Jesus, Son of God, or Just a Wish?

I've eaten mor bishops than hot dinners - did he ever publish a paper on his thesis or just expect us all to believe??
 

Those who wish to doubt will have opportunity

While those who really desire to know the truth
will find plenty of evidence in The Word on which to rest their faith.

Yes, we have the power of choice

If the atheists are right, the Christians lose nothing
Maybe some false joy...

But

If the Christians are right, the atheists lose..... everything

I so enjoy the prayerful study of His Word

It gives me a hope in this hopeless world

And a joy that I'll not soon let go
 

there's been too much guessing going on about the universe and God etc = we have highly acclaimed scientists today that haven't attempted to figure it out - relying on the mastery of the long gone ministers of religion is spurious - belief is sufficent we should be looking for setsquares and compasses and ancient scripts which are often dubious themselves?
 
Gary O' said:
Those who wish to doubt will have opportunity

While those who really desire to know the truth
will find plenty of evidence in The Word on which to rest their faith.

Yes, we have the power of choice

If the atheists are right, the Christians lose nothing
Maybe some false joy...

But

If the Christians are right, the atheists lose..... everything

I so enjoy the prayerful study of His Word

It gives me a hope in this hopeless world

And a joy that I'll not soon let go
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I admire your joyful certainty, Gary! Good for you and I mean it. I consider myself a Christian but am torn by doubt quite often! Wish it weren't so! :(
 
Gary O' said:
Those who wish to doubt will have opportunity

While those who really desire to know the truth
will find plenty of evidence in The Word on which to rest their faith.

Yes, we have the power of choice

If the atheists are right, the Christians lose nothing
Maybe some false joy...

But

If the Christians are right, the atheists lose..... everything

I so enjoy the prayerful study of His Word

It gives me a hope in this hopeless world

And a joy that I'll not soon let go
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the athesists lose nothing too - they simple become converted christians and we have a good chuckle about it - they will never be lost
 
In the book by donald neale walsch who wrote several religious tomes - first one was conversations with God - in which he claimed he did have such conversation - one phrase sticks out " even hitler went to heaven" - I read that about 20 years ago!
 
davey said:
In the book by donald neale walsch who wrote several religious tomes - first one was conversations with God - in which he claimed he did have such conversation - one phrase sticks out " even hitler went to heaven" - I read that about 20 years ago!
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After a couple of thousand years in darkness, maybe.
 
I don't see a universal salvation! God's there, arms outstretched (virtually), warmly welcoming murderers, rapists, warmongers, haters. "You've been a bit naughty, but we all make mistakes, so go on in, have some manna, it's really good! See Hitler over there? He's really happy with his Aryan Brotherhood buddies! Hope you will enjoy Heaven!

No way! There has to be Judgment of some sort! And punishment! Maybe not eternal but to pay off the debt they owe to their victims.
 
Old Salt said:
I don't see a universal salvation! God's there, arms outstretched (virtually), warmly welcoming murderers, rapists, warmongers, haters. "You've been a bit naughty, but we all make mistakes, so go on in, have some manna, it's really good! See Hitler over there? He's really happy with his Aryan Brotherhood buddies! Hope you will enjoy Heaven!

No way! There has to be Judgment of some sort! And punishment! Maybe not eternal but to pay off the debt they owe to their victims.
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Evil people do not go to heaven unless they repented and God decides whether they really have.
We all stand before God when we die.
 
davey said:
there are some that think that this globe and our existances on it are mere fragments of the sciences - microbial beings that crawled out of the sea or swamps : so its either Darwinism or Godism - even Darwin said that people had misrepresented his thoughts on "origin of the species" Darwin was a man of God not of microbes
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Many great scientists were and are Christians.
 
davey said:
In the book by donald neale walsch who wrote several religious tomes - first one was conversations with God - in which he claimed he did have such conversation - one phrase sticks out " even hitler went to heaven"
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That's simply not Biblical

There is no 'eternal hell'
Nothing in The Bible supports that
There's just eternal death.....separation
Sleep...worm food.
Everlasting hell fire? Yes
You ain't comin' back

Ecclesiastes9:5
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing

There's tons of texts supporting that, but outside is calling me right now
 
Sassycakes said:
I was born and raised in the Catholic religion and I firmly believe in God.
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Most people's gods are the gods of their geographic location, especially the gods their parents taught them. I was born in a family with mostly strong fundamentalist views (Baptist), although my mother was a Lutheran. Lutherans can be all over the map, but my mother had a somewhat measured response to religious doctrine. She encouraged me to believe, but probably without really knowing it, she encouraged me to think, probably assuming I would naturally believe. It didn't work out that way. I'm the only atheist/agnostic in my family. However, I did struggle to believe in a god for many years well into my 50s. My sister converted to Catholicism, because she married a Catholic, and denominational affiliation just isn't that important to her.

As per the thread title, whether Jesus is the son of God or not, I focused my quest on finding God. Without a God, Jesus becomes irrelevant.
 
Mr. Ed said:
Perhaps Jesus and god are ok, however, it is instution, preachers, clergyman, and the church that offends people?
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Actually, in my years long quest to define a god that made sense, I concocted one that no one could ever understand or be able to identify as the source of anyone's personal good or evil. He did not enter into the lives of humans, or do anything that would allow humans to test his presence. Basically, he stayed out of the way. I did make allowances that he could watch us for reasons beyond anyone's understanding. I don't know why I allowed him that one trait. I also decided he was not impressed with any religion where petty humans preached his secret plan for humanity.

The problem was that I had no more evidence for that god than my friends and acquitances had for theirs.
 
There is no evidence, none that can be cloned from one person another. As far as assurance of god/Jesus you are on your on. Who can deny either one based on another person’s testimony?
I have not seen the supernatural and that is what faith based religions are asking you to believe in.
People are drawn to the mysteries of the universe even though they cannot be proven.

I am amazed about the location and popularity, history of Christianity,
 
Religions are man made, meaning they are not permanent fixtures of society. I grew up in a baptist family/church environment, it was all I knew of the world until high school when I ventured beyond outside of the pearly gates did I realize there was more to life than parental restrictions.
Fear used to be a contributing factor used by religious institutions for massive conformity however, preaching fear and damnation does not have the same effect in today’s society.
An interesting study would be to determined changes that occur in people’s likes and dislikes, no interest.
 
Old Salt said:
I don't see a universal salvation! God's there, arms outstretched (virtually), warmly welcoming murderers, rapists, warmongers, haters. "You've been a bit naughty, but we all make mistakes, so go on in, have some manna, it's really good! See Hitler over there? He's really happy with his Aryan Brotherhood buddies! Hope you will enjoy Heaven!

No way! There has to be Judgment of some sort! And punishment! Maybe not eternal but to pay off the debt they owe to their victims.
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when ya get up there you'll be directed to the "retribution group" for further training and relaxation therapies!!
 
Gary O' said:
That's simply not Biblical

There is no 'eternal hell'
Nothing in The Bible supports that
There's just eternal death.....separation
Sleep...worm food.
Everlasting hell fire? Yes
You ain't comin' back

Ecclesiastes9:5
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing

There's tons of texts supporting that, but outside is calling me right now
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Walsch never claimed it was biblical - his books were called "conversations with God" - that was for him the real thing then he wrote them down in non-biblical more easily readible language?
 
davey said:
Walsch never claimed it was biblical - his books were called "conversations with God" - that was for him the real thing then he wrote them down in non-biblical more easily readible language?
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If they conflict with the plain teachings of The Word, there is no truth in them
 

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