Is this the kind of scenario that "Stand Your Ground" was intended to cover.

What worries me is that the case could be dismissed without a full examination of the details.
Then the dead man's family will have no legal redress in a civil court.
 
Warrigal said:
What worries me is that the case could be dismissed without a full examination of the details.
Then the dead man's family will have no legal redress in a civil court.
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All the B.S. aside, if it were me, or any other reasonable person, doing the texting so aggravating to the other guy, it simply should have been stopped. Points up the fact that the world today is filled with a$$hats more so, than ever before.

Not condoning shooting the guy, mind you. A swift kick to his groin would have sufficed, had not all those fixtures been in the way, imp
 

This is not actually a thread about the right to bear arms.

It is about a particular case under consideration now, and whether it is right that someone can kill another person because of fear and not even stand trial for the killing. How is a situation like this to be decided?
How can anyone know of the mind of the killer - fear? rage? hatred?
How do you tell the difference or is it simply enough to declare that "I was in fear of my life?" to have all criminal and future civil actions dismissed?
 
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What criminal?
The dead man was texting in a movie theatre.
Irritating but hardly a crime worthy of the death penalty.
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Come on, Dame! Twisting the context of my intent, and you know it! I'm talking about a lousy concept not connected with the account depicted herein. Lately, everyone is "baiting" me, it seems. :p Trying to break my code of civility, perhaps. Go on and try, I'm as sober as a judge! (urp). (excuse me). imp
 
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Come on, Dame! Twisting the context of my intent, and you know it! I'm talking about a lousy concept not connected with the account depicted herein. Lately, everyone is "baiting" me, it seems. :p Trying to break my code of civility, perhaps. Go on and try, I'm as sober as a judge! (urp). (excuse me). imp
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No I don't know it at all and I'm not intentionally twisting the context of your intent. Nor am I baiting you or anyone else. This is a serious thread.

That's not the issue, QS. The issue is a law requiring you to submit to the criminal. imp
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What law requires you to submit to the criminal? I would really like to know where this is the legal environment.

Over here one may lawfully act in your own self defence but the measure of force used must be proportionate to the level of threat, not the level of fear. You cannot kill someone who is simply stealing your goods if they are not threatening you with violence. For example, you cannot simply shoot someone who is running away from you even though to do so might get your diamond necklace back. You certainly can't shoot someone over a dispute about texting during a film.
 
I think there is a clash of cultures here. I see absolutely no evidence of baiting, merely sharp differences in opinion. Disagreement is not necessarily indicative of any intent to provoke anyone. That is a straw argument, and patronising in the extreme.
 
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I think there is a clash of cultures here. I see absolutely no evidence of baiting, merely sharp differences in opinion. Disagreement is not necessarily indicative of any intent to provoke anyone. That is a straw argument, and patronising in the extreme.
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That tends to be a trend around here.. Disagree... or argue your point and it's a personal attack.. Some folks haven't been around much... they have NO clue what an ACTUAL personal attack really is.. They ought to visit some forums where the personal attack is an art form.
 
QS, I have witnessed some of the verbal evisceration prevalent on some of these forums. Eek! Too extreme for my tastes. I don't enjoy having my heart ripped out by the roots and served up to me on toast. Lol.
 
The forum section that generates such aggression is one typically like "Current News & Hot Topics", which is why many forums do not allow such discussion...too much drama, flame-wars and sometimes litigation.

Here is an example of an image created in response to such aggression(strong language warning):

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tnthomas said:
The forum section that generates such aggression is one typically like "Current News & Hot Topics", which is why many forums do not allow such discussion...too much drama, flame-wars and sometimes litigation.

Here is an example of an image created in response to such aggression(strong language warning):

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Yet on the other hand... how long can ones interest be held by recipes and pictures of kitties? As has been said over and over.. this is a very tame "hot topics current event" section. If anyone is upset by what is talked about or how.. they really need to not venture into this section.. I'd leave if this section were removed.
 
For sure... This place is fuzzy puppies and gentle butterflies by comparison.

Definitely so, the moderators on some sites are asleep at the switch sometimes. A topic spirals so far out of control that there are actual flames popping out of the screen. Worse yet is when the moderator jumps into the argument against you. I've quit a site or three when that happens. I've probably shared it before but one of the worst was on a reading forum of all places. I posted a rainbow flag celebrating equal marriage being passed. One character posted a message so ugly you wanted to believe it was satire. But no he was dead serious. Then the moderator chimed in with his reasons for being against it. Okay I am in the wrong place...yikes, life is too short to hang out in nasty forums. This site is quite civil in comparison.
 
Well, back to the question -- I don't think the "stand your ground" issue is something we can resolve or agree on. After all, the best legal minds in the country cannot agree, and it very much depends on the way the laws in any particular state are written -- what's legal in one state may or may not be legal in another.
 
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All we can do is agree to disagree. On one of the minefield sites I will wander into a topic briefly. I just state my opinion and then support why I feel that way. Then I don't read responses because it doesn't matter. They can go back TO WRITING IN CAPS WHILE the Socialist Swine make fun of the Gun Toting Nutjobs...nothing is going to change the others perspective.
 

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