Israel Has Declared War after Unprecedented Hamas Attack

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Sorry, but if that is an attempt to compare the Jewish faith with the atrocities of Islam, it is tragically unfair, and please consider that Israel is largely a product of the holocaust and Jewish discrimination around the world. I am not Jewish, but I certainly understand their desire to return to their homeland and re-establish a state where they can live openly and in safety.
 
Jamala said:
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For the last 50 years, Israel has been forcing thousands of Palestinians off their land, occupying and illegally using it to create settlements that exclusively house Jewish Israeli settlers. Entire Palestinian communities have been displaced by these settlements.



Netanyahu tells the people of Gaza to get out… he is unleashing terror on them. Where will they go?

Israel has blockaded them, they have locked them in… so where is he telling them to go? Where?
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Al Jazeera isn't a non-biased news agency when it comes to something that involves the Middle East.

If it doesn't involve the Middle East, their reporting isn't as one-sided because it doesn't involve their personal interests.
 
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"IfNotNow, a progressive American Jewish group that opposes Israeli apartheid, said that while “we watch the unfolding horrors with heartbreak and dread for our loved ones ― Israelis and Palestinians alike” ― the attack by Palestinian freedom fighters was a result of decades of oppression.

We cannot and will not say today’s actions by Palestinian militants are unprovoked,” the group said in a statement on Saturday. “Every day under Israel’s system of apartheid is a provocation. The strangling siege on Gaza is a provocation. Settlers terrorizing entire Palestinian villages, soldiers raiding and demolishing Palestinian homes, murdering Palestinians in the streets, Israeli ministers calling for genocide and expulsion.”

Media Calls The Attack On Israel Unprovoked. Experts Say That’s Historically Inaccurate.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
"IfNotNow, a progressive American Jewish group that opposes Israeli apartheid, said that while “we watch the unfolding horrors with heartbreak and dread for our loved ones ― Israelis and Palestinians alike” ― the attack by Palestinian freedom fighters was a result of decades of oppression.

We cannot and will not say today’s actions by Palestinian militants are unprovoked,” the group said in a statement on Saturday. “Every day under Israel’s system of apartheid is a provocation. The strangling siege on Gaza is a provocation. Settlers terrorizing entire Palestinian villages, soldiers raiding and demolishing Palestinian homes, murdering Palestinians in the streets, Israeli ministers calling for genocide and expulsion.”

Media Calls The Attack On Israel Unprovoked. Experts Say That’s Historically Inaccurate.
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As soon as a group refers to Hazbola and Hamas as "freedom fighters " I know where that group stands. This group of "progressive American Jews " should be ignored and reviled. I call them "Self hating Jews " . JimB.
 
My prayers are with Israel

Anyone siding with the goat raping militant terrorists killing and kidnapping innocent civilians, women and children ... I see the same as condoning and supporting those who flew into the towers on 9/11. I remember the CNN tape of those bastards celebrating in the streets and handing out candy to children when the twin towers were falling. This is before Arafat convinced CNN to hide the tape on pain of death. I saw it live, as they shot it, never to be seen again.

There's a lot of videos on social media, and a large number of civilians are being murdered. Cold blooded murder. I'm not talking about people aimlessly walking around and their head catches some debris from a building collapse as a result of a detonation. Oh no ... I'm talking about going into homes, and shooting the residents. Walking around the street and picking off shoppers with their daily goods. Storming social venues and killing all those there. There's even been a few videos of Israeli women, blood staining their clothing around their *******s, with Palestinian men cheering, pulling and pushing as she's passed around, very, very sick mindset shown in full-display.

2 million people in Gaza, conquer it and raze it. Time to release FAFO level 5. Let the other Arab countries take in the Palestinians ... but no, they are more useful as pawns.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
"IfNotNow, a progressive American Jewish group that opposes Israeli apartheid, said that while “we watch the unfolding horrors with heartbreak and dread for our loved ones ― Israelis and Palestinians alike” ― the attack by Palestinian freedom fighters was a result of decades of oppression.

We cannot and will not say today’s actions by Palestinian militants are unprovoked,” the group said in a statement on Saturday. “Every day under Israel’s system of apartheid is a provocation. The strangling siege on Gaza is a provocation. Settlers terrorizing entire Palestinian villages, soldiers raiding and demolishing Palestinian homes, murdering Palestinians in the streets, Israeli ministers calling for genocide and expulsion.”

Media Calls The Attack On Israel Unprovoked. Experts Say That’s Historically Inaccurate.
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IMO, “Progressive” is one of the most misused words in American politics.
 
At least 260 bodies have been found by rescuers after Hamas opened fire on Israeli partygoers at a music festival near the Gaza Strip yesterday morning, with emergency workers calling the scene a 'massacre'.

