It is important to note that Iran has responded targeting Israel's civilians in highly populated areas, not just military bases. Their goal is the same as always and that is to maximize Israeli civilian causalities. They intend to destroy Israel completely, which is what from the river to the sea means. Also note that Israel is only targeting Iran nuclear and some military sites, no civilian neighborhoods.
Israel Strikes Iran's Nuclear Facilities
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Teacher Terry
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If I lived in Israel and was a citizen of any other country, I would definitely have left after the last attacks when so many people were murdered and taken hostage.In fact, I do know some people that did leave and return to the United States. Why anyone would choose to live under the constant fear of death and war if you don’t have to is beyond me.
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yes I agree with no staying in a war torn country , but when you say ''you don't have to''... lots of people have little choice , they have to work, there are countries that won't allow them to necessarily seek safety, and or not have the work available etc.. for them... they could be unable to speak another language and afraid to move.. they could be old... all sorts of reasons that means people will often stay with the devil they know than the devil they don't...
ETA just re-read your post which said ''if a citizen of another country''...so in that I absolutely agree !
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What kind of war planes is Israel flying? They have made some remarkable raids. Their pilots seem to be top notch.
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Stop that! There is always hope, even in the darkest times.
Nathan
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You have to admit- the "tit for tat" violence only becomes more escalated, not a great recipe for peace in the Middle East.
MACKTEXAS
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The possibility of Bible prophecy unfolding would never shake my hope.
The same thing was said about Hitler and WW2. Unfortunately this is a scenario that mankind seems hellbent to repeat.
I think that they use our F-15s & 16s with slight mods and use them for bombers.
Also, some French Mirages... which I know nothing about.
I'm sure that google and Wiki keep current tabs... Jane's, too.
*Edit: List of aircraft of the Israeli Air Force - (Wiki)
Also, some French Mirages... which I know nothing about.
I'm sure that google and Wiki keep current tabs... Jane's, too.
*Edit: List of aircraft of the Israeli Air Force - (Wiki)
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JustDave
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Maybe 20 or 30 years ago, I can't remember, Israel bombed a site in Iran, which they claimed was making a nuclear weapon. It turned out that Iran was doing that. That may have been the beginning of their nuclear program. Before that, I had no idea that Iran was working on such a thing.
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Humans like to kill each other. It is unique in all the thousands of species. I suspect that eventually Israel and Iran will wipe each other out with the death of millions.
I also suspect that the China/Russia alliance will eventually make nuclear war on the US and hundreds of millions will die in that war.
The human species will eventually commit suicide with all humans gone forever.
Human history is written in blood. No other species I know of has this tendency to kill its own members.
I also suspect that the China/Russia alliance will eventually make nuclear war on the US and hundreds of millions will die in that war.
The human species will eventually commit suicide with all humans gone forever.
Human history is written in blood. No other species I know of has this tendency to kill its own members.
That was in Iraq, in 1981.
Over 100 missiles fired at Israel including Tel Aviv and possible direct hit on IDF HQ.
IDF headquarters hit by Iranian missile attack as Islamic Republic launches barrage of missiles at Tel Aviv
Some serious targeting going. Might not be all satellites. Both countries probably have spotters on the ground that may be pointing at targets with lasers. Iran's military buildings were very strategically hit as well.
Hopefully civilian damage at a minimum
IDF headquarters hit by Iranian missile attack as Islamic Republic launches barrage of missiles at Tel Aviv
Some serious targeting going. Might not be all satellites. Both countries probably have spotters on the ground that may be pointing at targets with lasers. Iran's military buildings were very strategically hit as well.
Hopefully civilian damage at a minimum
hollydolly
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Months, if not years in the planning, it was the most devastating attack on Iranian soil for nearly half a century.
A perfect fusion of high-grade conventional capabilities, human ingenuity and the latest advances in military technologies.
Outcome: Iran’s nuclear-enrichment programme set back, dozens of air-defence systems wiped out and leading nuclear scientists and military commanders killed.
Israels' primary aim was to degrade Iran’s nuclear-enrichment capabilities. But a political agenda was also emerging yesterday, as regime change in Tehran appeared a distinct possibility.
At around 1am UK time about 200 Israeli military aircraft took off from bases inside the country. But by then much of the painstaking work had already been done, entirely in secret.
The ground had been laid some time ago by Mossad agents and Israeli special forces who infiltrated Iran, smuggled weapons into the country and prepared drones ahead of what Israel named Operation Rising Lion.
With only hours to go, the Israeli government informed the White House that the mission was going ahead, despite US and Iranian officials having arranged to hold talks on Sunday about descaling Iran’s nuclear-enrichment programme.
