Jihadi Attacks...Who is Next?

Don M. said:
For Sure...I am not aware of any Muslim Cleric, or Islamic leader coming out and publicly condemning these attacks. The "Good" Muslims....if such really exists....are giving tacit approval to these Jihadists with their Silence. If a society doesn't discipline or condemn the idiots in its midst, that society can only blame itself when it falls apart.
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Of course good Muslims exist, here are some that are publicly speaking out. More here.


US Muslim Groups Stand Together To Denounce The Paris Terrorist Attacks

A coalition of eight leading U.S. Muslim organizations held a Saturday press conference in Washington D.C. to denounce the horrific Paris terrorist attacks that killed over 120 people. The U.S. Council of Muslim Organizations (USCMO) released a press statement on Saturday condemning the acts of terror. The statement read:

"The US Council of Muslim Organizations (USCMO), a coalition of leading national and local Muslim organizations, strongly condemns the abhorrent terror attacks that took place yesterday in Paris and left over 150 innocent people dead and scores injured. USCMO stands consistent with its position against all forms of violence against innocent people anywhere in Turkey, Beirut, Syria, Paris, and on our soil irrespective of the perpetrators, targets, or reasons. These repugnant acts of violence defy the sanctity of every innocent human live and shall always be condemned and rejected.

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The US Council of Muslim Organizations sends its heartfelt condolences to the families of the victims and to the people of France and stands in solidarity with them against terrorism and violent extremism. We ask the American Muslim community around the nation to hold candle light vigils in memory of the victims and in support of their families."


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The USCMO coalition includes representatives from eight different Islamic organizations–the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), American Muslims for Palestine, Islamic Circle of North America, Muslim Alliance in North America, Muslim American Society, Muslim Legal Fund of America, Muslim Ummah of North America, and the Mosque Cares.

CAIR, the largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy group in the nation, also released a separate statement, saying:

These savage and despicable attacks on civilians, whether they occur in Paris, Beirut or any other city, are outrageous and without justification. We condemn these horrific crimes in the strongest terms possible. The perpetrators of these heinous attacks must be apprehended and brought to justice.


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Many Muslim leaders in the United States are speaking out and standing with the people of Paris in these tumultuous times. Their voices may go unnoticed amidst the chaos, but they are speaking out against the terrorists who are committing crimes against humanity, and perverting the teachings of Islam to justify their murderous acts.

 

SeaBreeze said:
Of course good Muslims exist, here are some that are publicly speaking out. More here.


US Muslim Groups Stand Together To Denounce The Paris Terrorist Attacks

A coalition of eight leading U.S. Muslim organizations held a Saturday press conference in Washington D.C. to denounce the horrific Paris terrorist attacks that killed over 120 people. The U.S. Council of Muslim Organizations (USCMO) released a press statement on Saturday condemning the acts of terror. The statement read:

"The US Council of Muslim Organizations (USCMO), a coalition of leading national and local Muslim organizations, strongly condemns the abhorrent terror attacks that took place yesterday in Paris and left over 150 innocent people dead and scores injured. USCMO stands consistent with its position against all forms of violence against innocent people anywhere in Turkey, Beirut, Syria, Paris, and on our soil irrespective of the perpetrators, targets, or reasons. These repugnant acts of violence defy the sanctity of every innocent human live and shall always be condemned and rejected.

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The US Council of Muslim Organizations sends its heartfelt condolences to the families of the victims and to the people of France and stands in solidarity with them against terrorism and violent extremism. We ask the American Muslim community around the nation to hold candle light vigils in memory of the victims and in support of their families."


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The USCMO coalition includes representatives from eight different Islamic organizations–the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), American Muslims for Palestine, Islamic Circle of North America, Muslim Alliance in North America, Muslim American Society, Muslim Legal Fund of America, Muslim Ummah of North America, and the Mosque Cares.

