Kansas man died of COVID-19 ‘lonelier than necessary.’ His obituary slams anti-maskers

win231 said:
What is the mask requirement in your area? Unless masks are required when shopping (like they are where I am,) your anger is misdirected.
And you are wise to think before you act - unlike this elderly fool who ended up with a fractured leg:
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Masks are absolutely required! My anger is legitimate. My sense of self preservation advises me not to pick a fight with a guy that is 30 years younger, and outweighs me by 40 lb.s.
 

MarciKS said:
Do you know why it's not "required?" Because people are having sh*t fits and getting violent because they can't bear to wear a little mask for a little while to help keep from killing everyone. They don't stop to think about the staff in hospitals that are being overwhelmed by all of this stuff....all of it. They seem to not give a crap that because of their unmitigated gall to not wear a mask that when they get this crap they're taking up a bed that someone needs who actually tried to do the right thing. It's not required because people are babies.
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So, masks are not required in North Central Kansas? If I lived there & wanted everyone to wear masks, I'd write to the Governor in that state or the mayor or whoever is in charge. I wouldn't start fights with people who aren't obeying a law that doesn't exist.
 
Nathan said:
Masks are absolutely required! My anger is legitimate. My sense of self preservation advises me not to pick a fight with a guy that is 30 years younger, and outweighs me by 40 lb.s.
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If masks are required where you are & someone is not wearing one & you are concerned, you should notify store personnel. As you noted, playing cop is how people get hurt. Sometimes killed.
BTY, I don't pick fights with anyone, regardless of their age, size or strength. I only fight if someone else doesn't let me walk away. That's pretty rare. Most of the time, a fight requires TWO macho fools; not one.
 

win231 said:
I've never had anyone cough in my face while standing close to me. But if they did, ya know......that's what legs are for.......I'd just walk away from them. If I was concerned about them giving me a disease, the LAST thing I'd do is get closer to them by arguing with them. That mindset reminds me of people who get cut off while driving, so instead of getting far away from them, they catch up to them & start a road rage incident.
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So what do you DO when it happens? Is it okay until it happens?
 
So infect me and my family because you don't want to wear a mask, I don't think so.

Why is it soooo freaking hard to get it through to knuckle heads that think it's wrong to wear a mask?

Give me three reasons why not to wear a mask during these times, just three - I'll accept even one if it's not health related.

[still enjoying the conversation, as you are, I hope.]
 
Gardenlover said:
So what do you DO when it happens? Is it okay until it happens?
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Until what happens? Someone coughing in my face? I've never had that happen in 68 years. If it did, I'd just increase my distance from them. Maybe they're mentally retarded or have some sort of other mental issue.
What would you do?
 
Come now, let us reason together. Nice little strawman you "attempted" to put in place. I'm sorry , but it simply falls apart.

Do you turn the other cheek no matter what happens? At what point would you take a stand against those who violate you?
 
MarciKS said:
So it's not ok to mask shame those who don't wear their masks but it's ok to accuse maskers of fear mongering and calling them sheep? I think not. People need to just suck it up and grow up and wear their masks so we can get over this crap. JMO
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Maybe I read it wrong, but I thought she meant she was tired of all the fuss about it both ways with mask shaming and mask fear mongering as opposing views.

Help us out. @CarolfromTX
 
win231 said:
If masks are required where you are & someone is not wearing one & you are concerned, you should notify store personnel. As you noted, playing cop is how people get hurt. Sometimes killed.
BTY, I don't pick fights with anyone, regardless of their age, size or strength. I only fight if someone else doesn't let me walk away. That's pretty rare. Most of the time, a fight requires TWO macho fools; not one.
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Yep, so true...just mentioning the way I feel.
 
win231 said:
So do I when I'm required to. So should everybody - where it's required.
The problem I have is when people think they can order other people around where it's NOT required.
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"Let me be clear. I wear a mask. But I am sick to death of mask shaming and mask fear mongering."

Agree with both here.
 
Let's step back for a second and see if we can put this in perspective.

If a person is a dedicated nudist and considers clothing an infringement of his personal liberty, is it a violation of his basic rights to insist that he wear clothing when he goes out in public? How does he come across when he keeps whining about "clothes shaming and clothes fear mongering?" Dammit, it's his body and he can do what he likes with it, and if you don't like it, write to the governor or walk away or something.

Now, let's say that there is a brutal killer of an illness going around, which is obviously spread by nudity. Wearing clothes protects the wearer, and everybody else. Is the store justified in throwing the naked guy out?
 
Lets be open & honest here.....

The mask [the wearing of it] has become a left-v-right thing. We here hide behind the medical issue , because we are not permitted to discuss politics on this forum .

I vote for either we drop the pretense and just open political discussion , or we just drop the subject [of the mask] altogether.

Either 'side' is not going to convince the other anyway, and insulting back & forth serves no purpose.

