RadishRose
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Amen.I do not understand how it is possible to force a position on anyone without their permission..one can always disagree
Amen.I do not understand how it is possible to force a position on anyone without their permission..one can always disagree
The "thought police"?I think our respective governments need to start policing the internet more efficiently.
You're joking, right?The internet as a whole is used by many to impose their beliefs on others...be it religious or the current so-called 'woke' ideas. Too many impressionable people are influenced by this and I think our respective governments need to start policing the internet more efficiently. Instead of which, they are encouraging it. The world of sport and women's rights are being violated.
What strikes me is that @David777 started something, but so far has not answered what has been asked of him. Hmmmm.
I think I sit somewhere in between your point of view and that stated in the post you responded to just above where you responded to mine, (i.e. Lavinia's post).I agree with you!!..I want to hear what everyone says and I often consider ideas with which I disagree just to figure out if they have validity
Your face is NOT ugly. Quite handsome in fact.Have you ever wondered what the internet would be like if it were impossible to be anonymous? Suppose your real name and location were visible to everyone. I suspect interactions would be much more civil and fake information much rarer.
I think anonymity brings out the worst in people. And, yes, that's my real ugly face.
Folks get a bit touchy when a subject hits close to homeThe main attacks came from one man, who if memory a rves me correctly was known as "Dave", (he chose to try to twist my words around and say I'd accused all stepfathers of being abusers, or him personally at least, which of course I hadn't at all, as I believe any man who can fulfill that role well deserved admiration, as I know I couldn't).
You are too kind, RadishRose. It's much worse close up. It's so bad, I have to squint when I shave or I get the shivers.Your face is NOT ugly. Quite handsome in fact.
Ah, I remember Usenet......You are too kind, RadishRose. It's much worse close up. It's so bad, I have to squint when I shave or I get the shivers.
Back on the subject: I'm not a radio amateur. But, I've spent hours listening to them. It used to be that getting a license was not easy. You had to take a written test on theory and procedures and you had to be able to send and receive Morse code. Contacts were virtually all very polite and civil.
Then came Citizens Band radio and anybody could be on the air. The difference was dramatic. There was all kinds of garbage.
Sadly, in an effort to increase members, efforts were made to make it easier to obtain a ham license. And, civility has gone down even among hams. Nasty words and even jamming now sometimes occur.
I was on the internet before there were browsers, and you had to know a little programming language. There wasn't much content then, but forums like Usenet were pretty civil. But, that didn't last.
Usnet got pretty crazy after a while. There was no moderation at all. Before the internet there were local Bulletin Boards on dial up. They were pretty tightly controlled and some charged a fee. Usually, there was a time limit. Sorry to wander off subject. I'm done.Ah, I remember Usenet......
Let's just see if folks think differently to yourself, or agree and allow the thread to slip away, (as so many, if not all, obviously do, "unless someone stubbornly keeps kicking it back up again", see "Our parents sayings" about to do just that!!! . ).It has been commented here by a couple of people that David's OP hasn't been answered as yet. I believe it has, to the best of anyone's ability to understand exactly what he means since he refuses to give an example. Forcing a position suggests something physical, and I doubt that was his intent, so the alternative is reading the responses given. Some folks are darn pushy when it comes to attempting to convince another of their opinions, ideas, beliefs, etc. However, validity plays no part in this dynamic since who's to determine what is or is not valid in such a situation? Best to drop this now for there is no tried and true answer to it at all.
i don't know how much total transparency would help. People are people and often the worst people are the ones who think they can cure societal ills by targeting others. And even in the 3D, face to face world many people have become generally less civil, while their are still some of us that Mr. Rogers' Mom called 'the helpers'.Have you ever wondered what the internet would be like if it were impossible to be anonymous? Suppose your real name and location were visible to everyone. I suspect interactions would be much more civil and fake information much rarer.
I think anonymity brings out the worst in people. And, yes, that's my real ugly face.
Thank you for your sharing explanation and I am sorry you were upset. Believe me I understand...over the years I had my 'fair share' of attacks (on a political thread). At one point I decided to continue with the conversations but try to be very civil and patient and to learn to use the more harsh comments aimed at my POVs and then to redirect my thinking and emotions. LOL at this point I am grateful to those who were the harshest because I really know I have learned to see things differently without becoming as angry and/or hurt as I was before. I still react more than I should to some topics but I have come a long way.I think I sit somewhere in between your point of view and that stated in the post you responded to just above where you responded to mine, (i.e. Lavinia's post).