This warning allowed US diplomats and their families posted to the region to take additional security precautions.
Israel’s hand was also strengthened by the announcement, only days earlier, by the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog that, for the first time in two decades, Iran was refusing to work with inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Iran’s dismissive response to their pronouncement was to indicate it would establish a third nuclear-enrichment site and install more advanced centrifuges – a move which appeared to have sealed the country’s fate.
First reports of Israeli airstrikes emerged in northern Tehran: an explosion in the residential area of Nobonyad.
Details remained scant yesterday, but some reports indicated this may have been where some of the country’s leading nuclear scientists lived.
Subsequently, the Iranian government confirmed the deaths of a number of academics: Fereydoun Abbasi, former head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organisation, Dr Mohammed Mehdi Tehranchi, president of the Islamic Azad University of Tehran, and Abdolhamid Minouchehr, Ahmad Zolfaghari and Amirhossein Feqhi, from Tehran’s Shahid Behesti University.
A perfect fusion of high-grade conventional capabilities, human ingenuity and the latest advances in military technologies.
Outcome: Iran’s nuclear-enrichment programme set back, dozens of air-defence systems wiped out and leading nuclear scientists and military commanders killed.
Israels' primary aim was to degrade Iran’s nuclear-enrichment capabilities. But a political agenda was also emerging yesterday, as regime change in Tehran appeared a distinct possibility.
At around 1am UK time about 200 Israeli military aircraft took off from bases inside the country. But by then much of the painstaking work had already been done, entirely in secret.
The ground had been laid some time ago by Mossad agents and Israeli special forces who infiltrated Iran, smuggled weapons into the country and prepared drones ahead of what Israel named Operation Rising Lion.
With only hours to go, the Israeli government informed the White House that the mission was going ahead, despite US and Iranian officials having arranged to hold talks on Sunday about descaling Iran’s nuclear-enrichment programme.
This warning allowed US diplomats and their families posted to the region to take additional security precautions.
Israel’s hand was also strengthened by the announcement, only days earlier, by the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog that, for the first time in two decades, Iran was refusing to work with inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Iran’s dismissive response to their pronouncement was to indicate it would establish a third nuclear-enrichment site and install more advanced centrifuges – a move which appeared to have sealed the country’s fate.
First reports of Israeli airstrikes emerged in northern Tehran: an explosion in the residential area of Nobonyad.
Details remained scant yesterday, but some reports indicated this may have been where some of the country’s leading nuclear scientists lived.
Subsequently, the Iranian government confirmed the deaths of a number of academics: Fereydoun Abbasi, former head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organisation, Dr Mohammed Mehdi Tehranchi, president of the Islamic Azad University of Tehran, and Abdolhamid Minouchehr, Ahmad Zolfaghari and Amirhossein Feqhi, from Tehran’s Shahid Behesti University.
hollydolly
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Meanwhile, deep in the deserts of central and western Iran, Israeli special forces troops released swarms of drones which targeted radar facilities and surface-to-air missile capabilities – the military hardware an Iranian response to Israel’s attacks would rely on.
Israel is expert in such clandestine operations. Even so, the methodology represented a ‘hat-tip’ to Ukraine, which is understood to secretly exchange ‘tactics, techniques and procedures’ (TTPs), in military vernacular, with Israel.
The rationale for that cooperation from Israel’s perspective is it supports Ukraine – though it does not publicise that support – because Iran supplies Russia with thousands of drones.
With so many layers of Iran’s defences destroyed, Israeli jets focused on their main target, the centrepiece of Iran’s nuclear-enrichment programme, the Natanz atomic facility in Ishfahan province, 140 miles south of Tehran.
The IDF (Israel Defence Forces) and the International Atomic Energy Authority confirmed damage to the multi-storey enrichment hall where the nuclear centrifuges are housed.
Natanz has tens of thousands of centrifuges and significantly contributes towards Iran’s highly enriched uranium stockpile.
The IDF also targeted infrastructure at the site which, in its words, ‘enables the continuous functioning and the continued advancement of the Iranian regime’s project to obtain nuclear weapons’.
Crucially, the Bushehr nuclear power plant was left unscathed. This ensured there was no increase in radiation levels.
This was by no means the first Israeli strike on Natanz.
It was the target of a major cyber attack in 2010 and a guerrilla-warfare style attack in 2020, when explosives were hidden inside one of the buildings.
As many as ten strikes were reported at Tabriz airport and a nearby oil refinery in north-west Iran. A long column of black smoke was seen rising from the airport. Three people were reported dead in the city itself.
