Israel Has Declared War after Unprecedented Hamas Attack

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No future warnings will be required and warnings moot, if Israel just continues to fire until the threat no longer exists. Israel IS protecting their citizens and WILL continue to do so.

Maybe the Palestinians in Gaza should wake one morning and say, "Damn Bob, this isn't working. Maybe we should get rid of Hamas ourselves and try something else."
 
No, ad hominem attacks are against this forums rules, but apparently some people can't talk about the subject without attacking the person. You should be ashamed. As far as all the warnings over the years, it is constant, and usually taken seriously. Why not protect the citizens if this attack by Hamas will be the worst in Israel's history. It makes no sense.

By the way I didn't post this breaking news first. I guess you will include the original poster in your name calling also?
lol - and this is how we know I touched a nerve - I responded to your POST, and you get your panties in a knot about "personal attacks". Pointing out the bias of your posts is not name calling. Feel free to report my post to Admin if you think it violates TOS.

But I will apologize if my posts made you uncomfortable because they are true.
 
No future warnings will be required and warnings moot, if Israel just continues to fire until the threat no longer exists. Israel IS protecting their citizens and WILL continue to do so.

Maybe the Palestinians in Gaza should wake one morning and say, "Damn Bob, this isn't working. Maybe we should get rid of Hamas ourselves and try something else."
Maybe the Palestinians in Gaza should wake one morning and say, "Damn Bob, this isn't working. Maybe we should get rid of Hamas ourselves and try something else."
Exactly.
 
No, ad hominem attacks are against this forums rules, but apparently some people can't talk about the subject without attacking the person.
Perhaps there are some who choose their words purposely to incite... knowing full well what the response will likely be. Perhaps there are some who start threads knowing full well what it will deteriorate into because of the words chosen. (Not this thread, of course.) And perhaps there are some who give an air of timid passivity on the surface but others can see what's underneath that surface and as soon as someone disagrees, there are shouts of "I'm being attacked!"

Listen... what's that? 🎶🎵🎼 Do I hear John Lennon? "All we are saying is give peace a chance, all we are saying is give peace a chance...." Hey John... Israel and most of the world HAVE given them a chance over and over again and were turned down repeatedly.
 
Islam has its own laws, laws that take precedence over any local laws. These laws are administered by Sharia courts and are largely, but not entirely, aimed at the conduct of women.

“Today, UK has over 130 Sharia law courts. Although they technically lie within the UK's Tribunal Court system, these Sharia courts have been issuing rulings that contradict UK's common law.
In 2011, UK's Muslims began demanding that Sharia law replace British common law and become the only law in towns with large Muslim populations, including Birmingham, Bradford, Derby, Dewsbury, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Luton, Manchester, Sheffield, Waltham Forest and Tower Hamlets, an East London Muslim enclave whose streets are already plastered with posters declaring, "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone: Islamic rules enforced" (below) and where Muslim imams have issued death threats to women who refuse to wear the Hijab
Sharia Law In UK — Current Status of Islam's Sharia Law in the United Kingdom
This ☝️ is absolutely not true!
 
Perhaps there are some who choose their words purposely to incite... knowing full well what the response will likely be. Perhaps there are some who start threads knowing full well what it will deteriorate into because of the words chosen. (Not this thread, of course.) And perhaps there are some who give an air of timid passivity on the surface but others can see what's underneath that surface and as soon as someone disagrees, there are shouts of "I'm being attacked!"

Listen... what's that? 🎶🎵🎼 Do I hear John Lennon? "All we are saying is give peace a chance, all we are saying is give peace a chance...." Hey John... Israel and most of the world HAVE given them a chance over and over again and were turned down repeatedly.
Perhaps. That is all personal and subjective assumptions. Could we keep to the subject please.
 
Perhaps. That is all personal and subjective assumptions. Could we keep to the subject please.
Are you SCOLDING me for voicing my thoughts and opinions??? :mad: Oh, that doesn't go over very well with me at all. Not much better than saying "stfu" is it? If you really want to talk about "subjective assumptions".... uh, well no, then we'd have to start naming names and move it over to the inciteful thread that was started, wouldn't we... and I'd rather not do that.

If you're sincere about wanting to stay on subject and everyone hugging instead of discussing things lest someone get their sensibilities offended, then perhaps you may want to consider not posting all the highly controversial videos and articles. Now there's a thought.
 
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Are you SCOLDING me for voicing my thoughts and opinions??? :mad: Oh, that doesn't go over very well with me at all. Not much better than saying "stfu" is it? If you really want to talk about "subjective assumptions".... uh, well no, then we'd have to start naming names and move it over to the inciteful thread that was started, wouldn't we... and I'd rather not do that.

