as much as Iran was willing to abide by a negotiated agreement promising not to build a nuclear weapon. I think the international sentiment will be fairly pissed off at the US for poisoning the well of negotiations. If some future Republican president thinks he'll be able to negotiate a better agreement he's kidding himself.
 
Jackie22 said:
Common sense took a hike in the leadin to the war in Iraq, and IMHO, also in the dissention and disapproval, instigated mostly by Israel, of this deal with Iran.
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So you are saying the UN request to several nations to go settle Iraq down was wrong?
 
What is your problem Jim? Are you saying the UN had nothing to do with Iraq. I guess I was not spelling Iraq correctly. An awful lot about Iran lately.
 
I continue to be thoroughly puzzled by Israel's fierce opposition to the Iran nuclear agreement. None of the arguments against the deal that suggest that it won't delay Iran getting a bomb make any sense at all and so fear of nuclear armed Iran is not the reason for Israel's opposition. Some people have said that Israel's motives lie with opposition to Iran establishing normal trade relations with the rest of the world. Frankly this doesn't seem like enough of a reason to justify the hissy fit that Israel is throwing. It just doesn't add up in my mind.
 
Jackie22 said:
Common sense took a hike in the leadin to the war in Iraq, and IMHO, also in the dissention and disapproval, instigated mostly by Israel, of this deal with Iran.
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Jim, I was responding to this post by Jackie22. She spoke of Iraq and so did I. Now who is the confused one in this thread Jim?
 

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