Israel also struck dozens of radar installations in western Iran, probably by means of special forces troops approaching the sites on foot, assembling miniature kamikaze drones and setting them off towards these military facilities. Operating at such short range, these drones evaded Iran’s limited surveillance capabilities.
Explosions were also reported at the Nojeh airbase in Hamedan, western Iran. A number of senior Iranian military officers were also said to have been killed when they convened for what they thought was a secret meeting to plan pre-emptive strikes on Israel.
The venue was chosen for its protection, a bunker deep underground. But, according to reports, the bunker was not deep enough, as an Israeli warhead penetrated the basement.
Meanwhile, deep in the deserts of central and western Iran, Israeli special forces troops released swarms of drones which targeted radar facilities and surface-to-air missile capabilities – the military hardware an Iranian response to Israel’s attacks would rely on.
Israel is expert in such clandestine operations. Even so, the methodology represented a ‘hat-tip’ to Ukraine, which is understood to secretly exchange ‘tactics, techniques and procedures’ (TTPs), in military vernacular, with Israel.
The rationale for that cooperation from Israel’s perspective is it supports Ukraine – though it does not publicise that support – because Iran supplies Russia with thousands of drones.
With so many layers of Iran’s defences destroyed, Israeli jets focused on their main target, the centrepiece of Iran’s nuclear-enrichment programme, the Natanz atomic facility in Ishfahan province, 140 miles south of Tehran.
The IDF (Israel Defence Forces) and the International Atomic Energy Authority confirmed damage to the multi-storey enrichment hall where the nuclear centrifuges are housed.
Natanz has tens of thousands of centrifuges and significantly contributes towards Iran’s highly enriched uranium stockpile.
The IDF also targeted infrastructure at the site which, in its words, ‘enables the continuous functioning and the continued advancement of the Iranian regime’s project to obtain nuclear weapons’.
Crucially, the Bushehr nuclear power plant was left unscathed. This ensured there was no increase in radiation levels.
This was by no means the first Israeli strike on Natanz.
It was the target of a major cyber attack in 2010 and a guerrilla-warfare style attack in 2020, when explosives were hidden inside one of the buildings.
As many as ten strikes were reported at Tabriz airport and a nearby oil refinery in north-west Iran. A long column of black smoke was seen rising from the airport. Three people were reported dead in the city itself.
Israel also struck dozens of radar installations in western Iran, probably by means of special forces troops approaching the sites on foot, assembling miniature kamikaze drones and setting them off towards these military facilities. Operating at such short range, these drones evaded Iran’s limited surveillance capabilities.
Explosions were also reported at the Nojeh airbase in Hamedan, western Iran. A number of senior Iranian military officers were also said to have been killed when they convened for what they thought was a secret meeting to plan pre-emptive strikes on Israel.
The venue was chosen for its protection, a bunker deep underground. But, according to reports, the bunker was not deep enough, as an Israeli warhead penetrated the basement.
JustDave
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You're right. It was Iraq. I was sure it was Iran, but I just looked it up.
If you've ever read and/or believed the possibility of biblical histories then the Israelis and Iranians come from a stock of half brotherhood and they have been fighting ever since. I would biblically blame Abraham's wife who very probably put pressure on him to evict his first son to a non- Jewish woman. If you read the original biblical accounts Abraham does come over as a bit of a weakling?
The Jews and Arabs have been fighting every since and dragging the rest of the sometimes peaceful world into their furies! Strangely enough the bible histories also state that God had said these people [the Jews] are my chosen ones and will be so for eternity - so God does seem to be on their side? So that then leads to an exploration of Islam - I'll leave you all with that one??
The Jews and Arabs have been fighting every since and dragging the rest of the sometimes peaceful world into their furies! Strangely enough the bible histories also state that God had said these people [the Jews] are my chosen ones and will be so for eternity - so God does seem to be on their side? So that then leads to an exploration of Islam - I'll leave you all with that one??
Wow. I thought I was cynical and pessimistic, but I gotta recognize a true master of both qualities. Not sure that's a good thing.
Might I suggest watching National Geographic documentaries. Several species of animals kill their own kind and at a much higher rate than humans.
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In summary [according to biblical accounts] God created man and woman and gave them free will ; things went wrong early on with one brother killing another because of perceived favoritism? Abraham forced to banish his illegitimate son to the desert with illegitimate mother. Israeli armies surrounded circled cities and killing all who will not submit to their will. etc etc. Wars have endlessly continued since the first appearance of humans - there are a few going on right now?
It does seem to all have gone horrible wrong - this creation of humans in our likeness ? as the bible says? and yet a way out is offered - "stop all the fighting and follow the Christ through baptism and renewed self" sounds easy enough - haven't come across many of this kind fighting and killing?
but why where humans created with this potential inbuilt mechanism of fighting ; killing and greed? maybe we did originate from apes??