CAIR, the largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy group in the nation, also released a separate statement, saying:

These savage and despicable attacks on civilians, whether they occur in Paris, Beirut or any other city, are outrageous and without justification. We condemn these horrific crimes in the strongest terms possible. The perpetrators of these heinous attacks must be apprehended and brought to justice.


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Many Muslim leaders in the United States are speaking out and standing with the people of Paris in these tumultuous times. Their voices may go unnoticed amidst the chaos, but they are speaking out against the terrorists who are committing crimes against humanity, and perverting the teachings of Islam to justify their murderous acts.
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Could we blame our news casters for not making these items more obvious.
 

QuickSilver said:
Apparently you don't read through these threads... Outrage WAS expressed by all of the ME leaders.. incuding Iran. There is a massive outcry on social media by average Muslims called "Not in MY Name".. where have your been?
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Oh, I'm sure that there have been some "statements" from Muslim leaders, but I haven't seen anything on the major news outlets...Network or Cable...where these "leaders" have come out against these acts. And....most days I don't have hours to pour through Every Post on these Internet forums, and I Certainly don't waste my time on social media...fortunately, I still have a life, and gobs of things to do nearly every day. It is only because its really rainy today, that I am spending more than 15 minutes here.

Making a "Statement" is one thing....actually doing something about it is quite another. If these "leaders" were really serious about improving their societies image, they would be rounding up the misfits in their midst, and prosecuting them.
 
BobF said:
Could we blame our news casters for not making these items more obvious.
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I think we could, many of them sell fear to the public for ratings and political gain, so voluntarily announcing these things on news reports would not suit their agenda, IMO.
 
There is a lot of defiant talking from leaders. The first test of courage is a determination to still hold all of the international events planned for this month. I am sure that there will be a lot of informal talking going on behind the scenes. One thing that must not happen is a demonising of the Muslim communities already living among us.

What we decide to do militarily should be very carefully considered to avoid making the same mistakes we have made in the past. To wage a successful war it is necessary to have a good idea of what the objectives are, to really know the enemy and their weaknesses and strengths and to plan for the time when the war is over, to rebuild and support the war zone else a new enemy arise in the vacuum that is created. We must not create another post Hussein Iraq or a post Gaddafi Libya.

Here are a couple examples of leaders talking tough. I don't believe that they really know what should come next

We will destroy this organisation’

French president Francois Hollande has issued a rallying cry for a war against Islamic State to eradict terrorism.
Addressing the Congrès des Parliamentaires — a meeting of both houses of parliament, Mr Hollande called for ‘’more strikes, more support, there needs a coming together of those who can really combat this terrorist army’’.

He committed France to further intensive strikes against Islamic State in Syria following on from yesterday’s series of bombing raids on the Islamic State stronghold of Raqqa.

Mr Hollande said: “We will pursue air strikes in the weeks to come. Our enemy in Syria is Islamic State: it’s not about containing but destroying this organisation.”

Mr Hollande has also extended the state of emergency for three months, giving police greater search and detention powers. He also insisted that the European Union had to secure its borders otherwise the Union would be finished.

“If Europe does not control its external borders, then it’s back to national borders. This would be the dismantling of the European Union,” he said.

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Flowers, candles and French flag are seen outside Le Carillon cafe. Credit: AFP


‘Australia will step up’

Australia’s senior politician in Paris, the resources minister Josh Frydenberg, has indicated Australia will step up to the rallying call by Mr Hollande for a war against Islamic State to eradict terrorism. Mr Frydenberg, who arrived in Paris for an energy conference, laid a wreath of flowers near the Bataclan concert hall with the Australian ambassador to France, Stephen Brady.

Standing in front of one of the spontaneous memorials that have sprung up in central Paris, Mr Frydenberg was asked about Australia’s response to Mr Hollande’s forceful speech.

“Well Australia stands by France because we understand there needs to be a response to this type of activity,” Mr Frydenberg said. “As President Hollande has said France will be merciless in its response. Australia has taken its own actions in its own country to try and protect Australian citizens against such attacks but for the grace of God this could happen in Australia.