If you're sincere about wanting to stay on subject and everyone hugging instead of discussing things lest someone get their sensibilities offended, then perhaps you may want to consider not posting all the highly controversial videos and articles. Now there's a thought.
I have never posted a thread to be inciteful. I post subject matter that has a different view point. If you are incited what can I do. Thousands of people are not offended or feel incited by these subjects. It is entirely subjective that I am being accused of this. Stop it. Or are some people above following the forum rules of attacking people personally?

Please follow your own advice "
you may want to consider not posting all the highly controversial videos and articles."
 
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As part of its strategy to mitigate criticism over the high civilian death toll, the Israeli military on Friday morning published a map online dividing the 140-square-mile Gaza Strip into hundreds of blocks.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it would announce the number of each block before targeting as a way to alert people in those areas to evacuate.

Not sure how effective this strategy is to attaining a goal of totally destroying Hamas. The moment you announce what block or blocks you're bombing, the terrorists are obviously going to evacuate that area. At some point Israel is going to have to devise a mechanism to accurately separate the wheat from the chaff. Sounds like an impossibility.

By Palestinian inaction to remove Hamas I've reached the conclusion most adults living in Palestine are either Hamas or support them. They have made their choice. They made that choice of their own free will in 2005 and that is their choice today.
 
Let me amend that: when someone wants to wipe you off the face of the earth and has made moves to do that, you have just cause to fight back.

I also believe the two-state solution was proposed years ago, but the Palestinians declined it.

AND, I think that when someone calls you "islamophobic", it's an attempt to shut you up.
Back in 1993, Yasser Arafat did agree to it, signed his name along with Rabin and one other guy (can't remember his name) on the Oslo Accord Accord and it languished, ostensibly because Israel didn't want to talk about refugees languishing in refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon, being able to come back to their homes. There's so many issues involved with all of this isn't there?
 
As part of its strategy to mitigate criticism over the high civilian death toll, the Israeli military on Friday morning published a map online dividing the 140-square-mile Gaza Strip into hundreds of blocks.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it would announce the number of each block before targeting as a way to alert people in those areas to evacuate.

Not sure how effective this strategy is to attaining a goal of totally destroying Hamas. The moment you announce what block or blocks you're bombing, the terrorists are obviously going to evacuate that area. At some point Israel is going to have to devise a mechanism to accurately separate the wheat from the chaff. Sounds like an impossibility.

By Palestinian inaction to remove Hamas I've reached the conclusion most adults living in Palestine are either Hamas or support them. They have made their choice. They made that choice of their own free will in 2005 and that is their choice today.
Just out of curiosity, seeing as how there's no internet in Gaza and I'm guessing that phones are fewer and further between than ever, and civilians are running and hiding to try and save their lives, how exactly does Israel propose that people in those 'blocks' will know that they are the next target?

I know you won't personally have an inside scoop on what that military thinks will happen, but just putting that question out there. Seems completely unreasonable.
 
Just out of curiosity, seeing as how there's no internet in Gaza and I'm guessing that phones are fewer and further between than ever, and civilians are running and hiding to try and save their lives, how exactly does Israel propose that people in those 'blocks' will know that they are the next target?

I know you won't personally have an inside scoop on what that military thinks will happen, but just putting that question out there. Seems completely unreasonable.

Well, Israel has dropped leaflets in the past over Gaza to inform Gaza residents of their intentions.
 
Just out of curiosity, seeing as how there's no internet in Gaza and I'm guessing that phones are fewer and further between than ever, and civilians are running and hiding to try and save their lives, how exactly does Israel propose that people in those 'blocks' will know that they are the next target?

I know you won't personally have an inside scoop on what that military thinks will happen, but just putting that question out there. Seems completely unreasonable.
Certainly Hamas could notify them, but I doubt that they will since increasing the body count of Palestinians is a part of their strategy
 
This ☝️ is absolutely not true!
I gather you are referring to Sharia courts in the Uk. Ok, I agree using Billion Bibles as a source was unwise, and may well be untrue, but I could use others …

“One piece of research from the University of Reading has identified 30 major councils, and some smaller ones, providing these services.
An estimate of "85 at least" was given in a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas. It was repeated in an interview in the Telegraph with Baroness Cox in April 2014.
The UKIP leader Nigel Farage mentioned a figure of 80 on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme in January 2015. UKIP told us that he got his number from the Telegraph article.
But the Civitas estimate includes online forums and admits that the actual number is "indeterminate".”
The UK's Sharia 'courts' - Full Fact

Which number is correct? I don’t know, but does the UK have Islamic issues? That seems certain. For instance …

“Muslim Women and Forced Marriages in the UK”​

https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...amed/d0e30160b0cd85bf580ac639eebe0acf510e8d6c
 