Terrified festivalgoers first realised something was wrong when a siren began blaring at dawn warning of rockets. Hamas terrorists then cut the electricity before firing rockets and blasting gunshots from jeeps they drove onto the site.

Yesterday Israel suffered its deadliest attack in decades, as Hamas rampaged through the country's towns reportedly killing 700 people and abducting dozens more.

A senior Hamas official said tonight that the militant group is holding more than 100 people captive following its attack on Israel. In the last 24 hours fierce fighting has broken out killing and wounding thousands of people on both sides.

The Israeli rescue service Zaka tonight said at least 260 bodies have been removed from the festival site.

Music lovers attending the Supernova Festival were amongst those targeted, with Palestinian militants storming onto the site of the all-night trance music rave near Kibbutz Re'im, close to the Gaza Strip, as part of its surprise attack.

Yaniv, an emergency worker who was amongst those medics who raced to the scene told public broadcaster Kan News he saw 'at least 200 bodies of Israelis in the area'.

He said: 'There are at least 200 bodies of Israelis in the area I was in. It was a massacre.

'I've never seen anything like it in my life. It was a planned ambush. As people came out of the emergency exits, squads of terrorists were waiting for them there and just started picking them off.'

Video footage shows the terrified youngsters, mostly in their 20s and 30s, fleeing on foot over the sand to their cars, screaming as shots are fired. Some are seen holding hands as they run away while others shout 'go, go, go'.

One partygoer named Ortel said the rockets fired were quickly followed by gunshots being fired from jeeps full of gunmen.

She told the BBC: 'They turned off the electricity and suddenly out of nowhere they [militants] come inside with gunfire, opening fire in every direction.

'Fifty terrorists arrived in vans, dressed in military uniforms. They fired bursts, and we reached a point where everyone stopped their vehicles and started running.'
Israeli medic reveals horror of seeing '200 bodies' at festival
 
The Hamas leader behind the deadliest attack on Israel watched and celebrated the invasion from the safety of his Qatar office.

Ismail Haniyeh was spotted with other Hamas officials cheering for joy before they prostrated themselves on the floor and praised God.

It came as the terrorist group launched the single deadliest attack ever launched against Israel - which the Jewish state has claimed is 'our 9/11'.

Israeli media said at least 700 people were killed and 2,000 wounded in Saturday's attack.

US secretary of state Antony Blinken said as many as 1,000 Hamas fighters were involved in the assault, a high figure that underscored the extent of planning by the militant group ruling Gaza.
The gunmen rampaged for hours, gunning down civilians in towns, along roads and at a techno music festival being held in the desert near Gaza.

Hamas fighters have also taken an unknown number of civilians and soldiers captive into Gaza.

Haniyeh has emerged as the public's face behind Saturday's attack.

He gave a speech hailing the killings as the beginning of a new era in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

He said: 'Enough is enough, the cycle of intifadas and revolutions in the battle to liberate our Palestinian land and our prisoners languishing in occupation prisons must be completed.'

The terror chief also hinted that further violence was coming to Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank.
 
Senior members of Iran-backed militant group Hezbollah claimed that Hamas' surprise attack on Israel that killed at least 600 people was given the green light by Iranian security officials.

Hamas plotted the air, land and sea invasions with help from officers of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps

The official go-ahead for the attack was allegedly given at a Monday meeting in Beirut.

Four other Iranian backed military groups were believed to be at the meeting, including members of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken claims he has 'not yet seen evidence' that Iran was involved in the attack.
Iran helped plan Hamas' surprise attack on Israel
 
Israel had a secure border but even so, they were attacked. Our border is not secure. We have been letting millions in and just because of the numbers it's likely that sleeper cells have entered the US.
Hamas planned this attack for a long time just as the 911 attackers did, some of which was right under our noses.
I will not be surprised to see an attack from within in this country. I won't sit around in panic mode but I believe we should keep our eyes and ears open........and pray.
 
Jamala said:
So you spent time in Israel and do not know the history of the displaced Palestinians????
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I will not get into a discussion with you. Nothing I would say will change your mind and you will only continue to attack points of view as you have throughout this thread and call members who don't agree with you, uneducated. I know where you stand and I do not respect your opinion. Yours is a narrow blinder view of about two millenniums of history in the region.
 
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hollydolly said:
Why has this started again?... I didn't even know this was bubbling up again... anyone know ?
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I don't think the bubbling has ever really died down since the creation of modern day Israel by the UN in 1948. When the modern state of Israel was created, the surrounding Muslim countries said the Jewish state of Israel had no right to exist and they organized and attacked Israel. And they have been lobbing rockets into Israel ever since. Israel has responded with more or less force over the years sometimes by taking some Muslim territory and occupying it and sometimes giving it back in peace agreements that never lasted. In 2005 Israel disengaged from Gaza and withdrew Israeli military forces and turned it over to the Muslims. The result is the current attack on Israel by the Gaza Muslim ruling class called Hamas.
 