“We need to do everything domestically and internationally with our allies and with our friends to try to deal with this Islamic extremism, this terrorist ideology that cannot be allowed to continue."

Mr Frydenberg said Australia would still attend all activities in France, such as the Paris Climate Change conference and planned visits by Mr Turnbull and Ms Bishop as well as this week’s International Energy Agency conference.’

“We as Australians will show solidarity here,” he insisted, despite the thousands of soldiers on the streets of Paris and a manhunt for the eighth missing terrorist attacker.
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France has acknowledged that they have raided several homes of known Jihadi 'groups' who preach infidel hatred. I would suggest that other countries who know of these groups,do the same. Forget about PCness and free speech at a time like this.
 
hollydolly said:
Today they have allegedly issued a threat saying that Washington is Next... :mad:

ISIS has issued a chilling new video warning that countries taking part in air strikes against Syria would suffer the same fate as Paris and claimed they will attack Washington D.C. next.
The specific threat against the US capital emerged as CIA director John Brennan warned that more atrocities will be committed against the West by the Islamist terror group.
In the film an armed fighter addresses the camera to say in Arabic: 'We say to the states that take part in the crusader campaign that, by God, you will have a day God willing, like France's and by God, as we struck France in the centre of its abode in Paris, then we swear that we will strike America at its centre in Washington.
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Yup, I just saw that on CNN's 6 o'clock news. It gave me the creeps. Though it figures the U.S. would be next. Time to blow ISIS of the map asap before they kill any more civilians in any country. These people will never stop. And you can't negotiate with a terrorist. So what else is left but war?
 
chic said:
Yup, I just saw that on CNN's 6 o'clock news. It gave me the creeps. Though it figures the U.S. would be next. Time to blow ISIS of the map asap before they kill any more civilians in any country. These people will never stop. And you can't negotiate with a terrorist. So what else is left but war?
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Blow them off WHAT map?? They are not in one place... they are everywhere... They are already in every country.. How do you find them and kill them?
 
[h=1]All Paris Attackers Identified So Far Are European Nationals, According To Top EU Official.[/h]All of the attackers from Friday’s massacre in Paris so far have been identified as European Union nationals, according to a top EU official. The announcement further casts doubt on the validity of a Syrian passport found near the bodies of a slain attacker.
“Let me underline, the profile of the terrorists so far identified tells us this is an internal threat,” Federica Mogherini, the High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy/Vice-President of the European Commission, said after a meeting with EU foreign ministers. “It is all EU citizens so far. This can change with the hours, but so far it is quite clear it is an issue of internal domestic security.”

The majority of attackers were identified as French or Belgian nationals. An Egyptian passport was also found, but the Egyptian Ambassador to France said it belonged to a critically wounded victim and not a perpetrator. The Syrian passport caused a ruckus, with some politicians in Europe and the U.S. calling for a halt to Syrian refugee resettlement. An increasing number of state governors are trying to defund the settlement program. American officials told CBS News that the passport might be fake, while British-daily the Independent reported that a man was arrested in Serbia while carrying a Syrian passport with matching details to the one found in Paris.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015...opean-nationals-according-to-top-eu-official/
 
You know you can't freak out about it...who expected Boston and how could we have prevented that? Any "soft targets" are in danger. I breathe a sigh of relief if they get through New Year's in Time Square every year.
 
QuickSilver said:
what difference does THAT make.. The fact that people would have had to

1. Instantly assess what was happening, when even the band member didn't know and kept right on playing after the 1st shots.

2. Get their weapon OUT of wherever it was concealed

3. Figure out who the shooter was and WHERE he was in a dark room with people running and screaming

4. Take aim at and actually HIT the bad guy.. while other good guys were shooting... and not hit innocent people running for their lives.