I'll just say, do what works for you, I'll do the same, and i wish the best for all.
 
rgp said:
Lets be open & honest here.....

The mask [the wearing of it] has become a left-v-right thing. We here hide behind the medical issue , because we are not permitted to discuss politics on this forum .

I vote for either we drop the pretense and just open political discussion , or we just drop the subject [of the mask] altogether.

Either 'side' is not going to convince the other anyway, and insulting back & forth serves no purpose.

I'll just say, do what works for you, I'll do the same, and i wish the best for all.
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Maybe for a few ridiculous, very sad people who see life through the lens of polarized ideology and fall for the media's encouragement of this. In real life people I know of 'both'* ideologies who are for or against masks.

* 'both' ...what a flippin' miserable way to live life by taking 'sides' and drinking the koolaid whether it's Blue Raspberry Lemonade or Rock-A-Dial Red.
 
Sunny said:
Let's step back for a second and see if we can put this in perspective.

If a person is a dedicated nudist and considers clothing an infringement of his personal liberty, is it a violation of his basic rights to insist that he wear clothing when he goes out in public? How does he come across when he keeps whining about "clothes shaming and clothes fear mongering?" Dammit, it's his body and he can do what he likes with it, and if you don't like it, write to the governor or walk away or something.

Now, let's say that there is a brutal killer of an illness going around, which is obviously spread by nudity. Wearing clothes protects the wearer, and everybody else. Is the store justified in throwing the naked guy out?
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I hope you can find a better example than that.
You actually proved my point. Public nudity is illegal. Facial nudity (without a mask) is not illegal everywhere. So no one has the right to confront anyone about not wearing a mask where it is not required by law. Personal opinion about a mask's effectiveness is irrelevant.
 
rgp said:
Lets be open & honest here.....

The mask [the wearing of it] has become a left-v-right thing. We here hide behind the medical issue , because we are not permitted to discuss politics on this forum .

I vote for either we drop the pretense and just open political discussion , or we just drop the subject [of the mask] altogether.
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Without a doubt the refusal to wear the mask(or to wear it properly) has become a political statement, while the rest of us just want people to behave responsibly when in public.
 
What about the old, "No shirt, no shoes, no service."

It's your face, but my business. Don't wear a mask, I refuse to do business with you. Who's rights trump who?
 
Gardenlover said:
What about the old, "No shirt, no shoes, no service."

It's your face, but my business. Don't wear a mask, I refuse to do business with you. Who's rights trump who?
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I don't have a problem with that. Business owners have that right. So do homeowners. But other shoppers who don't own the business do not have that right.
 
Bottom line: Wearing a mask in public is a public health issue, no matter how some folks may want to distort it .
Governors, mayors and now the President-elect can direct the public's compliance, which means "you gotta do it"...for the common good.
Of course, there is a certain segment of society that gladly take from society what they can, but don't want to contribute.
 
win231 said:
So do I when I'm required to. So should everybody - where it's required.
The problem I have is when people think they can order other people around where it's NOT required.
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But mask wearing is required in other to protect yourself and others from the virus. Why does the government need to tell you what’s required? Do we need to pass a law to tell people when to eat and when to take a dump? Nope. Those things are required in order to stay alive.

So are masks. We, members of the human race, during a world wide pandemic, require human beings to wear a mask. My son got his results today. He has COVID-19. He had open heart surgery last year and barely survived the surgery. Now he has Covid-19. Why? How?

He took his mask off to eat at a restaurant that “didn’t have many people in it”. 😭. It only takes one person to infect many. 😠. I am so very sad.
 
win231 said:
So, masks are not required in North Central Kansas? If I lived there & wanted everyone to wear masks, I'd write to the Governor in that state or the mayor or whoever is in charge. I wouldn't start fights with people who aren't obeying a law that doesn't exist.
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And this is why I don’t own firearms, I have an extremely short fuse and am too old and fat to fight. If my son dies of Covid-19, I will have to stay home for a while, a long while, as I will confront any non mask wearer I see, and I won’t be nice about it.
 
While there might not be any laws mandating masks, we can publicly shame people who won't wear them, just like we can publicly shame racists. Of course, some people have no shame, so it's effectiveness is limited.

In a related story, Rudy Giuliani tested positive for covid-19.
 
Nathan said:
Sad, so many self-entitled jackasses out there. I saw one in the supermarket this morning, I felt like punching him, but I am pushing 70 and he is probably 6'2" and 220 / 40yr. old, so it probably wouldn't have gone well for me.
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Same with me, today, Nathan. Person had a mask on face, but had it pulled down under her chin. Why even put it on??

@Irwin, I just heard about Rudy. One of the denyers
 
rgp said:
So, I guess many of you do wish to continue to argue POLITICS while hiding behind the mask issue/excuse?
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What are you talking about? It has nothing to do with politics and who are you talking to, if it’s me, well, I am constrained in my answer by forum rules.
 
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