I gather you are referring to Sharia courts in the Uk. Ok, I agree using Billion Bibles as a source was unwise, and may well be untrue, but I could use others …

“One piece of research from the University of Reading has identified 30 major councils, and some smaller ones, providing these services.
An estimate of "85 at least" was given in a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas. It was repeated in an interview in the Telegraph with Baroness Cox in April 2014.
The UKIP leader Nigel Farage mentioned a figure of 80 on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme in January 2015. UKIP told us that he got his number from the Telegraph article.
But the Civitas estimate includes online forums and admits that the actual number is "indeterminate".”
The UK's Sharia 'courts' - Full Fact

Which number is correct? I don’t know, but does the UK have Islamic issues? That seems certain. For instance …

“Muslim Women and Forced Marriages in the UK”​

https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...amed/d0e30160b0cd85bf580ac639eebe0acf510e8d6c

No, you don't know, on that we can agree.
 
NYT Oslo Accords

I'm posting this moderated conversation w 6 panelists w a wide range of viewpoints and experience so that any of you that are actually serious about understanding what happened and why should spend some time w it. I promise you'll learn something. The time line starts in 1947, but obviously this piece of ground was an issue 100's of years before that.

Please don't over look the comments from readers of the NYT and replies from the staff. They are often equally or more insightful than the articles themselves.

The Panelists:

Omar Dajani is a professor at the McGeorge School of Law at the University of the Pacific. From 1999 to 2001, he served as a legal adviser to the Palestinian negotiating team in peace talks with Israel, participating in the summits at Camp David and Taba. He currently sits on the board of A Land for All, an Israeli-Palestinian peace group.

Dana El Kurd is an assistant professor at the University of Richmond and author of ‘‘Polarized and Demobilized: Legacies of Authoritarianism in Palestine.’’ She is also a nonresident senior fellow at the Arab Center Washington D.C.

Efraim Inbar is president of the Jerusalem Institute for Strategy and Security and head of the program in strategy, diplomacy and security at Shalem College in Jerusalem. He was a professor of political studies at Bar-Ilan University and the founding director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies. He is the author of ‘‘Rabin and Israel’s National Security,’’ published in 1999.

Daniel Kurtzer was the United States ambassador to Egypt from 1997 to 2001 and the ambassador to Israel from 2001 to 2005. He is a professor at Princeton University’s School of Public and International Affairs.

Avishai Margalit is a professor emeritus at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. He was the George Kennan Professor at the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton from 2006 to 2011. He is a member of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities and a senior research fellow at the Van Leer Jerusalem Institute.

Khalil Shikaki is a professor of political science, director of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah and a senior fellow at the Crown Center for Middle East Studies at Brandeis University. Since 1993, he has conducted more than 200 polls among Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and, since 2000, dozens of joint polls among Palestinians and Israelis.

Limor Yehuda is a lecturer at the faculty of law at the Hebrew University and a research fellow at Haifa University and the Van Leer Jerusalem Institute. She is also the author of the recent book ‘‘Collective Equality: Democracy and Human Rights in Ethno-National Conflicts’’ and a founder of the Israeli-Palestinian peace group A Land for All.

Emily Bazelon, a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, moderated the discussion.
 
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I have a question. Where is the outrage over the 10k civilians (many women and children) that have been killed since Russia's attack on Ukraine? Where are the big long threads with pearl-clutching indignation about THOSE children? I wasn't here at the start of that war, so maybe there *were* some threads with the same degree of outrage? What's the difference? A child of one nationality is more worthy of being championed? I have seen NO "stop Russia, stop them now! They're killing women and children!"
 
I have a question. Where is the outrage over the 10k civilians (many women and children) that have been killed since Russia's attack on Ukraine? Where are the big long threads with pearl-clutching indignation about THOSE children? I wasn't here at the start of that war, so maybe there *were* some threads with the same degree of outrage? What's the difference? A child of one nationality is more worthy of being championed? I have seen NO "stop Russia, stop them now! They're killing women and children!"
I believe there were but on Oct 7th the paid and perpetual protesters joined the new bandwagon.
 
NYT Oslo Accords
I'm posting this moderated conversation w 6 panelists w a wide range of viewpoints and experience so that any of you that are actually serious about understanding what happened and why should spend some time w it. I promisie you'll learn something. The time line starts in 1947, but obviously this piece of ground was an issue 100's of years before that.

Sorry, but I am not going to get into a debate about the founding of Israel. Jews pre-date Islam in the Middle East, thus it is not surprising that they attempted to return there after the attempt to eradicate them in Europe. I am not Jewish, but when I look at the work of Jewish scholars and the large number of Nobel prizes awarded to Jews I admire their contribution to humanity.
 
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