Jamala said:
Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank is putting in peril the viability of a two-state solution and destroying any chance for peace in the Middle East.

By legalizing dozens of settlements in the West Bank, successive Israeli governments have created an insurmountable obstacle to the two-state solution and the Palestinian dream of an independent sovereign state based on the 1967 borders.

The settlements pose a number of direct challenges to the establishment of a Palestinian state by violating Palestinian sovereignty, threatening civil peace and security, jeopardizing water resources, and blocking agricultural development.

In 2022, the West Bank had about 199 settlements and 220 outposts, and as of 2021, the area of the Israeli settlements was about 201.1 square kilometers, representing 3.6 percent of the total area of the West Bank.

According to Israeli classification, 542 square kilometers, or 9.6 percent of the West Bank, is part of Israel’s sovereign territory and is labeled “settlement areas of influence.”

By building settlements and outposts on what is geographically recognized as Palestinian land, Israel undermines Palestinian sovereignty and preemptively bifurcates any future Palestinian state by limiting its urban development.

The Israeli separation wall that protects the settlements and their network of roads divided the West Bank into three major Palestinian population blocs: the north, which includes Nablus, Jenin, and Tulkarm; the center, which includes Ramallah and Al-Bireh; and the south, which includes Hebron and Bethlehem.

These three blocks are, in turn, divided into six cantons that comprise some 68 ghettos, all under the control of the Israeli army. These divisions prevent the southern urban contiguity of the Ramallah and al-Bireh governorate and the northern contiguity of the Bethlehem governorate.

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However harsh, complex, and sometimes cruel the history of this region is, you can't believe any of it justifies the atrocities we're seeing and hearing about, though.

Especially the horrors perpetrated against children. And for that matter, many of the women who were viciously attacked and their bodies publicly desecrated weren't even old enough to have first-hand knowledge of most of the issues behind Hamas's attack.

This isn't a military action by any stretch. It's minimally political. It's pure evil hatred of the Israeli people.
 
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Jamala said:
I challenge the concept that you know more than I.... from your writing I can see you do not.
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I thought my writing was clear. Perhaps you need to reevaluate your reading skills.
I will not get into a discussion with you and needlessly incur you continuing belittling of members.
"Bold"ly rant and yell all you like ma'am :)

The 1967 Six-Day War, Jordan along with several other Arab states launched an attack on Israel, they got their asses handed to them big time. After that, Jordan largely stayed out of future conflicts, instead working to maintain cordial relations with Israel while taking in Palestinian refuges that the other Arab states refused. Keep in mind, King Abdullah II of Jordan married a Caucasian Brit, his children are all educated in Western schools and have extensive ties to Western militaries, to include deep relationships with the US. Over the course of the GWOT, many operations into Iraq & Syria were launched from Jordan.

1973 The Yom Kippur War was Egypt launching a massive attack crossing the Sinai to secure losses from prior conflicts. Early success by Egyptian forces bolstered other Arab states to throw-in their support to include the Soviets, which led to the US pouring in material support to Israel. Israel rebounded, recovered the Sinai from the initial offensive, however as part of the peace negotiations (camp David Accords 1979), they returned it back to Egypt provided a UN security presence was there to separate things; think border of Cypress and DMZ on Korea Peninsula. A US brigade/battalion would rotate through their area being part of the peacekeeping forces ever since, plenty of stories on podcasts/interviews about how those deployments went.

Today, Egypt and Jordan have friendly working relations with Israel, after 40-years of getting their asses kicked, they'd had enough. For all the cheerleading and fiery talk from the Gulf States, the realty is that Jordan and Egypt were taking the brunt of both the losses and the refuges. Both Egypt and Jordan have massive Palestinian refugee camps where resettlement and integration into those countries is kept at arms-length, provided Gulf State capitol keeps flowing in. The camps are major recruiting grounds for the latest strain of Islamo-terrorism while providing plenty of PR imagery for the international anti-Israel effort, this has in-turned created political efforts within those country's, who's sole platform is the elimination of Israel.

And the USS Ford carrier strike group is being deployed to the eastern Med.
 
seadoug said:
From today's news:

The USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier was deployed to the eastern Mediterranean Sea as Israel continued its offensive against Hamas, US defense officials said Sunday.

Accompanying the aircraft carrier will be a strike group of warships as well as Air Force F-35, F-15, F-16, and A-10 fighter aircraft squadrons, according to The Pentagon.

Navy deploys warships to Mediterranean Sea near Israel following Hamas attack
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I just hope people keep in mind that this is action against a group of terrorists, and not the Palestinian people.
 
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