Why I say this is because its taken me maybe twenty years of trying to deal with those attacking you, (my/our position, "ironically on fathers rights"), to begin to be able to cope well enough with it.
My first posts on the subject were on the " Gingerbread" forum, and in about two weeks my argument generated a pretty huge response with about two hundred, (or was it two thousand comments). Some were supportive, one man saying he agreed contact with his "real/biological father" might have prevented others from abusing him, as was stated in a study carried out at Oxford University.
The main attacks came from one man, who if memory a rves me correctly was known as "Dave", (he chose to try to twist my words around and say I'd accused all stepfathers of being abusers, or him personally at least, which of course I hadn't at all, as I believe any man who can fulfill that role well deserved admiration, as I know I couldn't).
There we have it, there is a real problem because so many are prepared to believe such rubbish is true, or think themselves clever when putting forward a complete load of cross as fact to tool the rest of us, and in such torrents its hard to cope with even when you're hardened to it!
People who are fervently so attached to their opinion are quite often very much dis-attached from reality.Is it valid as some seem to try to do, to describe posts of other's opposing opinions on this web discussion board as "forcing" their positions on other members?
Though I abosultely share your feelings about womens' rights, just the words, "...policing the internet...." give me the heebs.The internet as a whole is used by many to impose their beliefs on others...be it religious or the current so-called 'woke' ideas. Too many impressionable people are influenced by this and I think our respective governments need to start policing the internet more efficiently. Instead of which, they are encouraging it. The world of sport and women's rights are being violated.
Have a friend here in the building, nice guy, be he is like Norm from Cheers, an opinion on everything. But with this guy, there is little wiggle room..he does not like other opinions, especially those not of his conservative world view. We were chatting yesterday, a few of us, and he was on his high horse about the shooting at the Tops supermarket up here , as t was racially motivated. And HIS opinion was not positive toward the VICTIMS...or blacks in general.
I choose not to engage, but I said I would respect his right to have that opinion, if he would respect MY opinion to not share it.
Interesting that he's described as a "Norm from Cheers" type character, (so really okay generally, and I believe that totally, or as totally as you can "reading a few words on an internet forum"!).It's best not to, will only frustrate you and expose yourself further to his disrespect.
Sorry to hear about the decline in civility among HAM radio operators. My Dad, who died in 1995, was a HAM. In 1988 the National Association flew him to a conference in Dallas because he was successful in recruiting young folks to it and they wanted him to talk about it. He never mentioned them loosening the license requirements but we generally had other things to talk about on visits.You are too kind, RadishRose. It's much worse close up. It's so bad, I have to squint when I shave or I get the shivers.
Back on the subject: I'm not a radio amateur. But, I've spent hours listening to them. It used to be that getting a license was not easy. You had to take a written test on theory and procedures and you had to be able to send and receive Morse code. Contacts were virtually all very polite and civil.
Then came Citizens Band radio and anybody could be on the air. The difference was dramatic. There was all kinds of garbage.
Sadly, in an effort to increase members, efforts were made to make it easier to obtain a ham license. And, civility has gone down even among hams. Nasty words and even jamming now sometimes occur.
I was on the internet before there were browsers, and you had to know a little programming language. There wasn't much content then, but forums like Usenet were pretty civil. But, that didn't last.
When I find I am in the presence of a racially prejudice person I do not trust them anymore. We break apart also when I find out someone is prejudice from someone, I lead them into a conservation to see if they really are then we split apart.blacks in general
We all have to try to be careful when stating generalities, or making assumptions that may not hold true in all circumstances.When I find I am in the presence of a racially prejudice person I do not trust them anymore. We break apart also when I find out someone is prejudice from someone, I lead them into a conservation to see if they really are then we split apart.
Cliff Clavin (the mailman) was more opinionated than Norm. Norm was probably the most amiable character in that show and was usually more focused on his next beer than anything else.Have a friend here in the building, nice guy, be he is like Norm from Cheers, an opinion on everything. But with this guy, there is little wiggle room..he does not like other opinions, especially those not of his conservative world view. We were chatting yesterday, a few of us, and he was on his high horse about the shooting at the Tops supermarket up here , as t was racially motivated. And HIS opinion was not positive toward the VICTIMS...or blacks in general.
I choose not to engage, but I said I would respect his right to have that opinion, if he would respect MY opinion to not share it.