The whole idea is laughable.. It was not a Hollywood movie in Paris that night.
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This is a bit lengthy, but worth watching as it supports your contention.
 
So as I said.. imagine a dark room people busy watching a band... and gun shots.. The people in the video knew exactly what was happening, but people in that Paris music venue didn't... Armed people would have been useless...
 
QuickSilver said:
So as I said.. imagine a dark room people busy watching a band... and gun shots.. The people in the video knew exactly what was happening, but people in that Paris music venue didn't... Armed people would have been useless...
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While this video will never change a true "concealed carry" advocate, it was a fascinating experiment. I thought it was interesting that despite the training they had received, the surprise element completely undid all they had learned. I agree with you that had someone in the concert hall had a gun, they would have been dead as soon as they tried to take a shot.
 
Don M. said:
In this type of "warfare", conventional tactics are of little value...rather, Information is the most valuable "weapon". No one really likes to have their private information known, but in this age, we Must be willing to allow the government access to virtually everything, if we are ever going to win this struggle. After all, it would seem to me that Only Those with Something illegal to Hide, would benefit from "secrecy". There seems to be a great deal of desire to keep medical records hidden, but I don't understand why. Who cares if I had a dental crown, or got new glasses this past Summer? Anything that helps identify a potential Jihadist is OK in my book.
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That's just as reactionary as those who want an all out conventional war. And has already proven not to work in many instances including France and Europe who suffered 3 attacks this year alone. There are also reports that various countries and agencies had some of these coward terrorists on a list of some kind which means they already had intelligence which was ignored or improperly handled. One has to remember what they are defending.

Perhaps increased profiling based on existing information on higher probability 'suspects' including groups for intelligence gathering, not detainment or expulsion.
 
I'm afraid this is a different world.. we are all going to have to accept the fact that our personal privacy may well be sacrificed for keeping us safe.. bitter pill for some, but what is the alternative?
 
QuickSilver said:
I'm afraid this is a different world.. we are all going to have to accept the fact that our personal privacy may well be sacrificed for keeping us safe.. bitter pill for some, but what is the alternative?
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It's not a bitter pill that has to be swallowed because wether one dies by terrorist or criminal the threat or potential for murder/death will always be there. There are people living and working in neighborhoods where everyday they are sized up & tested by street thugs, gang bangers and/or common criminal psychopaths. A threat will always be there. More effort needs to go into training and education on surviving on the street when confronted with a shooter, murderer, criminal psycho. Terrorism is basically a motivation even though frequently used as a 'tool'. It could be weapons or duck n cover type training but individuals need to be made capable for their own survival regardless of the label put on the threat.

That doesn't mean intelligence gathering should be ignored either, if more serious threats are aggressively pursued with existing intelligence and methods that could send a message and/or break up the continuity of these cowards efforts.
 
WhatInThe said:
It's not a bitter pill that has to be swallowed because wether one dies by terrorist or criminal the threat or potential for murder/death will always be there. There are people living and working in neighborhoods where everyday they are sized up & tested by street thugs, gang bangers and/or common criminal psychopaths. A threat will always be there. More effort needs to go into training and education on surviving on the street when confronted with a shooter, murderer, criminal psycho. Terrorism is basically a motivation even though frequently used as a 'tool'. It could be weapons or duck n cover type training but individuals need to be made capable for their own survival regardless of the label put on the threat.
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So what you are advocating is that every US citizen be trained to use and carry a gun?
 
QuickSilver said:
So what you are advocating is that every US citizen be trained to use and carry a gun?
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Wouldn't hurt. If nothing else it would help people understand the threat better. A perfect example of trained yet unarmed civilians were the Americans who jumped the France train attacker because being familiar with automatic weapons they recognized the shooter had a stoppage/jam with his weapon and there would be time to confront him knowing clearing a stoppage can take time or confound an incompetent shooter. Trained military also understands things like cover, concealment or knowing that things like crawling or rolling could be used as a tool in a tactical situation.
 
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