It does seem to all have gone horrible wrong - this creation of humans in our likeness ? as the bible says? and yet a way out is offered - "stop all the fighting and follow the Christ through baptism and renewed self" sounds easy enough - haven't come across many of this kind fighting and killing?
but why where humans created with this potential inbuilt mechanism of fighting ; killing and greed? maybe we did originate from apes??
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Defence Minister Israel Katz has chillingly warned 'Tehran will burn' if more missiles are fired at Israel, following a barrage of ballistic weapons fired by Iran on Friday night which have killed at least three people and left dozens injured.
Katz said: 'The Iranian dictator is turning the citizens of Iran into hostages and bringing about a reality in which they - especially the residents of Tehran - will pay a heavy price because of the criminal harm to Israeli civilians.
'If (Ayatollah Ali) Khamenei continues to fire missiles toward the Israeli home front - Tehran will
His defiant stance came as more than 150 ballistic missiles were fired against Israel, with some striking residential buildings and military sites, including the IDF headquarters.
The Iranian strikes on Israel came as 'painful revenge' for a series of IDF attacks on the heart of Iran’s nuclear program and its armed forces.
Social media video showed interceptor missiles blasting off before a flash, a boom and an explosion of a warhead incoming.
One missile that breached Israel's air defenses was seen hitting an area where several IDF facilities are located, including its main command center, their equivalent to the Pentagon.
The Israel Defence Forces had warned its attack on Tehran could last up to two weeks as Iranian military commanders and top officials were blown up in their headquarters and homes in a coordinated strike last night.
Operation Rising Lion targeted military sites in Iran as well as nuclear facilities in a devastating wave of air strikes - escalating fears the Middle East is on the brink of all-out war.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the sophisticated operation targeted an Iranian nuclear facility in Natanz as well as the country's ballistic missile program.
Iran vowed to enact 'painful revenge' after the strikes, with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warning Israel will face 'severe punishment'.
Washington distanced itself from the strikes and warned Iran not to attack US bases in the region in retaliation, while Tehran warned that the US would pay 'a heavy price' along with Israel.
Israel this morning after the Iranian strikes last night
Katz said: 'The Iranian dictator is turning the citizens of Iran into hostages and bringing about a reality in which they - especially the residents of Tehran - will pay a heavy price because of the criminal harm to Israeli civilians.
'If (Ayatollah Ali) Khamenei continues to fire missiles toward the Israeli home front - Tehran will
His defiant stance came as more than 150 ballistic missiles were fired against Israel, with some striking residential buildings and military sites, including the IDF headquarters.
The Iranian strikes on Israel came as 'painful revenge' for a series of IDF attacks on the heart of Iran’s nuclear program and its armed forces.
Social media video showed interceptor missiles blasting off before a flash, a boom and an explosion of a warhead incoming.
One missile that breached Israel's air defenses was seen hitting an area where several IDF facilities are located, including its main command center, their equivalent to the Pentagon.
The Israel Defence Forces had warned its attack on Tehran could last up to two weeks as Iranian military commanders and top officials were blown up in their headquarters and homes in a coordinated strike last night.
Operation Rising Lion targeted military sites in Iran as well as nuclear facilities in a devastating wave of air strikes - escalating fears the Middle East is on the brink of all-out war.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the sophisticated operation targeted an Iranian nuclear facility in Natanz as well as the country's ballistic missile program.
Iran vowed to enact 'painful revenge' after the strikes, with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warning Israel will face 'severe punishment'.
Washington distanced itself from the strikes and warned Iran not to attack US bases in the region in retaliation, while Tehran warned that the US would pay 'a heavy price' along with Israel.
Israel this morning after the Iranian strikes last night
Nathan
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Sad but indisputably true.
CallMeKate
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Yeah, reading that I truly felt nothing but sympathy/sorrow. I couldn't handle 24/7 negativity and 24/7 dwelling on thoughts of death.
Been There
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Israel has some of the best trained pilots in the world. They should be. The U.S. trained a lot of them. Their aircraft are very diverse, but mostly American made. They attempted to make a few of their own and have modified some others. They have the F-15’s and 16’s, but also the F-35, which is probably the King of their fleet. They are absolutely capable of doing a number on Iran.
If these 2 countries go at it, I would pretty much guess it will be an air effort. Boots on the ground would definitely give Israel an edge. The IRGC is a support group by Iran that they send to Yemen and Syria for field support.
Overall, head to head, I would think that Israel would have the edge.